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Post by barca 2011 Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:08 am

Given on what you guys have seen this season, which is the better RB?
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Post by Donuts Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:43 am

Ima give it to Carvajal but to say the least neither have really done so well..
montoya has been below average and carvajal isn't what everyone hyped him up to to be.
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Post by the xcx Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:10 pm

Carvajal has been superb.
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Post by Onyx Fri Feb 07, 2014 9:38 pm

Yeh Carvajal's a bit better. What I like about Montoya is his explosive bursts when attacking.

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Post by Kick Fri Feb 07, 2014 9:41 pm

Azpilicueta >>>>>
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Post by the xcx Fri Feb 07, 2014 9:50 pm

Just because your a mod now, does not mean you can troll.
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Post by Kick Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:00 pm

the xcx wrote:Just because your a mod now, does not mean you can troll.

First of all, that is rich coming from you.

Second of all, I am simply posting my opinion, even though it is slightly different to what the thread in question is asking.

Third, Montoya has been poor, Carvajal has been better but not fantastic and Azpilicueta has ousted Cole from Chelsea's XI, which, is the biggest achievement of the three and since we're talking about Spanish RB's, why not include the best of all?
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Post by Arquitecto Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:05 pm

Should not be a comparison considering Carvajal was Bundesliga's best RB last season and is havin a progressive season in Real Madrid.

Montoya on the other hand is an average talent who hasn't reached the levels that Carvajal has reached in their youth.

Azpi is superior than both, little debate beyond that considering what he has proven in his years and his performance indices
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:11 am

Stop this best RB in the BL crap.

He's not good enough to clean Lahm's boots and dry his shirts.

Same for Piszczek.

If you are really going to give credit for his performances then Lars Bender should be named best RB in the BL as he did all his defending.

As shown by his utter average defending without him.

Besides even if he wasn't to say he was better than Philip Lahm is disgusting and anyone that truly believes it should be robbed of the ability to discuss football.
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Post by Valkyrja Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:26 am

It's clear that he isn't nearly as good as Lahm, but he is a good RB for his age and has potential to be very good.
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Post by Arquitecto Sat Feb 08, 2014 1:59 am

See, that would have been true if Lars Bender WAS actually protecting Carvajal's side, whereas he actually inversed inside Rolfes inversed to Carvajal's side to screen his overlap- Reinhartz playing a DLP.
Lars also was far too vertical to actually be covering Carvajal as his inside runs had Boenisch released on the left while the partnership between Sam and Carvajal was a solitary responsibility, very little to do with Lars Bender.

Since we are speaking of fullbacks being carried- I hope we do not forget Sven ACTUALLY covering both fullbacks in a screening role which includes Piszcheck.

Or how Lahm was screened by Javi or Schweinstieger (in Javi's advance) or an Arjen Robben with twice the amount of work rate than Sam who rarely tracks back.

Subjective opinion on this is dictated by what one provided for his team and what his absence dictates, Dortmund and Bayern fairing quite well even in their respective rightback's absences; (Bayern far more) while Carvajal's importance to his team whether it be his 8 assists or two-tasked role under Hyppia struck a greater blow.

Reminds me of when casual fans automatically name Neuer as the BL's best last season in terms of performance while Rene Adler was out there coughing dirt and grass saving Hamburg's behind.

Or how most were quick to name a cog in Bayern's wheel (Dante) as the best CB while Mats Hummels provided the silk and steel within the rear of Dortmund's blast chamber, only to be overlooked for his mistakes or positional blunders of Submaterialotic

You can name Piszcheck or Lahm or an even overlooked HSM over Carvajal yet thankfully this debate is not as black and white as posed, Carvajal was transcendent in a very vital role.

I'd summon Bundesliga fans who are not Real Madrid fans to provide their respective opinions as well.



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Post by The Franchise Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:04 am

One is a pretty bad fullback in terrible form, while the other is a run of the mill fullback you can find in most clubs who just so happens to play for a top club.

