Re: Some newbie questions . . .

by rwo power Tue Jun 24, 2014 5:17 pm

BartFargo wrote:If the goalie receives a pass from a teammate and starts to field it with his feet, can he pick the ball up, as long as he is in the penalty box?

Yes and no. Yes, if the ball arrives in a way that he would have been allowed to take the ball with the hand anyway, then he is allowed to take the ball into his hand after he received it, for example with the foot. This must be the same game situation, though.

It gets a bit tricky in the case that he already controlled the ball with his hand, and then drops it to dribble with it. In that case he is not allowed to take it up with the hand anymore as it is a new game situation.

BartFargo wrote: Can a goalie, who is outside the penalty box, kick the ball into the penalty box and then pick the ball up?

I'm not 100% sure, but I would say no as the ball would have been shot into the penalty area as a controlled pass, which would prohibit the goalie to take up the ball with his hands.

Okay, I hope I made some sense trying to explain it in English. ^^

by BartFargo Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:24 pm

rwo power wrote:
Okay, I hope I made some sense trying to explain it in English. ^^

You did fine. Your English is better than mine. Thanks.

by beatrixasdfghjk. Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:02 pm

An indirect free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a goalkeeper, inside his
own penalty area, commits any of the following four offences:
• controls the ball with his hands for more than six seconds before releasing
it from his possession
• touches the ball again with his hands after he has released it from his
possession and before it has touched another player
• touches the ball with his hands after it has been deliberately kicked to him
by a team-mate
• touches the ball with his hands after he has received it directly from a
throw-in taken by a team-mate

Searched it up, looks like he would be allowed to handle it seeing as he's not his own teammate (assuming he got the ball from a clearance or header, etc).

by free_cat Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:30 am

cyberman wrote:if the linesman is in line, all he has to do is dart his eyes ffs.
split second
its not as if hes off catching the ball

Split second, when a defender is pushing and an attacker is running forward, can mean a meter. For the linesman it seems like a clear offside but it wasn't. You can see how every game has a couple of wrongly called offsides.

by guest_07 Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:15 am

BartFargo wrote:Is it bad strategy for an attacker to kick directly into goal from a corner kick? I don't see this tried very often. Is this too difficult for most players? Or is it too difficult for all players?

only the special one can done it more than once:

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by BartFargo Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:52 pm

It looks like the World Cup host nation does not have to play in the qualification matches due to automatic qualification. Is this a good thing for the team? Does a team like Brazil (this World Cup) play a lot of international games anyhow? Just to build/select the team? I thought that maybe the host nation team would have to play in qualification match games anyhow.

by rwo power Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:08 pm

It is actually a bad thing as they don't earn many points for the FIFA ranking and thus drop down the list. They do play friendlies in the time the others play their qualifiers, but the worth of a friendly is lower than that of a competitive match as many players don't really take these seriously.

by BartFargo Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:50 am

rwo power wrote:It is actually a bad thing as they don't earn many points for the FIFA ranking and thus drop down the list. They do play friendlies in the time the others play their qualifiers, but the worth of a friendly is lower than that of a competitive match as many players don't really take these seriously.

Thanks.

Does a nation have to play with the same players that played during the two years of qualifications? Or can the final selected team be completely different? (I know that wouldn't be the smartest thing to do but are there rules pertaining to this?)

by rwo power Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:12 am

THe nations can choose whatever players they want. Remember the Germany team that visited the US in 2013 and that lost 3:4 against the US team? Due to the fact that Bayern and Dortmund were playing in the CL final and the Real players were busy in Spain, none of the Real, Bayern and Dortmund players went along and Jogi Löw's selection only had one or two of the players that are now at the World Cup. BTW, the deadline for naming the 23 players to go to the World Cup was 2 June 2014 this World Cup. (The extended roster of 30 was due somewhen mid May, IIRC)

by BartFargo Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:27 am

Once again, thank you for the patience to answer these noob Qs. Thumbs up

by rwo power Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:31 am

Glad to be of service Very Happy

by BartFargo Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:09 am

If a ball is kicked way up into the audience, can a spectator keep the ball? If not allowed, do spectators sometimes try?

by RedOranje Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:19 am

BartFargo wrote:If a ball is kicked way up into the audience, can a spectator keep the ball? If not allowed, do spectators sometimes try?

