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Post by jibers Wed Aug 21, 2013 3:51 pm

sportsczy wrote:No way Pogba is or ever will be a 10.  He is Patrick Vieira with slightly better offensive skills and slightly worse defensive skills...
Agree with this.

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Post by Juventude Wed Aug 21, 2013 4:20 pm

Yeah, he's not a number 10 or a trequartista, but I also don't think he's Vieira either. If people think he's better on offense and not as good on defense as Vieira, then that's a poor person to compare him with. He's a very special player and I hate throwing labels on players. Why do people insist on that? He's only 20 and I don't think we have seen the end of his development. Just sit back and enjoy watching him rather than trying to make him into something he is not.
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Post by Tomwin Lannister Wed Aug 21, 2013 4:36 pm

Agree completely with Juventude


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Post by juve_gigi Wed Aug 21, 2013 7:16 pm

Paul Pogba will prove you all wrong. He will be a world class attacking midfielder and will become a ballon D'Or winner in that position. Like I said he will become Giuseppe Marotta's greatest signing.

He compares to Patrick Viera?  Are you kidding me?  Did you watch Viera actually play?  Pogba has talent Viera could only have dreamed of. Pogba is closer to Zidane than he is Viera. Yaya Toure?  Yaya wishes he could do things Pogba can do.

Zidane was a nobody until he came to Juve. Newcastle rejected a $1.2 million bid for him when he was at Bordeaux at age 24 because they thought he couldn't crack the first team. He then was sold to Juve for $3.2 million and the rest is history.

Pogba has been given a huge opportunity at age 20 to be a first team player because of the unfortunate injury to Marchisio. Let's see what happens over the next 30 days. I could be wrong but my prediction is he will stay in the starting lineup after 30 days and he will become a star player as a trequartista or attacking type midfielder...
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Post by Luca Wed Aug 21, 2013 7:23 pm

And what exactly makes him similar to Zidane?

Just curious as to your reasoning behind this. It's interesting for a number of reasons, like Juventus not playing with an attacking midfielder since Diego. Like Pogba publicly staying in interviews his preferred position. Like Juventus utilizing him in the midfield but he has more responsibilities than an attacking midfielder. Like how comparisons to great players like Yaya and Vieira is insulting. Very over zealous in this reaction. I find his performance against Lazio horrendously overrated at the moment.

Why do we need to go off the deep end when talking about a 20 year old kid who is not even a focal point of the club as of now. Great potential and already great things from him but lets not be premature.

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Post by elm_baraja_shaman Wed Aug 21, 2013 8:02 pm

and here I was thinking Yaya was one of the most complete midfielders I  have ever watched....
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Post by juve_gigi Wed Aug 21, 2013 8:17 pm

Luca wrote:And what exactly makes him similar to Zidane?  

Just curious as to your reasoning behind this. It's interesting for a number of reasons, like Juventus not playing with an attacking midfielder since Diego. Like Pogba publicly staying in interviews his preferred position. Like Juventus utilizing him in the midfield but he has more responsibilities than an attacking midfielder. Like how comparisons to great players like Yaya and Vieira is insulting. Very over zealous in this reaction. I find his performance against Lazio horrendously overrated at the moment.

Why do we need to go off the deep end when talking about a 20 year old kid who is not even a focal point of the club as of now. Great potential and already great things from him but lets not be premature.
I think he has alot of similar qualities to Zidane. I'm not saying he is like Zidane when he was in his prime with Juve, but at 20 years old he is already showings flashes of talent that not even Zidane showed at that age. Juve is already being offered over $20 million for Pogba who has only started a handful of games and is only 20. This is almost unheard of for a player with very limited playing time.

Vieira and Toure are great players in their own right at their positions. I'm certainly not trying to diminish their great careers at all but at the same time I think Pogba has more natural talent than both of them and can establish himself as a greater attacking force than both those players.

Hey, I could be wrong. Maybe Pogba becomes nothing more than a good #8 with some offensive upside. Perhaps call it a hunch, but I see great things from this kid. Like ballon D'Or winner greatness. But I could be wrong. Only time will tell...
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Post by juve_gigi Wed Aug 21, 2013 8:25 pm

elmystique wrote:and here I was thinking Yaya was one of the most complete midfielders I  have ever watched....
He is Kwame. But Pogba will be even better. And the great part is that we as Juve fans will be able to watch every minute of his future great career unfold. How lucky we are to be Juventus fans today!!  We have so many top players, world class players we can watch and cheer for. Just like the old days.

It's such a great feeling to be a Juve fan today. Such good times ahead with players like Pogba, Vidal and other young up and coming players. We are finally back on top guys. Looking forward to another year full of trophies!!!

Oh by the way Happy Belated Birthday Kwame!!!  Did your girlfriend give you a nice present last night???  Smile
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Post by elm_baraja_shaman Wed Aug 21, 2013 8:38 pm

juve_gigi wrote:
elmystique wrote:and here I was thinking Yaya was one of the most complete midfielders I  have ever watched....
He is Kwame. But Pogba will be even better. And the great part is that we as Juve fans will be able to watch every minute of his future great career unfold. How lucky we are to be Juventus fans today!!  We have so many top players, world class players we can watch and cheer for. Just like the old days.