Does it even matter?

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Post by Le Samourai Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:11 pm

Can Viva ans Urban please get in this thread? All I'll say is Dani has been great and his main problem has been adjusting to the La Liga refs, who call him on a lot of nonsense and don't allow him to be as a aggressive as he was in Germany.

I watch Leverkuzen alot the year he played, but since I'm a Madrid fan, my assessment I suppose is invalid.

So I guess we need Viva and Urban to settle it. I know their answer anyway, they'll say he had a fantastic year for Leverkuzen, because he did.
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Post by barca 2011 Mon Feb 10, 2014 4:22 am

I see, thx for your opinions guys, although there is a lot of mention of last season with Leverkusen. It seems the consensus is that Dani is a better player overall but who has had a better season?
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Post by CBarca Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:14 am

Montoya is Segunda level.
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Post by too many oranges Mon Feb 10, 2014 7:54 pm

As i believe Arquitescu is alluding to, Carvajal is having a progressive season at the bernabeu so far.

We will surely be able to say more about Carvajal and how he is developing; in the near future/next season, when he gets a more consistent role in the team.

The players have to work together to figure out what to do in the pitch, how to work together, with each other, to feel most comfortable.  Carvajal is still young, and with time, i think better positioning, movements, and actions will be produced along with his team mates, with this there should also be an increase in confidence and ability as he seems like a pretty hard worker and smart.

Two of his most recent performances i can say i watched with detail, he did a pretty fine job, against betis and granada, he showed that he's a hard worker capable of many things, run of the mill fullback you say?

Well i see a hard worker with potential to get even better, he could be very good for Madrid.
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Post by Valkyrja Mon Feb 10, 2014 8:13 pm

[quote="barca 2011"]I see, thx for your opinions guys, although there is a lot of mention of last season with Leverkusen. It seems the consensus is that Dani is a better player overall but who has had a better season?[/quote]

if you watch only Barca matches you could still answer that question. that Montoya guy is very bad.
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Post by Doc Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:27 pm

I thought Montoya would have made a good fullback but damn, he regressed a lot. Maybe he wasn't good at all to begin with...
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Post by FalcaoPunch Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:16 am

Caravjal.
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Post by Gil Tue Feb 11, 2014 3:32 am

Azpilicueta.
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Post by M99 Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:36 pm

From what I've seen this season, Carvajal by far.
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Post by Le_Force Tue Feb 11, 2014 3:17 pm

Azpilicueta has more potential to succeed into Wc player and hes playing in the best league in the world. Mou mentoring him would do good for him. However this thread is not about him and hes age cap confronts him out of the comparison. Between Carvajal and Montoya, well Barca fans hate Montoya so choice is clear.

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Post by halamadrid2 Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:09 am

To be fair to Montoya none of the barca defenders seem to be doing good atm. I remember we were in that situation once. Could it be other underlying problems thst has resulted in him being bad??? I think so

Montoya looked very good for spain u21 because he had a role and wasn't asked to do something he couldn't.

Azpi Laughing Him replacing Cole would be the same as any half decent defender displacing Evra. The fact that he couldn't replace Ivanovic despite Iva being finished in his primary position both for Benitez and for Mou says it all really. There is a reason Chelsea are after Shaw. You really think Mou will stick with Azpi there??? Don't be daft

he will buy a lb and a rb and you will wonder what the hell happened to azpi when he fails to make the bench
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Post by The Franchise Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:38 am

No.

Because he is worse than all of them.

Its only Alba, him and Mascherano who have these problems. For the most part Bartra, Adriano and Alves are defending very well and Pique has his moments (like yesturday, or Atletico) where he is very good and his moments where he is very bad.

Montoya doesnt have a role now asking him anything he cant do...so I dont know what your talking about. I dont know what someone's role has to with failing to control simply passes.
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