Re: Forum Milan Channel: LIVE!

by Guest Sun 18 Sep 2011 - 23:47

tonger wrote:i dont understand why its so difficult to admit that we dont have a top midfield.... we will start winning games, because we are milan, but its not gonna be because our midfield will become creative all the sudden, its because players like ibra and robinho will be back....

BUT until we fix the problem in the midfield, serie A is never a sure thing, and UCL will definitely be out of reach.

good point tonger ... eventually i think, and i hope things will get better, but in general like tonger said, even if we have full available squad, we have problems with some individuals who arent really suited or meant to be in our club, and eventually will show flaws that would cost game.

its because some of our talents and veteran players we have won, but compared to european elites we are way down, and have serious catching up to do.

by Arquitecto Sun 18 Sep 2011 - 23:47

PinePHresh wrote:
Fadi wrote:yes, ys, i'd like to hear how people are going to defend allegri and his stupid decisions from now on!, 2 games 1 point playing like crap..

i know that napoli were on hot form but still, losing 1-3 is *bleep* unacceptable!, dummy allegri is killing me!, bonera as LB????, seriously??, and why the hell wait 75 minutes to give Elshaarawi a chance??, the game was pretty much over with napoli gathering at the back and playing counter??, he'd have been perfect from the start or even at the begenning of the second half, this is driving me crazy, he did very well giving the circumstances....F U allegri..

and btw, pato will never be the best striker in the world or anything, he'll just be another "could've been" player, nothing more...

i'm mad as hell right now..

People don't appreciate Fadi's contributions mostly because of the callous, pessimistic nature of his posts. However, he does raise valid points and assesses the teams flaws.

Bonera started at left back when two left backs sat on the bench. Bonera committed a silly foul outside the penalty area that led to Napoli's goal. That was a poor selection by Allegri imo.

El Shaarawy should have come on much sooner. As we saw vs Barcelona, 70% possession means nothing if you don't use it. Cassano, Pato, and Aquilani were poor today.

Antonini is notorious in failing against counter-attacking sides
Zambrotta can only play once a week or else there will be fatigue.

Bonera sadly was the best possible choice.

And like I said I like fadi but he really is questionable
sometimes.

And jeps, you know how much i respect
you as I did not point you out.

My point is some posters let their emotions cloud their judgement all to many times.

And yes i do admit our mid is slower then mertesacker. But allegro does well to compromise. But we will reinforce in winter as this is a guarantee

by Ganso Sun 18 Sep 2011 - 23:48

guys,the first game was lazio...second game was Napoli,chillex

by BiasedMilanFan3 Sun 18 Sep 2011 - 23:48

Well Montolivop has said he won't sign an extension so if Fiorentina want money they'll have to sell him in Jan to us

WILL THAT MAKE SOME OF YOU HAPPY?

by BiasedMilanFan3 Sun 18 Sep 2011 - 23:49

Ganso wrote:guys,the first game was lazio...second game was Napoli,chillex

And play Barcelona in between...

by tonger Sun 18 Sep 2011 - 23:50

i have said aquilani was our best midfielder today, and i also said in this thread that my "midfield" criticism was directed at seedorf mvb and nocerino

ya we looked into the signings, ya the club realize its a problem, but me stating that it is a problem, is that really a bad thing?

by tonger Sun 18 Sep 2011 - 23:53

and come on, dun tell me you dun see that 9/10 times when cassano or pato gets the ball, they start running out of options because its always 2 or 3 vs 5 or 6, what can the forwards do in situations like these, not everyone is a messi...

look from the tone of your post, i sense you are offended, im sorry if i offended you some how, but im just saying what i see is the problem in our team that is all, and im not a pessmistic fan either, ive been around this forum and the old one for a lonnnng time, and i assure u people whos been here for a long time can tell you that im not the type of the fan u clearly think i am

by PinePHresh Sun 18 Sep 2011 - 23:53

Arquitecto wrote:
PinePHresh wrote:
Arquitecto wrote:I guess no one understands how this formation
is completely not suited to pato a single bit?

