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Post by El Gunner Sat Feb 26, 2022 1:57 am

Vibe wrote:I am personally disgusted by the entire human race. How did we ever get it all so wrong ffs.
it's all written in our code. We're just some fucked up social experiment.

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Post by Vibe Sat Feb 26, 2022 2:07 am

El Gunner wrote:
Vibe wrote:I am personally disgusted by the entire human race. How did we ever get it all so wrong ffs.
it's all written in our code. We're just some fucked up social experiment.


Fully agreed tbh
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Post by Nishankly Sat Feb 26, 2022 6:40 am

Vibe wrote:
BarcaLearning wrote:But Ukraine is relatively small country

The US invades countries for breakfast. No media backlash, no sanctions, no one cares. Now suddenly everyone remembers how terrible war is.



Western narrative, everything east of Europe absolutely and vocally hates America yet it's a bit hypocritical since immigration. There is Youtuber who has travelled in every country of the world and does a series "Which country do you hate the most", if the country where the question is being asked is not a European country, majority of the answers are the USA.
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Post by Mamad Sat Feb 26, 2022 7:48 am

Saudi is bombing Yemen for 7 years now. where is USA? where is UN? why nobody says anything?

Humans are a disgrace. life of a person in Africa or Asia doesn't matter eh?

When Iraq attacked my country everyone backed them. gave them weapons. Russia and USA included. Iraq used chemical weapons on Iran. nobody blamed them or stopped them. USA armed them for gods sake.

more than 200000 Iranian people dead. where were USA or Germany or UK then?

Russia, USA, Germany, UK, China etc.... they are all the same. i'm talking about governments. all blood thirsty animals. if there is something to gain from it, they don't give a f*ck about human lives and they are happy to start wars.

European countries are condemning Russia ( verbally ) for attacking Ukraine. rightly so. but if it was USA attacking Ukraine, they would not say a word. Ukrainian people are not their concern at all.

Humans are doomed. we will end ourselves.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Sat Feb 26, 2022 10:11 am

The closest comparison to what Russia is doing today by the US is the invasion of Iraq, and idk about you guys but I remember a huge amount of protests at the time and the US' reputation took a hard hit it has not recovered from. It's true there were no sanctions and that is hypocritical, but it's not like the world just accepted it either .
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Post by The Demon of Carthage Sat Feb 26, 2022 10:53 am

Vibe wrote:The US invades countries for breakfast. No media backlash, no sanctions, no one cares. Now suddenly everyone remembers how terrible war is.

I was laughing throughout Biden's speech.

I mean, at first, I really thought he was just kidding, and I assumed he was opening his speech with a joke:
Biden wrote:The Russian military has begun a brutal assault on the people of Ukraine without provocation, without justification, without necessity.

This is a premeditated attack.

But no! He was really serious. I just wanted to ask him, does Iraq ring a bell mr president?Laughing

Imagine the world's Number #1 bully, the country with the most amount of blood on its hands, giving people lectures on how invading other countries is bad.

Loove it.
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Post by El Gunner Sat Feb 26, 2022 11:07 am

BarrileteCosmico wrote:The closest comparison to what Russia is doing today by the US is the invasion of Iraq, and idk about you guys but I remember a huge amount of protests at the time and the US' reputation took a hard hit it has not recovered from. It's true there were no sanctions and that is hypocritical, but it's not like the world just accepted it either .

the point that Mamad made is how western media controls our brains into not giving a shit about brown and black people.
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Post by VivaStPauli Sat Feb 26, 2022 2:23 pm

El Gunner wrote:
BarrileteCosmico wrote:The closest comparison to what Russia is doing today by the US is the invasion of Iraq, and idk about you guys but I remember a huge amount of protests at the time and the US' reputation took a hard hit it has not recovered from. It's true there were no sanctions and that is hypocritical, but it's not like the world just accepted it either .

the point that Mamad made is how western media controls our brains into not giving a shit about brown and black people.


I do give a shit, and I consume western media. Maybe you just consume the wrong western media?
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Post by El Gunner Sat Feb 26, 2022 2:53 pm

good, so where has your posts about Palestine and Yemen been lately...

let me check on this forum and your social media...


nowhere to be found...
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Post by sportsczy Sat Feb 26, 2022 2:58 pm

I understand a little bit why Russia is doing it... they don't want a NATO country right on its border and Ukraine was trying to join the EU and become a NATO member.  From what I've watched and read, that was one of two requirements by Russia:  No NATO and a cap on militarization.  If these two conditions were met, Ukraine could do whatever it wanted.

