Re: The TV Series Thread - Part 3

by M99 Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:35 am

RealGunner wrote:
M99 wrote:
RealGunner wrote:

And you didn't like that. There is no hope brah. Dexter is twice the show BB is.

No it is not. You got it the other way around.

For me, it is. Without a doubt. Mamad's reasoning is spot on.

No one in BB has even 30% of complexity of Dexter Morgan's character. It's one of the greatest character ever created in any TV Show and that for me is the most important aspect of a TV Show. The plot of Dexter was unique and the writing 10/10 while the story was also more indulging. It actually makes you think and reflect which is another important aspect of TV show for me. Finally the suspense it offered was more gripping and not just a generic cliff hanger.

Once again, my opinion. Dexter at its prime was untouchable.

I agree that Dexter is one of the greatest TV characters ever but saying no one in Breaking Bad had 30% of his complexity is just wrong and a hyperbole. Walter White, Jesse and Gus Fring all were complex characters that underwent some superb development. You don't have to be a secret serial killer with psychological issues to be a great TV character. Gus' calm demeanour, intelligence, terrifying ruthlessness, mysterious past and motivation made him a fantastic and fascinating villain and one who you could sympathise with. He had a lot of complexity as did Walter White. Walt's development from a normal family man to a cunning bloodthirsty drug baron is better than any character development presented in any show ever. Then there was Jesse who broke bad early on but had certain limits and conflicting emotions arose when those limits were being crossed. The characters were also enhanced by the superb acting of the show, nearly every actor or actress involved gave near perfect performance especially Bryan Cranston who gave arguably and all time great performance in the five seasons. I disagree on the suspense part too, Breaking Bad delivered highly when it came to suspense. There were cliffhangers but I don't think they were too generic. Most of the times it was executed perfectly and had you salivating for the next episode.

Breaking Bad had everything. The acting, characters, character development, direction, aesthetics, plot, suspense, action, dialogue was beautifully done and in my opinion as an overall package was much better than Dexter season 1-5.

by elitedam Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:41 am

Your criteria is hilarious! Laughing

But seriously, try Banshee and Strike Back.

by Freeza Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:41 am

Opinions opnions opinions.. Dexter season 1-5 fit my taste much better though, never really liked Walter White or Jesse Pinkman. Couldn't get behind them at all. Dexter though, he just had something that drew me to the screen, until the writers tried to kill him.

by Tomwin Lannister Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:41 am

Banshee

Strike back :bow:

I'm 2 or 3 eps behind on Banshee though.

by Onyx Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:44 am

Watched a episode of arrow, it was ok.

Think I'll watch a few more episodes of arrow and the Americans. hmm

A lot of the shows I'll admit are good, it's just they don't have the cliff hangers and that binge watch effect that BB had to make you want to watch the next episode.

by Tomwin Lannister Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:44 am

Arrow improves drastically as time goes on btw

by M99 Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:45 am

Yohan Modric wrote:I'll write a criteria, tell me which shows fit it:

No mystery thriller. Has to be straightforward action thriller.

Nothing that's set in some fantasy land with horses or in the 1800's.

45 minutes per episode.

One main storyline that's full of suspense, similar to BB and TWD.

Would be good if it's crime related, however it's not necessary.

Ideally something that's came out after 2009.

The Sopranos. Normal running time of the episodes are around 50 minutes, 5 minutes longer than your criteria. So is Sopranos crossed of now hmm

by M99 Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:47 am

Freeza wrote:Opinions opnions opinions.. Dexter season 1-5 fit my taste much better though, never really liked Walter White or Jesse Pinkman. Couldn't get behind them at all. Dexter though, he just had something that drew me to the screen, until the writers tried to kill him.

Walter White and Jesse Pinkman's story and dilemmas drew me to the screen. I feel MT, it was hard to say goodbye to them.

by elitedam Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:51 am

How is arrow? I read the plot summary at IMDB and thought it was kind of silly and I'm not really a fan of superhero movies or TV shows. Also, it's on the CW. Should I still check it out or is it not really for me?

by elitedam Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:52 am

I'm assuming MT has already watched and loved True Detective?

by Tomwin Lannister Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:54 am

Sometimes it's a bit cheesy/unrealistic for my liking, but that's 100% to be expected with this. Other times it comes in with an amazing episode and takes you by surprise.

