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Post by RealGunner Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:47 am

79 sprint speed is pretty good for a 20 year old. Might increase with age to 85-ish.


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Post by RealGunner Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:47 am

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Post by rwo power Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:47 am

Well, the question is how much playing time he gets - although, given the pricetag, there would probably heads be rolling if he is benched too much ^^

Oh and given that he is a fan favourite at Schalke and just had his contract extended, I'd think Schalke won't sell him under the alleged release clause of 45 mio Euros.
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Post by The_Badger Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:47 am

Firenze wrote:Any word on the fee? weren't Schalke constantly reiterating he wouldn't be sold for less than 40m?

Not going to pretend like I've seen him outside of some highlights (signed him on FIFA last year, he was a slow LW hmm)

Interesting signing but from the limited stuff I do know, seems a little bit weird. Why not try to sign a legit established forward for that kind of cash?

Who would be available for that cash? Cavani?

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Post by Blue Barrett Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:48 am

If he becomes a striker, I don't think he'd be more than a Defoe level striker. But who knows?
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Post by Le Samourai Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:52 am

I could see him emphasizing the goalscoring aspect of his game in training. I thought he would do it with Ozil as well.
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Post by B-Mac Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:52 am

if Arsenal did pay 45 million euros :facepalm:
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Post by Gil Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:54 am

B-Mac wrote:if Arsenal did pay 45 million euros :facepalm:

Why do you care exactly?
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Post by Arquitecto Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:00 am

Draxler CAN actually be honed into a striker eventually. I have sang song on his overrated abilities, poor passing, lack of vision, running into blind alleys and his predictability yet he does possess a fantastic eye for the goal. When he learns to perform in tighter spaces and stop attempting his way in dribbling out of everything, Draxler can his his strengths in the form of finishing, natural instinct to be prolific, shot accuracy when given space and his physical strength into a tangent of solid consistency. Use him within his limits and Arsenal can mould him beyond the limited abilities into a very useful player.

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Post by B-Mac Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:07 am

Gil wrote:
B-Mac wrote:if Arsenal did pay 45 million euros :facepalm:

Why do you care exactly?

i don't lol but it is a lot for a young unproven player for any team, considering we are paying reportedly the same amount for Mata
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Post by RealGunner Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:13 am

Can't see us signing him tbh.
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Post by Pip Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:16 am

rwo power wrote:Well, I see him play pretty often, too, and I really wouldn't call the kid average. He's definitely a good prospect, and frankly I don't think he does himself a favour to leave that early in his career. At Schalke he'd have more time to continue his development.
If you look at him as a 20 year old prospect, then yes, he is above average. He looks great physically but I don't see him as a real #10 like he wants. He looks like one of the running types, like Mkhitaryan (sp).

He hasn't done anything special this year, imo.

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Post by Jay29 Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:19 am

Wenger was asked about Draxler. He said:

"Draxler? Honestly, no. That is again an illusion. We have no need to take players on the flank."


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Post by Arquitecto Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:21 am

I say it without the film of usual transfer arrogance, yet I can, hermano. Schalke are in decline when it comes to holding the talent and the incurring interest from Arsenal on a consistent tangent, spells a concrete chance to acquire signature. Arsenal have slowly turned into a brimstone cauldron for German's to migrate into the highbury fields given the acquisition of the much respected leader in Big *bleep* German, Mesut (no further explanation needed) than in the competitive meadows of young talent in the form of Zelalem, Gnabry, Eisfeld etc. This provides a very attractive destination and healthy environment for Drax to take the next step in his career. Schalke are usually easy to haggle in negotiations historically as I am sure the price will be deduced down into something less absurd than the current price.

