Serie A: Are the low goal counts predominantly because of a lack of talent or a higher regard for tactical discipline?

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Post by Casciavit Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:17 pm

To be fair to Rossi, he does have quite the supporting cast behind him.

I'm quite sure a lot of forwards would thrive when they get there service from the likes of Pizzaro, Aquilani, Borja and Cuadrado.

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Post by Arquitecto Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:40 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
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Rossi? Maybe you haven't figured out that he is actually  GOOD player or how he spent every single day since his recovery training with Montella and La Nazionale's coverciano grueling semantic in which they make you play in 4 different formations every week until recovery is scientically processed.

Not about Rossi himself.... more that a player whose record of most goals in a league campaign is 18 had 14 goals this season before Christmas and would have smashed said record if he stayed fit.

Doesn't really hold the argument that its a league which is defensive superior.... my point was that Rossi had 14 before Christmas why did it take nearly 3 months later for someone to equal that tally?

Could it be that Rossi is actually a quality forward ( still overrated by this forum) but i digress.

While the rest of the league lacks in quality offensive talent to produce similar goal outputs.

If top quality players like Ibra and Cavani and other past talents struggled to score then you might have a point but fact is they never did so i don't see where your argument is coming from really.

Rossi has been injured for 2 months. While Serie A teams underwent a mass change in managers, systems and new incurred players based on another year of re-adapting to the 3-man revolution as well as the current system evolution, Rossi spent a great amount of time under Montella personally training within the system and priming him to slot in within the formation, given that he was bought much earlier from Villarreal.

Montella garners praise for his midfield play to which creates the highest number of chances for the front flank in Serie A (while their defence concedes the 3rd highest) as his initial partnership with Gomez in Serie A thrived. Even after Gomez, Rossi absolutely flourished in the system given he had a combination of Aquilani, Pizzaro, Borja, Joaquin in his playmaking role and very attacking wingbacks in the form of Cuadrado and Pasqual. His rate nigh beginning of Serie A was abnormally high hence his praise while the others have been scoring in expected rates of them.

His Serie A rate nigh the beginning of the season prospered given that his rate set the tempo above most of the strikers who were either injured, adapting or simply not keeping up to what Rossi was doing. Examples are Gomez' injury, Higuain renovated under Rafa to have his current selfless role while Llorente came off many times off the bench and seldom started until he was deemed fit.

Rossi excelled simply because of his unreal rate at the beginning of the Serie A season to which dropped into a more steady rate based on him unable to find a holding striker for himself.

Serie A attacks have the lowest conversion rate amongst EPL, Bundesliga, La Liga, Liga Sagres and even Ligue 1 where finishers are severely lacking. Finishing is one of the sore-points of these teams are due to the multi-dimensional roles of Serie A forwards, a burden that can result in the sacrifice of your point finishing. Shearer in his latter years lost his pace and chose to convert himself into a more complete CF (as if he wasn't already) yet it took away from how clinical he was. It did not deduce the mass influence he accrued on the pitch yet league focuses on outlet strikers with various roles. Only true Prima Punti are Immobile, Toni, Betanin, Eder, Gilardino, Pazzini (injured half the season) and Tevez given how direct he has become and at the expense of a thankless Llorente. Cerci another example as he was converted into an SS behind Immobile to which has expanded his dimension along with the penalties afforded to him (like Rossi).

Serie A attackers aren't tasked to be completely within the box as their roles cannot afford them that luxury hence why they aren't in consistent positions to score and when they are, their finishing is below-standard.

Offensive talent in Serie A is below the Premiership yet using that as the crux of your debate to prove a sole point is frivolous given how many other factors come about when comparing league differences (only in upper echelons) as error rates reach a marginal error.


@General: Mourinho's system was essentially a rehashed version of Mancini's to which involved having Zlatan as the creative and goal scoring threat up front as Ibra's consistency thwarted a Serie A on its knees and both managers know the simplicity needed. It worked brilliantly.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:48 pm

Arq i don't deny any of that and said as much in chat to begin with.

My argument was and still is that the reason that there isn't more goals scored by individuals like you see in La Liga and PL is because the forwards in those divisions from top to bottom are of a higher standard.

I never denied there's more concern for stopping the opposition with tactical set ups then there are in any other major league.

But that doesn't negate the fact that the talent at the offensive end is not at a lower standard and that if the standard was higher you would see similar goal out puts at a regular basis.

I don't think for one second that the higher regard for tactical discipline would stop England and Spain's finest from shining in Serie A personally.

They would have as much success as they do in their current divisions provided they are in the right environment to succeed.
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Post by Arquitecto Mon Mar 03, 2014 7:05 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Arq i don't deny any of that and said as much in chat to begin with.

My argument was and still is that the reason that there isn't more goals scored by individuals like you see in La Liga and PL is because the forwards in those divisions from top to bottom are of a higher standard.

I never denied there's more concern for stopping the opposition with tactical set ups then there are in any other major league.

But that doesn't negate the fact that the talent at the offensive end is not at a lower standard and that if the standard was higher you would see similar goal out puts at a regular basis.

I don't think for one second that the higher regard for tactical discipline would stop England and Spain's finest from shining in Serie A personally.

They would have as much success as they do in their current divisions provided they are in the right environment to succeed.

Thing is, individualism brilliance and the use of it on a consistent basis cannot last in Serie A despite the declining defences. Either when a new player enters the Serie A mould or in a new role, they usually succeed within their threat of attack yet within the course of the game or in the 2nd leg in the 2nd half of the season versus the same opposition, they are either figured out or visibly subdued given the time each manager spends on each player as its a grueling and almost inhumane process. When the teams figure that their talent is not enough for individualism they embark upon extracting as much as they can from the attackers to allocate contributions outside just the box.

Others would not thrive as much yet what does happen is their dimension of play is expanded. While they are not afforded as many goals they improve as footballers if they are not directly specialized which is why you seldom see CFs within the box in the league. Reduced goal output doesn't necessarily equate to a less effective performance given how they are improved as footballers and in their cumulative contribution and evolution as a player, to which Serie A teams have focused on for years, regardless of the league declines and ascends. Different types of players might find it difficult in one league while struggling in the next based on the tactical variables and how their manager accordingly slots him.
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