It's worth a go imo

by McAgger Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:54 am

elitedam wrote:How is arrow? I read the plot summary at IMDB and thought it was kind of silly and I'm not really a fan of superhero movies or TV shows. Also, it's on the CW. Should I still check it out or is it not really for me?

Arrow starts really sloppy and slow. We have a thread in this section for Arrow. If you read through the first couple of pages everyone sort of makes fun of it and then all of a sudden it just improves drastically and you can see it in people's posts.

by M99 Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:55 am

elitedam wrote:I'm assuming MT has already watched and loved True Detective?

He only watched the first episode and said it's too slow paced and has a lack of action. He liked the acting though.

by Onyx Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:56 am

True Detective too slow paced from what I saw, although I'll give it another chance.

by elitedam Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:01 am

Thanks, still not sure if I should give it a go.

Btw, Breaking Bad also had slow pacing at times. Especially that first season if I'm remembering correctly.

by Freeza Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:07 am

M99 wrote:
Freeza wrote:Opinions opnions opinions.. Dexter season 1-5 fit my taste much better though, never really liked Walter White or Jesse Pinkman. Couldn't get behind them at all. Dexter though, he just had something that drew me to the screen, until the writers tried to kill him.

Walter White and Jesse Pinkman's story and dilemmas drew me to the screen. I feel MT, it was hard to say goodbye to them.

Yeah well people just relate to different things, and that's good, else we'd go for the same friends and girl friends.

Just finished TWD, should I watch Hannibal, The 'Murricans or The Blacklist? :hmm:need something to do when not writing exam.

by El Gunner Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:22 am

Can't understand why MT limits himself ffs... :facepalm:

Anyway, sorry Red... Again.
Man, I type so fast that I sometimes forget.

by El Gunner Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:27 am

From the looks of things it looks like I need to try out Dexter.
I'm on the boat with those saying that BB was good. But not THAT amazing. And that it lacked that certain cutting edge, enigma, spark and "omg, jaw-dropping moments" only had a few of those. So maybe I might also agree with them that Dexter is amazing.
I love intense, twisted characters.

by RealGunner Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:29 am

M99 wrote:
RealGunner wrote:
M99 wrote:
RealGunner wrote:

And you didn't like that. There is no hope brah. Dexter is twice the show BB is.

No it is not. You got it the other way around.

For me, it is. Without a doubt. Mamad's reasoning is spot on.

No one in BB has even 30% of complexity of Dexter Morgan's character. It's one of the greatest character ever created in any TV Show and that for me is the most important aspect of a TV Show. The plot of Dexter was unique and the writing 10/10 while the story was also more indulging. It actually makes you think and reflect which is another important aspect of TV show for me. Finally the suspense it offered was more gripping and not just a generic cliff hanger.

Once again, my opinion. Dexter at its prime was untouchable.

I agree that Dexter is one of the greatest TV characters ever but saying no one in Breaking Bad had 30% of his complexity is just wrong and a hyperbole. Walter White, Jesse and Gus Fring all were complex characters that underwent some superb development. You don't have to be a secret serial killer with psychological issues to be a great TV character. Gus' calm demeanour, intelligence, terrifying ruthlessness, mysterious past and motivation made him a fantastic and fascinating villain and one who you could sympathise with. He had a lot of complexity as did Walter White. Walt's development from a normal family man to a cunning bloodthirsty drug baron is better than any character development presented in any show ever. Then there was Jesse who broke bad early on but had certain limits and conflicting emotions arose when those limits were being crossed. The characters were also enhanced by the superb acting of the show, nearly every actor or actress involved gave near perfect performance especially Bryan Cranston who gave arguably and all time great performance in the five seasons. I disagree on the suspense part too, Breaking Bad delivered highly when it came to suspense. There were cliffhangers but I don't think they were too generic. Most of the times it was executed perfectly and had you salivating for the next episode.

Breaking Bad had everything. The acting, characters, character development, direction, aesthetics, plot, suspense, action, dialogue was beautifully done and in my opinion as an overall package was much better than Dexter season 1-5.

