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Post by zizzle Sun May 11, 2014 5:22 pm

Hey guys, i havnt been watching for the last 3 weeks, i read the results of Extreme Rules and it looks like i missed some good feuds and matches. Any major news i should know ? anything on Sting's return ? Taker's retirement ?

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Post by Onyx Sun May 11, 2014 5:26 pm

Nah Sting hasn't officially signed yet and nothing on Undertaker either.

Big news is Sheamus possibly turning heel/has turned heel.

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Post by Casciavit Sun May 11, 2014 5:42 pm

Yohan Modric wrote:Payback, which is the next PPV is in Chicago next month.

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rofl

That would be perfect lmao
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Post by M99 Sun May 11, 2014 6:43 pm

Yohan Modric wrote:Nah, it was due to the Real Americans chant and the swing he kinda got cheered. The post WM crowd chant for any heel. Now that he's with Heyman, he barely gets a reaction. Now WWE are forcing his push by trying to show he's a heel, but still handing out Cesaro signs.

He won't get far without any unique character traits and passable mic skills like Bryan/Punk have.

Give him some credit lol. It was not just about the Real Americans chant, the crowd did not give two shits about Swagger. Post Mania RAW the only person who got a bigger pop was Bryan. And yeah being with Heyman has derailed his momentum, he should have remained face and feuded with Swagger, heel Sheamus, Barrett, Kane, The Authority or any strong heel. WWE are not forcing it, the fans have liked him for a long time.
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Post by Onyx Sun May 11, 2014 6:59 pm

Nah, Cesaro got crickets and was a generic foreign heel prior to the Real Americans. Plus at his peak he was never super over like Bryan/Punk. He got the cheers any average midcarder like Kofi gets.

Also WWE are actually forcing it, because they're trying to create a Bryan situation for him. Something like that only happens organically.

Thing is Cesaro is good in the ring, but that isn't enough to be a main eventer. He needs some sort of a character and passable mic skills.

Same with Reigns, he has no mic skills or character. He only has a good look. Forced pushes won't go down well.

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Post by M99 Sun May 11, 2014 7:12 pm

Yohan Modric wrote:Nah, Cesaro got crickets and was a generic foreign heel prior to the Real Americans. Plus at his peak he was never super over like Bryan/Punk. He got the cheers any average midcarder like Kofi gets.

Also WWE are actually forcing it, because they're trying to create a Bryan situation for him. Something like that only happens organically.

Thing is Cesaro is good in the ring, but that isn't enough to be a main eventer. He needs some sort of a character and passable mic skills.

Same with Reigns, he has no mic skills or character. He only has a good look. Forced pushes won't go down well.

Yeah prior to the Real Americans he had a stupid yodelling gimmick. At the Real Americans he was serious and people got to see him for what he truly was and also appreciated his ring work as he became more and more involved in matches. And the cheers were loud, saying otherwise is just blatant lying. To get super over like Bryan and Punk, one has to actually be in the main event. Punk got super over when he was main eventing with Cena and Triple H, did he have the entire arena behind him when he was in the New Nexus or Straight Edge Society? Bryan's overness accelerated when he was main eventing with Cena and Orton/Authority. Cesaro's rise did happen organically and now WWE is trying to take advantage of that and push him more.

Tbh Cesaro has hardly spoken on the mic. Zeb Colter did all the work on the mic and now Heyman does it. Give him a chance on the mic before writing him off, imo he will do fine. Bryan is meh on the mic, that did not stop him? Once you get into a good feud, you automatically have interesting things to talk about.

Reigns has the look and big moves that gets huge pops. He obviously is the most over guy on The Shield but we can only judge him properly when he goes solo.
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Post by Onyx Sun May 11, 2014 8:46 pm

Bryan was super over when he wasn't in the WWE title picture and when he was in a comedy tag team with Kane. Also Punk and Bryan occasionally got loud chants from smarks when they weren't main eventing, I've never heard that for Cesaro. Punk/Bryan were much better midcarders than Cesaro is.

WWE are forcing Cesaro's push because they're handing out Cesaro signs, but he's still portrayed as a heel. It was said in a rumour recently that they're trying to create a similar situation to Bryan, so it's clearly forced. That was something that happened organically with Bryan.

Also Cesaro has spoken on the mic before when he was on his own and the foreign accent just doesn't work well. Bryan can actually cut adequate promos.

Reigns gets big pops because he's booked strongly. Rollins and Ambrose would too if they were. If he wasn't booked strongly, then he'd just be that generic big guy from the Shield.

Anyway the main thing is Cesaro has no character whatsoever. He's completely bland. Being good only in the ring isn't good enough.

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun May 11, 2014 8:59 pm

Bryan is bland as f*ck yet you love him lol.
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Post by Onyx Sun May 11, 2014 9:04 pm

Bryan isn't completely bland like Cesaro though.

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Post by Freeza Sun May 11, 2014 9:07 pm

Yohan Modric wrote:Bryan isn't completely bland like Cesaro though.
YES YES YES he is.
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Post by Firenze Sun May 11, 2014 9:25 pm

Cesaro > Bryan, for me. Prefer his in ring style. Both crap on the mic though.

Give him his push, see where it goes.
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Post by Onyx Sun May 11, 2014 9:33 pm

Here's a basic character trail for Bryan.

http://www.wwenews.net/character-progression-daniel-bryan/#.U2_ZWPldWSo

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Post by Onyx Sun May 11, 2014 9:36 pm

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Post by Firenze Sun May 11, 2014 9:41 pm

Yohan Modric wrote:

Steiner was a legend for me. Had one of the GOAT personas in wrestling history.

