The 1 and only criticism of Marotta and Paratici....

salmano9 wrote:Pogba > verratti

Too different at they're at different stages. I would rate Verratti higher only because he has cemented a starting place at his team and has put together a very impressive season. Pogba has been great too and for value I prefer Pogba because he was signed on a free and his potential is incredible, I think better than Verratti's potential

Juventude wrote:I understand your points, Juvellinapoli, but I just disagree with reaching your conclusion at this point in time.  I just think it will be fairer to judge Juve's policies towards purchasing prospects in 2-3 years.  

It doesn't make sense to criticize Marotta now because it is unknown how some of our players will develop and whether our purchase policies will change now that we are financially stable and profitable.  Plus, I don't agree with your definitive negative conclusions about some of our youth players.  It's far too early for me or anyone else on this forum to conclude that they won't develop into great players.  

I am not trying to be argumentative, you are behaving very gentlemen-like, and seem like a good guy; I can understand your point of view, and respect it, but have to disagree, waiting 2-3 years will solve nothing. I am not criticizing Marotta, he and Paratici have done a great job; rebuilt a team from mediocrity to the previously-established levels!! I would have Fabio Paratici focus solely on youth purchases, as he clearly has a knack for it, and bring in a young hot-shot to work with Marotta

Luca wrote:

salmano9 wrote:Pogba > verratti

Too different at they're at different stages. I would rate Verratti higher only because he has cemented a starting place at his team and has put together a very impressive season. Pogba has been great too and for value I prefer Pogba because he was signed on a free and his potential is incredible, I think better than Verratti's potential

What kind of argument is this ? He dint 'cement' anything.He made just 23 starts in the league.Thats not 'cementing' for me.And you cant compare the competition in midfield at bloody PSG to the competition in Juventus.

EDIT : If you mean his season in Serie B,that really hardly means anything.

Surag wrote:

Luca wrote:

salmano9 wrote:Pogba > verratti

Too different at they're at different stages. I would rate Verratti higher only because he has cemented a starting place at his team and has put together a very impressive season. Pogba has been great too and for value I prefer Pogba because he was signed on a free and his potential is incredible, I think better than Verratti's potential

What kind of argument is this ? :scratch:He dint 'cement' anything.He made just 23 starts in the league.Thats not 'cementing' for me.And you cant compare the competition in midfield at bloody PSG to the competition in Juventus.

EDIT : If you mean his season in Serie B,that really hardly means anything.

23 starts in the league, plus he featured in the champions league more often than Pogba did if I'm not mistaken.
And obviously I understand the difference between Psg's midfield and Juventus' midfield. I'm not saying the competition is the same but he still played more in his first year at Paris than Pogba did at Juve, so I see him as more proven.

The argument is rather simple. He made more appearances than pogba did last year at a very big club and did very well for himself. So right now in terms of progress I rate Verratti higher. Unless you think that Pogba's role is near his maturity. Then by all means. I'm sure if Pogba makes 23 starts in Serie A this season everyone will be pleased.

Luca wrote:I'm not saying the competition is the same but he still played more in his first year at Paris than Pogba did at Juve, so I see him as more proven.

Again dont understand this statement.So you're going to judge midfielders on who's played more regardless of looking at their performances ? Pogba has Vidal,Marchisio and Pirlo ahead of him.Verratti has freaking Motta who had injury issues otherwise Motta would've started over him.Did you even watch PSG last year to describe his season as a 'very good' season ?
You cant describe somebody as 'more proven' when the difference in appearances is not that big.If Pogba had 10 appearances for instance and Verratti had 35 appearances then i would've agreed with you.And in the three games Pogba played in the Champions league,he looked very impressive so its not his fault he cant get into the midfield as easily as Verratti can.
And yes,i predict he'll make atleast 25 appearances in the league next season.

BOTH are at an equal level right now ,you cant say one is more proven than the other.

18 starts in Serie A for Pogba to 23 starts in Ligue 1 for Verratti.

3 starts in CL for Pogba to 6 starts in CL for Verratti.

Thats not that big a difference in game-time for me.Also considering that Pogba earned a call-up for France with his impressive showing for Juve and put in impressive performances for his NT too.

Yeah Pogba for me is currently better, obviously they're in different roles but Pogba was just superb in almost every aspect when he played most of the time.

Verratti is a great talent, but if the commentators were right in the RM - PSG game, Verratti was the player who was beaten/dribbled past the MOST in the top leagues.

Surag wrote:18 starts in Serie A for Pogba to 23 starts in Ligue 1 for Verratti.

3 starts in CL for Pogba to 6 starts in CL for Verratti.

Thats not that big a difference in game-time for me.Also considering that Pogba earned a call-up for France with his impressive showing for Juve and put in impressive performances for his NT too.

And Verratti has done the same with Italy. In any case, I believe that Verrati's progress edges Pogba's currently
But yeah, I was under the impression that the difference in game time was a bit larger to be honest. Laziness on my part
I guess what I was also originally trying to say is that Verratti is more significant to PSG than Pogba is to Juventus at this moment in time- mainly because of the competition in Juventus' midfield as already pointed out and acknowledged.

He has.In any case its too early to say one is more 'proven' than the other because both havent actually had consistent amount of game time in their careers at a top level so far in my opinion.
Lets wait and see next season how both progress.Both are exciting talents in their own right and both have the potential to become the backbone of their respective countries going into the future.

Juvellinapoli wrote:

Juventude wrote:I understand your points, Juvellinapoli, but I just disagree with reaching your conclusion at this point in time.  I just think it will be fairer to judge Juve's policies towards purchasing prospects in 2-3 years.  

It doesn't make sense to criticize Marotta now because it is unknown how some of our players will develop and whether our purchase policies will change now that we are financially stable and profitable.  Plus, I don't agree with your definitive negative conclusions about some of our youth players.  It's far too early for me or anyone else on this forum to conclude that they won't develop into great players.  

I am not trying to be argumentative, you are behaving very gentlemen-like, and seem like a good guy; I can understand your point of view, and respect it, but have to disagree, waiting 2-3 years will solve nothing. I am not criticizing Marotta, he and Paratici have done a great job; rebuilt a team from mediocrity to the previously-established levels!! I would have Fabio Paratici focus solely on youth purchases, as he clearly has a knack for it, and bring in a young hot-shot to work with Marotta

I have to be gentleman-like because I'm the old man of this forum. By the way, I appreciate your posts. You are raising some interesting debate topics that are a nice break from some of the other posts.

Yeah, Super conversation gentlemen. Thoroughly enjoyed it.