It's general practice to throw the ball back rather than to keep it. I can't ever recall seeing an instance of someone attempting to keep it and leave with it in tow.

by BartFargo Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:35 am

Thanks.

During a stoppage, can the coach converse with a player on the field (if the coach stays on his side of the touch line), possibly sending in instructions?

by futbol Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:46 am

BartFargo wrote:Thanks.

During a stoppage, can the coach converse with a player on the field (if the coach stays on his side of the touch line), possibly sending in instructions?

Coaches can (and do) converse with players all the time. If you pay attention you will see them screaming instructions or pointing with fingers and stuff. Obviously during the flow of the game he can't tell his player to leave his position, come to him and listen to his instructions from up close. It's theoretically possible but would put his team into a disadvantage with only 10 men playing. During stoppages that can happen however. Here is an example:

by BartFargo Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:15 am

Thanks!

by rwo power Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:46 am

I have even seen a coach giving a player a piece of paper with instructions that this player then passed on to another player on the other side of the pitch. (I'm not 100% sure about the rules concerning dropping that slip of paper onto the pitch later. ^^)

by BartFargo Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:26 am

Thank you.

The reason I asked is a discussion amongst the ESPN soccer crew about the new water breaks (if warranted by temp) at 30 mins into each half. One or two were complaining that it gave the coach a chance to talk to his entire team. One or two were also complaining how these breaks (timeouts) would ruin the game.

by rwo power Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:30 am

I think it would ruin the game more if the players would drop like flies from dehydration.

by BartFargo Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:37 am

rwo power wrote:I think it would ruin the game more if the players would drop like flies from dehydration.

I hear ya. I found this info, which is interesting to a newbie like me:

Football (or soccer) is the clear winner in terms of average distance covered during a match. The value shown above is the distance covered by the average midfielder. However, it is not uncommon for central midfielders to run over 13km in a game. Indeed one midfielder, of Otelul Galati averaged over 13km/game over the course of last seasons Champions league. This is due to the fact that central midfielders are fully involved in both the attacking and defensive efforts of the team. Strikers run less average distance than central midfielders, averaging closer to 9/10km per game, but run a much higher proportion of this at what is considered sprinting (> 21km) and high intensity (14km - 21km/hour) pace. Defenders can be expected to run a similar distance to strikers averaging around 9/10km. Goalkeepers interestingly can run up to 5km in a 90 match, which given the fact they very rarely move out of their box and merely spectate for a high proportion of every match may seem a surprising stat.

http://tribesports.com/blog/the-average-distance-run-in-different-sports

by RedOranje Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:50 am

Michael Bradley has been averaging about 13km/match in the WC so far. He covered a greater distance than any other player during the group stages (will try to find the exact figure in a bit).

by BartFargo Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:01 pm

Is there any significance to the jersey numbering in soccer? I don't know if it is still this way but in American football, 50s are guards, 60s are tackles, 80s are ends, 20s-30s-40s are usually backs, QB has low number.

ETA: Never mind. I found several links like this one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squad_number_%28association_football%29

by rwo power Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:17 pm

The wiki entry missed one thing - the main GK of the Netherlands, Jan Jongbloed, wore the Nr.8 jersey in 1974 and 1978, when normally the main GK had the number 1. This was due to the fact that the Dutch FA gave the numbers to their players by alphabet, with the sole exception of Johan Cruijff, who insisted on wearing Nr.14.

by BartFargo Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:24 pm

Thanks for the addition.

It's also pretty cool about number 10 being predominantly assigned to the premier strikers.

by Hapless_Hans Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:26 pm

no wonder they never won a major tournament, these hopeless eccentrics :coffee:

by rwo power Mon Jun 30, 2014 7:10 pm

By the way, if I remember correctly, Brazilian goalkeeper Rogério Ceni wanted to get the Nr.10 on his jersey, but he was told he had to use the Nr.1 - and so he decided to put the 0 in front of the 1 and always wore the kit number 01 (hence his abbreviation as RC01). And if you ask why he wanted the Nr.10 - this amazing goalie managed to score 117 goals in his career. :bow:

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