It's such a great feeling to be a Juve fan today. Such good times ahead with players like Pogba, Vidal and other young up and coming players. We are finally back on top guys. Looking forward to another year full of trophies!!!

Oh by the way Happy Belated Birthday Kwame!!!  Did your girlfriend give you a nice present last night???  Smile
thanks Gigi..... lol she is not around Sad but thanks for the wish, very honored...
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Post by sportsczy Wed Aug 21, 2013 8:42 pm

He is NOTHING like Zidane... come on now. There's absolutely zero similarities.
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Post by juve_gigi Wed Aug 21, 2013 8:56 pm

sportsczy wrote:He is NOTHING like Zidane... come on now.  There's absolutely zero similarities.
ZERO similarities??  Come on now that's not correct. Did you watch Zidane when he was 20?  Newcastle said they didn't want him cause he wouldn't be able to crack their first team. And that was when Zidane was 24 not 20!!!

I'm not saying he is Zidane's quality when Zidane was winning footballer of the year trophies. Zidane was well into his mid twenties when that happened. But at 20 years of age Pogba is showing flashes of greatness. So much so Arsenal is willing to cut a cheque for over $20 million to get him and Conte is declaring him untouchable.

Like I said I could be wrong. Players do change over time and some progress and some regress. Perhaps all we see from Pogba is flashes of greatness with regular average type play. But I have a hunch we are witnessing a star being born. A future ballon D'Or winner. We will see what transpires..
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Post by DeviAngel Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:16 pm

I to think he is not Zidane-like player Smile
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Post by Juventude Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:25 pm

Zero similarities is a strong statement. I see a lot of similarities in terms of pace, movement, and length in handling the ball. We have already seen early indications of his shooting range last season when he was 19. No one is saying he is Zidane, but he definitely has similar strengths as Zidane just not to Zidane's level yet.
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Post by juve_gigi Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:55 pm

Juventude wrote:Zero similarities is a strong statement.  I see a lot of similarities in terms of pace, movement, and length in handling the ball.  We have already seen early indications of his shooting range last season when he was 19.  No one is saying he is Zidane, but he definitely has similar strengths as Zidane just not to Zidane's level yet.  
Exactly...

Pogba is showing some very critical similarities to Zidane in terms of his pace, strength and his incredible power in his legs to score wonder goals from 30 metres out. His passing is also getting better and will get even better with time. I'm astonished people don't see this. They think he's just a defensive midfielder with a nice shot. If that were the case then why is Wenger offering $20+ million for basically a Patrick Vieira clone at age 20????  

I'm not saying he is a ballon D'Or winner today. But he is showing flashes of greatness that with some great coaching from Conte will turn into regular weekly occurrences of greatness. To be in the starting lineup of a world class team like Juve at age 20 is almost unheard of. We have propsects at Juve well into their 20's that can't even crack the bench. Whereas Pogba at 20 is showing he can already be a regular.

To me Pogba is on the verge of greatness but maybe it's just me and my very old eyes that can't see clearly, haha!!!  I've seen them all over the last 25 years. And to me Pogba looks very special. He looks like the real deal. Maybe I'm getting too old to evaluate talent. Hopefully that is not the case cause I'm rooting for this guy to be great...
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Post by Juventude Thu Aug 22, 2013 2:59 am

Gigi, I'm with you all the way. Maybe, I'm too old like you, but Pogba gets me excited every time he steps on to the pitch. I just hope the development continues.
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Post by DeviAngel Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:26 am

Juventude wrote:Gigi, I'm with you all the way. Maybe, I'm too old like you, but Pogba gets me excited every time he steps on to the pitch. I just hope the development continues.
nah I don't see you as to old juventude, you and gigi are like the brain of this section Smile
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Post by elm_baraja_shaman Thu Aug 22, 2013 2:46 pm

DeviAngel wrote:
Juventude wrote:Gigi, I'm with you all the way. Maybe, I'm too old like you, but Pogba gets me excited every time he steps on to the pitch. I just hope the development continues.
nah I don't see you as to old juventude, you and gigi are like the brain of this section Smile
where does that place me and tom? Laughing
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Post by Tomwin Lannister Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:09 pm

We are the lifeblood. The heart ffs Proud
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Post by juventus101 Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:04 am

After watching him yesterday I thought about it, and I really dont understand it. Hes played 3 games this year. I the supercoppa before he went off injured he was possibly our best player. In the two league games hes been excellent as well.

Last season he was "quiet" because he did alot more defensive work than usual, allowing Vidal to attack more. Still had some awesome attacking moments though and defensively was a rock.