2 SS cannot play in this formation.

And lol at the knee jerks.

And fadi, you said if you draw Barca you would be off the forums for good.

Nothing to worry about at all considering the injury circumstances. Trust me.

I would not call Pato a second striker at this point. He is a lethal finisher who can also play as a winger, but in terms of creativity and passing he is lacking.

If Pato were a second striker in this system, then we would have no chance in any match, in which Ibrahimovic does not play.

I can name dozens of games where pato has been creative.

If people actually knew pato they would know that he thrives playing off
a CF just like any other small forward/SS

Anyway this forums mood is only influenced by current status and nothing else. Seen it all and proved everyone wrong last year.

See you guys next match.

Perhaps there is simply a miscommunication. A difference in definition. To me, Pato is a goalscorer first, a creator second. IMO that makes him more of a center forward. Two center forwards can play together when there is a creator behind them. Hence why Pato and Ibra can play in a 4-3-1-2.

Is Ibrahimovic our only center forward? That would be a great flaw in the design of the team by Galliani and management.

by BiasedMilanFan3 Sun 18 Sep 2011 - 23:53

You criticized that "no one" makes runs and then our goal comes from making a run

I'm not saying that you calling the midfield is a problem, It's just a very obvious problem that Milan have been working on for years now

by PinePHresh Sun 18 Sep 2011 - 23:59

Arquitecto wrote:

Well be back. I don't care what anyone really thinks here

Then why do you post if you do not care for the contributions of others? You call it pessimism ad nauseam. Perhaps it it is simply an objective critique of the team we all support.

I post when Milan lose, and I notice a flaw in the side. I post when I have an opinion on a potential lineup. I post in celebration of a victory and give praise to those who deserve it.

It's not pessimism. It's not blind optimism. It's objectivity and realism. We are feeling down about the loss. When we beat Udinese on Wednesday, the forum will be in celebration once more.

by tonger Mon 19 Sep 2011 - 0:01

okay man, i watched the game and i saw the goal scored by aquilani from cassano, if you really want me to change my words ill do it

"lack of runs from our midfield today is very costly"

does that make you happy?....

im aware who we are related to in the transfer market, and im aware who is ACTUALLY in this team, this problem is not recent, and like i said its been a hole since kaka left and everyone knows this, i love milan, and i enjoy watching milan winning trophies, thats why i say what i say

look i dont want to have non-constructive arguments with fellow milan fans so if this does not make you happy either, i will just stop replying to your posts.

EDIT: for the record

"abate frustrated me today, his made alot of attempts at crossing, but most of them ends up no where, again this has to do with 2 strikers vs 5, 6 or 7 napoli players because our midfield (mvb seedorf nocerino) DO NOT PARTICIPATE"

this is what i posted earlier, and i just decided typing mvb seedorf and nocerino everytime is not worth the time, and so i labelled them "midfield"

by tonger Mon 19 Sep 2011 - 0:02

PinePHresh wrote:
It's not pessimism. It's not blind optimism. It's objectivity and realism. We are feeling down about the loss. When we beat Udinese on Wednesday, the forum will be in celebration once more.

god bless

by Arquitecto Mon 19 Sep 2011 - 0:07

PinePHresh wrote:
Arquitecto wrote:
PinePHresh wrote:
Arquitecto wrote:I guess no one understands how this formation
is completely not suited to pato a single bit?

2 SS cannot play in this formation.

And lol at the knee jerks.

And fadi, you said if you draw Barca you would be off the forums for good.

Nothing to worry about at all considering the injury circumstances. Trust me.

I would not call Pato a second striker at this point. He is a lethal finisher who can also play as a winger, but in terms of creativity and passing he is lacking.

If Pato were a second striker in this system, then we would have no chance in any match, in which Ibrahimovic does not play.

I can name dozens of games where pato has been creative.