Those botches though Laughing
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Post by Onyx Sun May 11, 2014 9:54 pm

Bryan long hair short beard look:

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Post by Onyx Sun May 11, 2014 9:54 pm

Sheamus without his chinstrap. Laughing

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Post by RealGunner Sun May 11, 2014 9:57 pm

Monthly Bryan debate is on :bow:

Agreed with whoever is winning the debate.
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Post by Firenze Sun May 11, 2014 10:01 pm

Yohan Modric wrote:Bryan long hair short beard look:

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you are obsessed with this man smh

still looks like a scrub FYI

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Post by Freeza Sun May 11, 2014 10:05 pm

MT's relationship with Bryan turning into the equivalent of Jiopsi and Messi's
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Post by Onyx Sun May 11, 2014 10:08 pm

There is no Bryan debate, it's a Cesaro one. hmm

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Post by Onyx Sun May 11, 2014 11:41 pm

Do WWE need to establish a secondary title? Because right now there's people who are too good for the midcard titles, however not good enough for the WWEWHC.

They either need to elevate the IC title or they need to introduce a new title.

To elevate the IC title, they can have main eventers feuding for it. I like Barrett, but he should have got the U.S. title instead and Sheamus should have got the IC title, since he's more credible and more of a main eventer.

Or they can just introduce a new title.

I don't think the WWE and WHC titles should ever split. There's no point having 2 World titles when there's one roster and no brand split. Also by now everyone know's the WHC isn't as good as the WWE title. Midcarders won the WHC in the past few years and it was always treated as the B title.

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Post by Freeza Sun May 11, 2014 11:47 pm

Yohan Modric wrote:Do WWE need to establish a secondary title? Because right now there's people who are too good for the midcard titles, however not good enough for the WWEWHC.

They either need to elevate the IC title or they need to introduce a new title.

To elevate the IC title, they can have main eventers feuding for it. I like Barrett, but he should have got the U.S. title instead and Sheamus should have got the IC title, since he's more credible and more of a main eventer.

Or they can just introduce a new title.

I don't think the WWE and WHC titles should ever split. There's no point having 2 World titles when there's one roster and no brand split. Also by now everyone know's the WHC isn't as good as the WWE title. Midcarders won the WHC in the past few years and it was always treated as the B title.
Should only have IC and WWE championships, and a tag team set. Too many titles is retarded, and the influx has almost destroyed the credibility of them.
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Post by Onyx Mon May 12, 2014 1:49 am

WWE Superstar Batista may not be as much of a bad guy as people think. According to sources within the WWE, the former World Champion has been misled and lied to since he came back to the WWE and he is not happy about it. The same sources claim that the entire reason he is leaving for his promotional tour so quickly is because of the lies, and that alone.

A prominent story that it seems the WWE started is that Dave was mad about potentially jobbing to Daniel Bryan. We can now confirm that it seems the WWE put it out there themselves to throw the scent off of their own problems in regards to Batista. There is no word on the promises the WWE made to Batista, but he has a real beef here. Sources say everything is twisted in regards to Batista.

A main source says the following in regards to “The Animal”:

“WWE wants that story out, but it’s all twisted. (Batista) would do five jobs for Bryan. They’ve f—ed him in money, booking, broken promises (relating to his) schedule, and promoting his (outside projects). Had that not happened, he would be around until late June, but because Vince (McMahon) f—ed him, he’s not, so they dragged Daniel Bryan into this to vilify Batista. Daniel is beloved and a martyr so he benefits, but it has nothing to do with jobbing. They’ve twisted. It’s classic Vince. Look at Ultimate Warrior and SummerSlam, Bret Hart in Montreal. (Vince) puts out his narrative. There are always two sides.”

The WWE has never really had a lot of stories on lying to talent about payment as they can afford most things that they want. So the most shocking part of this report is not the fact that they lied about booking or had a few broken promises. Rather, the fact that they lied to him or messed up his contract from a financial stand point.

It is said that Vince McMahon is heavily involved in trying to work things out with Batista.

Obviously we know now that WWE had planned to bring him in and have him win the WWE World Heavyweight Title at WrestleMania 30. Those plans changed by having Daniel Bryan win the title instead, to the fan’s delight. However, if the WWE promised Batista the title as an incentive to come back and he came back for it and they didn’t give it to him, I could see his issue.

Sure, many fans did not want to see him as champion. I am one of those people. The issue is, if you were promised something before you signed a contract and then you didn’t get it when you did, you could see how Batista would be offended by that. I don’t think Batista was angry about that as he could see WWE was forced to make this decision, despite the idiocy of management to see it beforehand.

Batista obviously is offended by multiple things, and the WWE has never really done this to him so I could see why he is both surprised and upset by it and happy to take a break.

The current plan is still to have Dave take time off after WWE Payback, but he could surprise us and stay until the end of June as he originally wanted to. That is if WWE can fix whatever issues they have with him. If they do not, then Batista has every right to be upset with the WWE and want to leave.

Returning might even be in doubt as Batista has considered “pulling a CM Punk” according to some sources, which is sad as Batista is a great superstar. He simply came into a bad situation in January and now even the fans are having issues with him. That can be a lot for anyone to take.

http://www.inquisitr.com/1246820/wwe-news-batista-lied-to-by-wwe-considered-leaving-for-good/

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Post by Onyx Mon May 12, 2014 2:01 am

IWC from 1996 and 2000. Proud

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