The seasons before, he was among our top 3 best players in 11/12, if it wasnt for Pirl9 having a godlike season he wouldve even had a case for being our best player that season. In 10/11 he gets played out of position on the left wing so Aquilani and Melo can play centrally, yet still outperforms them and is one of our best players. In 09/10 he was again one of our best, more consistent performers, including that awesome goal against Inter that ill never forget where he made Lucio look like a chump. Then in 08/09 he gets alternated with Cristiano Zanetti as the playmaker CM next to Sissoko and that is where he originally blossommed. Was our best CM at such a young age already.

All this, plus his loyalty and love for Juve, and consistently great performances for Italy, yet people are calling for him to be benched for Pogba, some people even calling for him to be sold. What a joke.
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Post by Forza Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:24 am

juventus101 wrote:I  the supercoppa before he went off injured he was possibly our best player.
lol, Marchisio only played 15 minutes. Pogba came on and scored almost immediately, played a great game.
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Post by S Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:25 am

juventus101 wrote:Last season he was "quiet" because he did alot more defensive work than usual, allowing Vidal to attack more. Still had some awesome attacking moments though and defensively was a rock.
He was quiet last season because he had to do more defensive work than Vidal by playing in the SS position ? Thanks for exposing yourself.I thought he had a good first half of the season but was very average in the 2nd half in which half of the games where he played SS and looked atrocious.

Anyways he's rated fine by me.Great player but not world class in my view.I dont use sentiment to judge Juventus players thankfully.Its just that biased people like you who think he is the 2nd coming of Jesus or something.And that silly first comment about the Supercoppa clearly proves that.

FYI i really like Marchisio as a player and has given a lot to this team.In this age having home-grown class players is always important.Its just that his hypers annoy me sometimes and give him way too much credit for what he does.
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Post by Fuzail Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:01 pm

I am sorry "S" but Marchisio has great positioning. Everyone prefers Pogba because you can see him dribbling, crossing and scoring

But Juve do not need that from their midfield, vidal already does that

Marchisio changes the Juve midfield completely, we control the opposition they have no chance of getting out until we get ourselves in front of goal

I will tell you of a few simple things that Marchisio does

1. Guard Pirlo
Withour Marchisio, Pirlo loses the ball and does not have neough time to give his amazing passes. Marhcisio along with Vidal steal the ball and supply it to Pirlo

2. Short Passes
I don't know if it is due to his inability to dribble past players or not, but Marchisio gets the ball rolling with a lot of short passes that start our game and allow us to dominate.

3. Keeps possesion
Marchisio does not lose the ball cheaply, he changes sides, passes it back or does anything besides losing position

4. Steals possesion
We have seen it countless times

5. Combines
The main reason I prefer Marchisio is because of his one twos, triangles and basically great passing with everyone

Pogba on the other hand is just a good looking player. Our midfield is weaker without him but our attack is weaker with Marchisio

Pogba is not even like Marchisio, he like Vidal

So replacing Marchisio and Pogba should not even be fighting for the position

In my opinion Pogba needs to replace Pirlo slowly but surely

Pirlo provides almost nil input in defence and that is why for Pogba to replace him seems ideal

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Post by juventus101 Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:21 pm

Marchisio played SS for around 5 games only, definitely not more than 8-9. I watch every single Juve game so dont try to tell me my opinion is false. Marchisio is world class and better than Pogba at every aspect except long passing. People also forget that Marchisio is a great dribbler, he just doesnt do it much because hed rather play it safe (and smart) and simply pass or play a one-two. And the Supercoppa, yes he only played 15 minutes but in tjose 15 minutes he was our best player. Hes also been consistently one kf our best performers over the years including this season.
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Post by Valkyrja Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:28 pm

He's a legit world-class B2B midfielder. One of the best in the world, and very underrated
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Post by djfawnz Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:34 pm

he is very underrated, and one of the best b2b midfielders in the world. A friend of mine told me he would love Marchisio in Real Madrid and to think about it he would fit perfectly in that team
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Post by Juventude Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:46 pm

S wrote:
juventus101 wrote:Last season he was "quiet" because he did alot more defensive work than usual, allowing Vidal to attack more. Still had some awesome attacking moments though and defensively was a rock.
He was quiet last season because he had to do more defensive work than Vidal by playing in the SS position ? Thanks for exposing yourself.I thought he had a good first half of the season but was very average in the 2nd half in which half of the games where he played SS and looked atrocious.

Anyways he's rated fine by me.Great player but not world class in my view.I dont use sentiment to judge Juventus players thankfully.Its just that biased people like you who think he is the 2nd coming of Jesus or something.And that silly first comment about the Supercoppa clearly proves that.

FYI i really like Marchisio as a player and has given a lot to this team.In this age having home-grown class players is always important.Its just that his hypers annoy me sometimes and give him way too much credit for what he does.
I agree completely with this post. Good player, but not superb or world class by any means. In my opinion, he has disappeared in major European matches and that has pissed me off. He was completely overrun by Bayern when he had the ball last year and he seemed invisible at other times. I love that he is Juve through and through, but I refuse to get carried away with over-rating his skill set.
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