If people actually knew pato they would know that he thrives playing off
a CF just like any other small forward/SS

Anyway this forums mood is only influenced by current status and nothing else. Seen it all and proved everyone wrong last year.

See you guys next match.

Perhaps there is simply a miscommunication. A difference in definition. To me, Pato is a goalscorer first, a creator second. IMO that makes him more of a center forward. Two center forwards can play together when there is a creator behind them. Hence why Pato and Ibra can play in a 4-3-1-2.

Is Ibrahimovic our only center forward? That would be a great flaw in the design of the team by Galliani and management.

Pine I simply have pointed out that Pato does have creativity although his passing should be more sharp.

Pato is not a CF by any means or any spectrum. His type of position is a small forward to a false 9.
He is in the mold of Aguero but like aguero, Pato will be less effective when not around a CF like Aguero is nonexistent when forlan was absent.

Ibra the only CF/S? There was inzaghi but he is injured which is why there is consistent talk of need for a vice Ibra which we did not aquire.

But yes the mid must be refreshed as only then pato and co. will receive
proper service.

by Chagur Mon 19 Sep 2011 - 7:44

tonger wrote:
PinePHresh wrote:
It's not pessimism. It's not blind optimism. It's objectivity and realism. We are feeling down about the loss. When we beat Udinese on Wednesday, the forum will be in celebration once more.

god bless

We can't even catch our breath, every 3 days we have a game. Really a very tough period for the team

by pUsHa Mon 19 Sep 2011 - 11:56

Does somebody have any highlights with Shaarawy !?

by tonger Mon 19 Sep 2011 - 23:21

Chagur wrote:
tonger wrote:
PinePHresh wrote:
It's not pessimism. It's not blind optimism. It's objectivity and realism. We are feeling down about the loss. When we beat Udinese on Wednesday, the forum will be in celebration once more.

god bless

We can't even catch our breath, every 3 days we have a game. Really a very tough period for the team

ya, with all the injuries we have right now, and in the a period filled with tough fixtures, not exactly the ideal situation here..... we'll pull through Smile

by BiasedMilanFan3 Tue 20 Sep 2011 - 13:07

Anyone know when our first Italian Cup game is?
I wanna see more of our young'uns play

by Chagur Tue 20 Sep 2011 - 13:24

BiasedMilanFan3 wrote:Anyone know when our first Italian Cup game is?
I wanna see more of our young'uns play

I guess in January

by dostoevsky Tue 20 Sep 2011 - 13:29

Either December of January, we start in the Round of 16 against either Catania or Novara.

This shows which big teams we're likely to meet throughout the knockouts if we win. http://www.legaseriea.it/it/tim-cup/calendario-e-risultati/tabellone-tim-cup-2011/2012

by Grande_Milano Tue 20 Sep 2011 - 17:18

Allegri said Boateng and Ibra will be ready by match with Juve :coffee:

Inzaghi also ready to play now :coffee:

by Chagur Wed 21 Sep 2011 - 8:30

by Guest Wed 21 Sep 2011 - 8:42

Seedorf again :facepalm:

by S Wed 21 Sep 2011 - 8:50

I was actually looking forward to this match since Milan are entertaining a quality side in Udinese also want to catch a glimpse of the Romanian Messi aka Gabriel Torje but Juve-Bologna is playing at the same time unfortunately..

And Allegri's persistence on Seedorf in the starting lineup is well-known..This should be great game anyways..

Also Brigate is that you in your sig ? :coffee:

by Guest Wed 21 Sep 2011 - 8:57

It's Zambrotta

by S Wed 21 Sep 2011 - 9:01

Fail on my part..He doesnt look like Zambrotta at all from this pic..Or the shades has decieved me..

by BiasedMilanFan3 Wed 21 Sep 2011 - 9:04

Surag.Blueguy wrote:Fail on my part..He doesnt look like Zambrotta at all from this pic..Or the shades has decieved me..

I thought it was Favalli...

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