I mean the US had a similar issue with Cuba (Cuban missile crisis) and would likely also throw a tantrum if Canada or Mexico became a Russian or Chinese ally and decided to join a military alliance with those two countries. Can't have that right on your border.

It always baffles me how western political leaders and people generally are unable to read the room from a common-sense perspective.  Then what happens... a war breaks out and innocent people suffer.
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Post by sportsczy Sat Feb 26, 2022 3:04 pm

I'll also add that, since the fall of the USSR, I frankly never understood why Europe didn't create its own military alliance that didn't involve Russia or the US. Just Europe. Then you wouldn't get sucked into these superpower games.

This stupidity is also the result of lazy politics in the EU.
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Post by The Demon of Carthage Sat Feb 26, 2022 3:41 pm

^ NATO also could've ended this conflict before it even begun by simply guaranteeing to Russia that Ukraine will never be part of NATO (if they truly cared about the Ukrainian lives I mean). That way, Putin would have no excuse to invade Ukraine.

Instead, they let Putin's suspicions grow stronger by the day, as if deep down they really wanted him to invade Ukraine so they can slap some sanctions on Russia.

I really have no respect or sympathy for any politician on this planet. They are the scum of the earth. By far the profession that I despise the most because it only draws the opportunistic, manipulative, morally bankrupt and greedy.
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Post by BarcaLearning Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:13 pm

Didnt know Ukraine is that big of a country sorry Razz Im just not familiar with everything especially with politics worldwide, never cared, not until when Hong Kong protests started a few yrs ago n I tried for like the first time ever trying to figure out whats going on Razz In the past these things tend to be so far away its pretty much non topic for ignorant ppl like myself lol...

So what do most ppl want in Ukraine though, did they support to join NATO? Even so Russia got no right to stop nearby countries do what they want if they think its an improvement. Just from the very little I know nobody wants to be ruled or influenced by dictator that is Putin?
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Post by sportsczy Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:35 pm

(delete post because what's the point here lol)


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Post by Nishankly Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:41 pm

Whereas my entire Linkedin is filled with Anti Russian pro Ukrainian posts by Ukrainians. Let's stop assuming what people want? This is the mistake the West has made in the East since the dawn of time. The West always think they know better and then forget about us after causing irreparable damage.
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Post by Nishankly Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:54 pm

sportsczy wrote:I'm not guessing anything nor would i give an opinion on this... just relaying the description made to me by a Ukrainian tech guy who lives in Lviv.  He may be wrong or he may be right.

He watched Russian tanks go by btw. No confrontation because there was no Ukrainian army there and the people didn't fight. They just let them go by.


This is purely (and fucking thankfully) the nature of war in 2022. It's tactical and strategic rather being all over the place like we've read through history. Even Afghanistan as the Talibans took over, it was the same. You lose key points defended by 200 people, you give up the city with mass evacuation/retreating or surrendering. Its not a door to door, building to building blood bath anymore that you would expect in a war.
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Post by Myesyats Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:57 pm

The Demon of Carthage wrote:^ NATO also could've ended this conflict before it even begun by simply guaranteeing to Russia that Ukraine will never be part of NATO (if they truly cared about the Ukrainian lives I mean). That way, Putin would have no excuse to invade Ukraine.

He would always make up an excuse. He literally said in his address that Ukraine is ruled by nazis and drug addicts and there's genocide going on. The excuse was that he comes in to protect Russian citizens
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Post by Nishankly Sat Feb 26, 2022 6:04 pm

I mean Putin and that Belarus *bleep* Lukashenko, these are the longest serving top leaders in Europe, obviously they will not be able to forget the past and live a new future. Hitler did the same, was so annoyed by Versailles that he wanted to redecorate the world. These guys drag out old issues like they are still a thing, case in point is the dick Indian PM
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Post by Myesyats Sat Feb 26, 2022 6:14 pm

Better late than never. Russia's exclusion from SWIFT is agreed upon and Germans send panzerfausts and stingers to UA
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Post by Myesyats Sat Feb 26, 2022 6:35 pm

sportsczy wrote:I'll also add that, since the fall of the USSR, I frankly never understood why Europe didn't create its own military alliance that didn't involve Russia or the US.  Just Europe.  Then you wouldn't get sucked into these superpower games.

This stupidity is also the result of lazy politics in the EU.

Right. I disagree with Trump on 99% of stuff but in this case he is on point



"Germany is absolutely dependent on Russia. They are prisoners of Russia.
We are to protect you from Russia, and you are paying billions of dollars to Russia. You make it stronger."