But even if priced at that (despite my disagreement), it is an investment. He is not proven but he is a known quantity. A potent ligature in the hands of Wenger.
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Post by rwo power Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:22 am

@Pippo

I don't really consider a 20 year old player as the finished product, so I do see him as prospect still. And given his age, he is of course still having issues with his consistency, which is why I think he should stay at least one or two years more at Schalke as that would benefit both him and Schalke.
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Post by urbaNRoots Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:02 am

Will never come to Arsenal, good player though - United getting in would make much more sense.
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Post by Highburied Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:28 am

urbaNRoots wrote:Will never come to Arsenal, good player though - United getting in would make much more sense.

You dont make sense at all..

Man Utd are boring now.
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Post by Casciavit Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:23 pm

Pippo wrote:I don't get the hype at all. I've seen him play regularly and he is very very average. Is it just because of the second half of last season that he is rated so highly?  scratch 
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Post by Robespierre Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:29 pm

and there are still doubts EPL is best league in the world by a mile?
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Post by El Chelsea Fuerte Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:37 pm

Robespierre wrote:and there are still doubts EPL is best league in the world by a mile?

No.

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Post by Twoism Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:10 pm

Arquitescu wrote:Draxler CAN actually be honed into a striker eventually. I have sang song on his overrated abilities, poor passing, lack of vision, running into blind alleys and his predictability yet he does possess a fantastic eye for the goal. When he learns to perform in tighter spaces and stop attempting his way in dribbling out of everything, Draxler can his his strengths in the form of finishing, natural instinct to be prolific, shot accuracy when given space and his physical strength into a tangent of solid consistency. Use him within his limits and Arsenal can mould him beyond the limited abilities into a very useful player.


I doubt we would get him this early but this about to sum him up, whoever praise his pace and vision clearly hasn't watched him, nowhere near as fast as Theo or creative as Mesut and Santi. But he does have something similar to RVP with his powerful and accurate shot and to Ronaldo with his ability to get into right position to get a goal.

Wenger did say several of time he wants a striker who could fill in and play with Giroud so that's probably what he had in mind.

Still makes very little sense to get him now while we pushing for title, he might be cautious over the fact Draxler price could goes up with more competition.
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Post by M99 Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:14 pm

So, what's up with the transfer? Is it happening?
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Post by Highburied Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:35 pm

Draxler and Mandzukic

Make it happen Wenger !! Smile
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Post by Jay29 Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:46 pm

M99 wrote:So, what's up with the transfer? Is it happening?

Any reports saying that a fee has been agreed is jumping the gun, unsurprisingly.

If you go by what the papers have been saying, Arsenal have a clear interest and have supposedly been talking to Schalke about a January move for a while. The original intention was to renew our interest in the summer, since he a release clause that was only active then, but Walcott's injury may have convinced Wenger to bring him in earlier. There's some suggestion that Schalke wouild consider a sale, and that Draxler himself is pushing for a move now, but I don't know have true that is.

So the situation is, if there is one, is that we're trying to negotiate a fee as we're not entirely willing to meet Schalke's supposed asking price of £37mil. But recently Wenger has completely denied anything is happening:

Wenger wrote:on Julian Draxler rumours…
That again is an illusion. There is nothing happening, honestly no. We have no need on the flanks, we have Chamberlain coming back, we have many players on the flanks. Honestly, I told you in the last press conference, we don't rule it out but at the moment I cannot announce anything to you.

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-on-podolski-zelalem-and-the-ox

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Post by urbaNRoots Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:05 pm

This can only happen if Arsenal sign him now and loan him back to Schalke for half a season. Horst Heldt would be ripped apart if he sold one of their main players now, risking a top 4 finish (and CL money) when he can sell him in the summer for the same amount.

That would mean paying €45m OR MORE for a player who won't help us in our hunt for league title ?a player who MIGHT be able to play as a striker and has no place in the first team in his natural position without selling Podolski when we could erm sign a natural striker instead, perhaps?

Yep, I can totally see that happen.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:53 pm

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I understand Bayern will try to make a deal with Schalke where they pay part of fee now, but Draxler will come to Bayern 2015

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I understand Bayern will try to make a deal with Schalke where they pay part of fee now, but Draxler will come to Bayern 2015
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