Disagree with all of that. I didn't find anything complex about Breaking Bad characters. They were generic characters who just went through character development to evolve but that wasn't anything that you don't find in other 100 TV Shows. I liked Walter a lot though, but apart from him I couldn't really care about anyone else as they didn't interest me at all nor there was anything interesting about them. They were mostly generic characters that were playing a role in a very good story with good acting by their part however that would only be applied to 2-3 characters as for example, Skyler's OTT acting was cringe worthy which was one of the reason I didn't even want to watch anymore. And Yes I know she was supposed to act that way, but there is a difference between hating a character and stop watching a show because of them. See the acting by Joffrey in Game of thrones for example.

Dexter Morgan was't great because he was a mysterious killer with psychological issues. He was great because he was Unique in ways which was never introduced on TV before. He brought out questions of morality, of life, of the grey area in society. His issues deemed of a psychotic patient were something which normal people actually could relate too. He brought out people's inner self because nearly everyone sympathised with Dexter of the things considered wrong with the society which they secretly actually applauded. There are so many other things I can talk about Dexter Morgan which makes him The character was ingeniously written which for me will never be able to replicate on TV ever again.

Finally, no I personally never found the suspense in BB to be unique. I was shocked few times though like when Walter killed crazy eight or when he let Jane die. But apart from that the suspense in Prison break was twice as more gripping not to mention the cliff hangers in it.

Once again, it's all my opinion. I don't like straight forward shows like Breaking Bad. That's one of the reason I am finding it hard to finish. It's just not my taste.

by RealGunner Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:31 am

Freeza wrote:
M99 wrote:
Freeza wrote:Opinions opnions opinions.. Dexter season 1-5 fit my taste much better though, never really liked Walter White or Jesse Pinkman. Couldn't get behind them at all. Dexter though, he just had something that drew me to the screen, until the writers tried to kill him.

Walter White and Jesse Pinkman's story and dilemmas drew me to the screen. I feel MT, it was hard to say goodbye to them.
Yeah well people just relate to different things, and that's good, else we'd go for the same friends and girl friends.

Just finished TWD, should I watch Hannibal, The 'Murricans or The Blacklist? :hmm:need something to do when not writing exam.

Thought you couldn't get into it?

The Americans and Hannibal are the shows I am going to watch next when Arrow finishes in 3 weeks. Start either or both and I'll join you imo hmm

by RealGunner Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:32 am

El Gunner wrote:From the looks of things it looks like I need to try out Dexter.
I'm on the boat with those saying that BB was good. But not THAT amazing. And that it lacked that certain cutting edge, enigma, spark and "omg, jaw-dropping moments" only had a few of those. So maybe I might also agree with them that Dexter is amazing.
I love intense, twisted characters.

Definitely recommend Dexter. Give it 3-4 episodes to see if its your thing or not.

by Freeza Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:36 am

RealGunner wrote:
Freeza wrote:
M99 wrote:

Walter White and Jesse Pinkman's story and dilemmas drew me to the screen. I feel MT, it was hard to say goodbye to them.
Yeah well people just relate to different things, and that's good, else we'd go for the same friends and girl friends.

Just finished TWD, should I watch Hannibal, The 'Murricans or The Blacklist? :hmm:need something to do when not writing exam.

Thought you couldn't get into it?

The Americans and Hannibal are the shows I am going to watch next when Arrow finishes in 3 weeks. Start either or both and I'll join you imo

I'll start with Hannibal then hmm

Got to support my main man Mads Mikkelsen, greatest Danish actor of all time.
I gave it a try though, almost done with last episode, the guys at the camp remind of me that family from the game that cooks 'different' kind of meat.

by Onyx Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:41 am

Why does it matter if a show has complex characters. You either like a show or you don't. hmm

by Freeza Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:43 am

Yohan Modric wrote:Why does it matter if a show has complex characters. You either like a show or you don't.

Because flat characters are so unimportant, and you don't care what happens to them.

by elitedam Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:22 am

What Mads Mikkelsen is doing with Hannibal is amazing. :bow:

And Will Graham this season has really stepped his game up. I'm loving this season so far. I'm only hopping that NBC doesn't screw it up.

by Freeza Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:24 am

elitedam wrote:What Mads Mikkelsen is doing with Hannibal is amazing. And Will Graham this season has really stepped his game up. I'm loving this season so far. I'm only hopping that NBC doesn't screw it up.

If you like Mads Mikkelsen, you should definitely watch The Hunt, it's his best performance ever.

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