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Post by terrance511 Wed 21 May 2014, 12:04

Dustbin Decima: Real Madrid winning in Lisbon will devalue Champions League



It will be hailed as Carlo Ancelotti’s greatest achievement but victory on Saturday would owe as much to domestic failure as superiority in European competition

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By Tony Mahoney

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http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2014/05/21/4829864/dustbin-decima-real-madrid-winning-in-lisbon-will-devalue?ICID=HP_HN_1
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Post by rwo power Wed 21 May 2014, 12:05

Goal.com posting troll articles for more more clicks again...
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Post by jibers Wed 21 May 2014, 12:09

Well tbh, non of those Real Madrid teams are in talks of being the greatest teams of all time. Madrid fans would not care at the end of the day. Only football historians will have some 'investment' in the outcome. Noone really cares. If Madrid win it they will have the 10th and will further reinforce their rightful claim as the most prestigious club football history. This obsession with best of all time teams man nothing to the teams at the time. It is times like these you can make a clear distinction between those that have played the sports and those that write about it.
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Post by zigra Wed 21 May 2014, 12:18

"How can the champions of Europe not be the champions of their own territory? "

Tbh no matter what you call it at the end of the day it's just a cup and you don't become champion of anything in football by winning a cup. There is no european champion. Just a cup winner.
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Post by jibers Wed 21 May 2014, 12:26

zigra wrote:"How can the champions of Europe not be the champions of their own territory? "

Tbh no matter what you call it at the end of the day it's just a cup and you don't become champion of anything in football by winning a cup. There is no european champion. Just a cup winner.

100% Agreed.
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Post by rwo power Wed 21 May 2014, 12:44

BTW, if Atletico win, then everything is fine anyway. So one should probably wait until the CL final is over Very Happy
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Post by Le Samourai Wed 21 May 2014, 12:50

terrance511 wrote:Dustbin Decima: Real Madrid winning in Lisbon will devalue Champions League



It will be hailed as Carlo Ancelotti’s greatest achievement but victory on Saturday would owe as much to domestic failure as superiority in European competition

COMMENT
By Tony Mahoney

oh:




http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2014/05/21/4829864/dustbin-decima-real-madrid-winning-in-lisbon-will-devalue?ICID=HP_HN_1

Toney Mahoney ffs rofl
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Post by M99 Wed 21 May 2014, 13:08

rwo power wrote:Goal.com posting troll articles for more more clicks again...
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Post by Lord Spencer Wed 21 May 2014, 13:08

Including Milan, who were the by far the greatest European team 2003-2007, and only were second best to two deep sides in Juve and Inter automatically devalues this article's argument.

That being said, the moment a team enters the CL by its own right, it automatically deserves being the champion if it wins it. Saying anything else about that is just pure stupidity.
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Post by zenmaster Wed 21 May 2014, 13:36

terrance511 wrote:Dustbin Decima

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Post by windkick Wed 21 May 2014, 15:05

On the other hand, if Atletico pull it off it would be an awesome story. Bales and CR7 transfers were probably higher than the entire cost of the Atleticos starting 11 lol
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Post by Vibe Wed 21 May 2014, 15:54

I read somewhere that QPR annual wage budget is 78 million while Atletico's is 54.
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Post by jibers Wed 21 May 2014, 15:54

windkick wrote:On the other hand, if Atletico pull it off it would be an awesome story. Bales and CR7 transfers were probably higher than the entire cost of the Atleticos starting 11 lol

As was Neymars...
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Post by Forza Wed 21 May 2014, 15:59

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Post by The_Badger Wed 21 May 2014, 16:01

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Post by che Wed 21 May 2014, 17:02

Lord Spencer wrote:Including Milan, who were the by far the greatest European team 2003-2007, and only were second best to two deep sides in Juve and Inter automatically devalues this article's argument.

so they were the best but they were second best to two different teams?

trollish as the article is it does have a point... maybe not so much for madrid who still put up a respectable fight for the title, but the chelsea win where they were resting players for cl since like march was an absolute joke... liverpool to a certain extent too, but i'd say that was more of an excellent tournament achievement on their part, since finishing 5th in the league was about par for the course for a team that regularly started djimi traore, stephen warnock, baros and sinama pongolle
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Post by Mr Nick09 Wed 21 May 2014, 17:09

lol che, the guy has no point. The Champions league is a cup tournament that has nothing to do with a league competition. We win the league on consistency and accumulating the most points, meaning, you can lose to the best teams but if you make sure to crush the fodder teams, u still win it.

In CL you have beat whichever team is in front of you to go through and to win it.

let's take the question in reverse. What does it say about atletico if they win the league and still cant beat us in a final?
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Post by che Wed 21 May 2014, 17:13

pretty much exactly the same thing it says about madrid if they win the cl but not the league... best in spain with an asterisk, and best in europe with an asterisk
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Post by Mr Nick09 Wed 21 May 2014, 17:29

winning the league or the CL doesnt make you the best of anything.
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Post by windkick Wed 21 May 2014, 17:31

jibers wrote:
windkick wrote:On the other hand, if Atletico pull it off it would be an awesome story. Bales and CR7 transfers were probably higher than the entire cost of the Atleticos starting 11 lol

As was Neymars...

Exactly my point. Their run has been amazing and very admirable and I hope they complete the double
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Post by Onyx Wed 21 May 2014, 17:32

I think the author is taking the tagline 'being champions of Europe' too literally. At the end of the day both are 2 separate competitions and aren't linked in any way. I don't think winning the CL and not winning the league devalues the CL.

However in order to be close to being the undisputed best team, I think a club has to win both the league and the CL.

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Post by Lord Spencer Wed 21 May 2014, 17:55

che wrote:
Lord Spencer wrote:Including Milan, who were the by far the greatest European team 2003-2007, and only were second best to two deep sides in Juve and Inter automatically devalues this article's argument.

so they were the best but they were second best to two different teams?

trollish as the article is it does have a point... maybe not so much for madrid who still put up a respectable fight for the title, but the chelsea win where they were resting players for cl since like march was an absolute joke... liverpool to a certain extent too, but i'd say that was more of an excellent tournament achievement on their part, since finishing 5th in the league was about par for the course for a team that regularly started djimi traore, stephen warnock, baros and sinama pongolle

Milan was better than both teams, but both teams were better than scrubs. A League campaign depends on depth, form, and consistency. A cup campaign depends on playing your best game and hoping you get lucky. From 2003 to 2007, Milan simply dominated in Europe (like Barca did in Pep's Era). However, Juve had less European load to deal with (in account of getting out early) and a larger squad. Then we get Inter and the Calciopoli scandal.

A Team winning the leauge depends on other teams than its own, but a cup is entirely in one's own hand. Also, freak incidents like Liverpool's CL win shouldn't be the yard stick we measure the competition's worth by.
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Post by Lord Spencer Wed 21 May 2014, 17:59

On topic of undisputed best teams.

I think winning both the league and CL "regularly" for a period of years is the mark of an undisputed team. IMO, Milan 2003-2007 were the best cup team, but they did not have the depth to regularly win in Serie A.

In contrast, Milan 1988-95 were probably the best in Europe in that time-frame, as well as Barca 2008-2011.
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Post by Valkyrja Wed 21 May 2014, 18:06

We are BuLi champions
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Post by Lord Awesome Thu 22 May 2014, 05:28

Should change his name to Tony Baloney. His article is certainly full of it. :facepalm:
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