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Post by BarrileteCosmico Wed Dec 18, 2013 1:02 am

I don't really agree with the role model things... off the pitch. But on the pitch they have an ethical obligation to behave in such a way that represents their employers' values.

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Post by Tomwin Lannister Wed Dec 18, 2013 1:23 am

Yeah the whole role model B.S always annoyed me

Fine him and move along
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Post by Forza Wed Dec 18, 2013 1:31 am

BarrileteCosmico wrote:I don't really agree with the role model things... off the pitch. But on the pitch they have an ethical obligation to behave in such a way that represents their employers' values.

Exactly. It's not about morals more broadly, but the relationship between the player and their club and the league administrators. Players are employees of the clubs and clubs are members of the FA. Therefore, they need to behave in a way that represents their employers' values and the FA's values. What players do in their own time is not the FA's concern, but I never suggested it was.
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Post by Eman Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:09 am

Forza wrote:
Eman wrote:
DuringTheWar wrote:Adebayor sprinted 80 yards to celebrate a goal in front of the other teams fans. I guarantee that caused far more aggravation than that gesture. But he got no ban for it.

Priorities are all over the place, trivial stuff always seems to be disproportionately punished nowadays (in most aspects of life)
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Surely you jest... Players can celebrate wherever they want on the field, but celebrating does not include offensive gestures. You can't charge someone for causing aggravation if what they have done is not offensive in the first place. We might as well ban scoring goals because that will aggravate fans of the other team. Laughing
It was clearly done in a mocking fashion, which is offensive. Scoring goals is different and has nothing to do with purposely angering the opponents, but running the length of the pitch to purposely slide in front of the rival fans obviously does.
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Post by DuringTheWar Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:27 am

http://kayizwan.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/capello.jpg

Laughing

did capello get banned for that? I cant remember it
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Post by Forza Wed Dec 18, 2013 3:21 am

Eman wrote:
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Eman wrote:
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Surely you jest... Players can celebrate wherever they want on the field, but celebrating does not include offensive gestures. You can't charge someone for causing aggravation if what they have done is not offensive in the first place. We might as well ban scoring goals because that will aggravate fans of the other team. Laughing
It was clearly done in a mocking fashion, which is offensive. Scoring goals is different and has nothing to do with purposely angering the opponents, but running the length of the pitch to purposely slide in front of the rival fans obviously does.
There is an argument to say that scoring against a rival club is definitely for the purpose of angering the opponents, but that's an aside.

The main point is that there is a limit to what a player can do on the pitch towards the fans. Although, I would suggest that limiting the areas on the field where a player can celebrate a goal is a draconian response for the sake of not angering fans of a team who have just conceded a goal. The fans should feel angry when a former player scores against their team whilst playing for a rival club. Rivalry is part of the game and there is no pre-existing rule that prevents players from celebrating in front of opposition fans, nor are players discouraged from doing so. Conversely, there is a rule against known offensive gestures (I presume) and it is discouraged by the club and the FA.
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Post by Red Alert Wed Dec 18, 2013 3:48 am

BarrileteCosmico wrote:I don't really agree with the role model things... off the pitch. But on the pitch they have an ethical obligation to behave in such a way that represents their employers' values.

This.
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Post by MJ Wed Dec 18, 2013 5:57 am

Wherever you stand on the goal/celebration/fingergesturing, I think we can all agree that Adebayor should always be banned because.
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Post by stevieg8 Wed Dec 18, 2013 6:01 am

Lex wrote:This "players are expected to be role models" argument

Brb organizing an orgy

Brb smoking some weed

Brb partying 'till dawn with slags

Brb hiring a Thai prostitute

Brb buying my dog a gold covered bodywarmer

But flip the bird and, suddenly, the entire spirit of the game comes into question Laughing

Not that i agree with Wilshere's actions, but a bit of common sense is needed here

Shocked Shocked someone smoked weed with slags in an orgy on the pitch???? on television broadcast to children??????? what game was that in? and how did they not get suspended???? where can i download it and watch it that sounds hilarious!
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Post by Robespierre Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:19 am

Natalie Portman wrote:
Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Of course they do Laughing

Because Liverpool fans have the world is against us BS mentality doesn't mean English players get away with things.

Suarez was banned repeatedly because he repeatedly acts like a c*ntbag no other reason.

Deal with it.

Yea. the same mentality that got Defoe a yellow card for biting Mascherano, and Suarez 10 match ban for biting Ivanovic.

give over Laughing

I remember also Suarez banned 8  matches for racism while Terry " only " 4.

For me it was really inexplicabile
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Post by DuringTheWar Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:28 am

well suarez got 1 match for the finger, wilsheres been banned for 2
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:42 am

Let's wait and see what the post-appeal ban is...
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Post by RealGunner Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:11 pm

Banned for 2 matches. Won't appeal

If only he was English.
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Post by Lex Thu Dec 19, 2013 7:29 pm

Two match ban rofl
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Post by Arquitecto Thu Dec 19, 2013 7:37 pm

*bleep* bullshit :facepalm:

Non-Englishmen in the form of Luis Suarez, Deco, Thierry Henry and now Jack Wilshere all receive a match (or more) ban while the Englishmen continue to cavort away in their lenient bans by the FA.

If he was English it wouldn't even be a fine.
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Post by Tomwin Lannister Thu Dec 19, 2013 7:38 pm

Agreed, Wilshere suffering from his foriegn roots.
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Post by Art Morte Thu Dec 19, 2013 7:44 pm

In before "I feel homesick in England".
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Post by DeletedUser#1 Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:00 pm

Wilshere is 1/16 Icelandinc for those wondering. His great grandfather had a romantic journey with an Icelandic women, rumored to be from reign of Erik the red, when he went on a soul searching journey to Iceland many decades ago. They had a kid and that kid is wild here's grand father''s father.

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Post by Tomwin Lannister Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:02 pm

rofl
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Post by MJ Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:06 pm

American striker, Olivier 'Captain America' Giroud, was photographed reacting to the news that his French teammate Jacque Wilsheaux is set to be suspended for two matches following inappropriate gestures to Manchester City customers fans.

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Post by M99 Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:54 pm

I can confirm that Giroud's great great great grandfather was an English sailor who sailed to the New World for a new life. He was later outraged at the ridiculous prices of tea in the colonies and proceeded to throw tea from ships at Boston. So I can guarantee you he will not be banned since he is English. The FA is truly a disgrace.
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Post by Gil Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:26 pm

BUT BUT BUT BUT WILLSHARE INGRISH. WHY DIS HAPPEN!?!?!?

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Post by DeletedUser#1 Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:33 pm

Gil wrote:BUT BUT BUT BUT WILLSHARE INGRISH. WHY DIS HAPPEN!?!?!?


Read the post a couple above you, you clown.

Wilshere is not 100% English.

This is the woman Wilshere's great grandpa had an affair with in Iceland btw:

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Post by Helmer Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:12 pm

you people seriously rofl

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Post by Lex Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:32 pm

Jacque Wilsheaux rofl
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