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Post by Nishankly Sat Feb 26, 2022 7:06 pm

Myesyats wrote:
sportsczy wrote:I'll also add that, since the fall of the USSR, I frankly never understood why Europe didn't create its own military alliance that didn't involve Russia or the US.  Just Europe.  Then you wouldn't get sucked into these superpower games.

This stupidity is also the result of lazy politics in the EU.

Right. I disagree with Trump on 99% of stuff but in this case he is on point



"Germany is absolutely dependent on Russia. They are prisoners of Russia.
We are to protect you from Russia, and you are paying billions of dollars to Russia. You make it stronger."



I am really bad at all this with mild info but isn't that valid for almost every country, you are dependent on upcoming nations for cheaper resources. For example Italy on China.
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Post by sportsczy Sat Feb 26, 2022 7:12 pm

Nishankly wrote:I mean Putin and that Belarus *bleep* Lukashenko, these are the longest serving top leaders in Europe, obviously they will not be able to forget the past and live a new future. Hitler did the same, was so annoyed by Versailles that he wanted to redecorate the world. These guys drag out old issues like they are still a thing, case in point is the dick Indian PM

It's unbelievable. Imagine the amount of negative energy you carry around if you personalize and hold a grudge re every negative thing that happened to you in your lifetime and even in history.

It such a f-in waste of energy. Learn of course but move the f on.

I can't even imagine living this way. It seems very prevalent with the super powerful.
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Post by sportsczy Sat Feb 26, 2022 7:13 pm

Nishankly wrote:
Myesyats wrote:
sportsczy wrote:I'll also add that, since the fall of the USSR, I frankly never understood why Europe didn't create its own military alliance that didn't involve Russia or the US.  Just Europe.  Then you wouldn't get sucked into these superpower games.

This stupidity is also the result of lazy politics in the EU.

Right. I disagree with Trump on 99% of stuff but in this case he is on point



"Germany is absolutely dependent on Russia. They are prisoners of Russia.
We are to protect you from Russia, and you are paying billions of dollars to Russia. You make it stronger."



I am really bad at all this with mild info but isn't that valid for almost every country, you are dependent on upcoming nations for cheaper resources. For example Italy on China.

It's not cheaper from Russia.  It's just convenient and didn't require effort and investment.  Forget alternative energy... you can get oil and natural gas from other places in the world.  At least make it so that you diversify your supply chain. But it requires effort for foresight.  Politicians are lazy assholes.

It is like the military issue in Europe.  Why invest in our own defense when the US is more than happy to provide the military?  It's expeditious and convenient in the short term.  But when the US can't do it anymore or doesn't want to, you're fucked.  Same laziness.
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Post by Found Sat Feb 26, 2022 7:28 pm

Myesyats wrote:
The Demon of Carthage wrote:^ NATO also could've ended this conflict before it even begun by simply guaranteeing to Russia that Ukraine will never be part of NATO (if they truly cared about the Ukrainian lives I mean). That way, Putin would have no excuse to invade Ukraine.

He would always make up an excuse. He literally said in his address that Ukraine is ruled by nazis and drug addicts and there's genocide going on. The excuse was that he comes in to protect Russian citizens

Ukrainian Nazis have been quite a meme in Russia for a long time. Slavs to the east of Poland are quite something. I watched a video of one group of Slavs nail another Slav to a cross and set it on fire. I don’t know which was which, but allegedly the man burned to death was a Russian separatist and the group were Ukrainians. It’s incredible how violent some people are over the most minor of ethnic differences.
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Post by sportsczy Sat Feb 26, 2022 8:32 pm

I tell you this though... if Ukraine miraculously pushes the Russians to retreat, the country should IMMEDIATELY become a EU member and a NATO member so that this never happens again.

I also want the US to get its military up to the overwhelming level again. In the late 80s, the US could handle full open warfare on two fronts anywhere in the world, meant to thwart both the USSR and China if need be. We're now down to one and not just anywhere. With this attack, it's obvious that the need for a large military establishment is not something of the past, unfortunately. As long as you have leaders such as Xi and Putin, you need to make sure that there is a deterrent.

The US needs to get itself back to those levels. There needs to be a military status quo between the superpowers. Since Russia and China are collaborating, the US needs to counterbalance both.
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Post by BarcaLearning Sat Feb 26, 2022 9:55 pm

Definitely hope the US gets itself ready to counter any more greedy moves from them, as soon as they learn they can push their agendas they will continue on. They make their own shit up n brainwash their military n citizens or basically force them to support them, no care for the rest of the world unfortunately.

US are no saint, but would so much rather them than the dictators increasing their hold of the world...
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