Re: Gareth Bale transfer saga

by Crimson Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:31 pm

sportsczy wrote:I think Flo's feelings got hurt with Neymar and he wants to outsplash Barca in the summer... it may sound dumb. But Flo always wants Madrid to be seen as the big dog in Spain in terms of perception.

Completely messes up the roster though. A very good player or two are going to be sacrificed as a result of Bale coming imo. I don't even see it tactically yet unless CR7 goes to CF... which Carlo said he won't do. So who the frak knows.

The way he has been playing in friendlies sets us up nicely for a 442 diamond with 2 wide forwards ahead of a playmaker, with suitable options in midfield for a more defensive playstyle if needed, something similar to Ancelotti's first year at Chelsea. Ancelotti as we all know always has a secondary formation as well, so that will be interesting to see how it plays out.

If he continues on this path we are going to have one very attacking first 11.

by Lex Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:31 pm

The nob nibbling is reaching monumental proportions

by sportsczy Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:31 pm

And the other concern about moving CR7 to CF to accommodate Bale... does CR7's ego get hurt? Does he start feeling that Madrid value Bale more than him?

This is not as silly as it sounds, believe me.

by Onyx Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:32 pm

Probably something like:

-----Ronaldo---Bale
--Isco--------------Ozil
--------Modric--*

*Illarramendi/Casemiro/Khedira

Benzema's unfortunately the favourite to get benched in the current system.

by FennecFox7 Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:33 pm

It's ok.. ronaldo will be his mentor :coffee:

by sportsczy Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:35 pm

I think Isco can be better than Modric as the CM and it would allow Ozil to return central (he struggles on the right). Bale and CR7 can be the wing striker and Benz can dezone to his heart's content since CR7 and Bale would trample over him if he stayed in the box anyhow Laughing

It puts everyone more in their natural positions other than Isco and fits a little better.

In the other scenario, Ozil and CR7 are playing out of their preferred positions.

by Onyx Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:37 pm

Isco's not really a CM. Not really a dictating player. Just someone who drops deep to pick up the ball or maybe starts off deep.

by halamadrid2 Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:37 pm

sportsczy wrote:And the other concern about moving CR7 to CF to accommodate Bale... does CR7's ego get hurt? Does he start feeling that Madrid value Bale more than him?

This is not as silly as it sounds, believe me.

i think we will see the formation we saw against LaGalaxy but with bale taking kakas place I think. God knows what will happen to benz then who has looked really good in the past two games. Dimaria, ozil and isco will fight for the two playmaker positions who all deserve to be starters. Dimaria has an advantage in that he is extremely versatile. I can see Ozil suffering here who has mastered one position and is below pat/average in all others

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:38 pm

Bale loves Ronaldo lol..... i think he would do what ever CR tells him to do Laughing

by sportsczy Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:38 pm

Isco can be anything he wants imo. Easily the most impressive player in the preseason for Madrid. I am most amazed at his work rate... he really runs out there.

by Crimson Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:38 pm

Yohan Modric wrote:Probably something like:

-----Ronaldo---Bale
--Isco--------------Ozil
--------Modric--*

*Illarramendi/Casemiro/Khedira

Benzema's unfortunately the favourite to get benched in the current system.

The way the three have been set up so far in training and friendlies it will be something like

Isco------Modric
----Illarra

Illarra for Casemiro or Alonso
Isco or Modric for Khedira and or Illarra/Casemiro if tactically needed

Going forward

Ronaldo---Bale
-------Ozil

Ozil for Isco, Jese, Di Maria, Kaka
Bale/Ronaldo for Benzema, Morata, Jese

But I have no idea how he will form his secondary formation as of yet so who knows, we will find out more later I guess. This is only based on how the teams have been set up thus far and only if he feels this is actually working.

by sportsczy Sat Aug 03, 2013 12:06 pm

The Times is reporting that Flo and Levy are meeting in Madrid on Wednesday. Spurs want 120 mil but Madrid refuse to pay a penny more than 100 mil according to the article.

by Onyx Sat Aug 03, 2013 12:57 pm

Apparently the fee could be €120m with it being paid over 6 years, according to AS. The first payment would be €20m.

Levy doesn't want any players and just wants money.

by Crimson Sat Aug 03, 2013 1:19 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Bale is the best match winner outside of CR, Messi and Neymar?

I have to say i disagree tbh.

Bale's goals earned Spurs 25 points from 65. This is 38.5% of total. (+a game in hand)
In comparison, RVP earned 21 points from 85. This is 24.7%. Suarez - only 12, which is 21.8% of team's total.
And at the same time both of them scored more, than Gareth.

by sportsczy Sat Aug 03, 2013 1:27 pm

Crim... how about Cavani, Falcao, Ibra and Lewandowski? You have those too? It would be pretty interesting.

It's an impressive stat for Bale because he doesn't score 30+ goals like the others.

by Onyx Sat Aug 03, 2013 1:31 pm

Jose Mourinho has revealed that he tried to persuade Real Madrid to sign Gareth Bale last year.

"I asked the club to buy him last season but it was not possible," said Mourinho.

"It looks like it is happening this season so I am happy for them because they get a fantastic player but, of course, the numbers are huge numbers and the kid has to go now and there's pressure to prove that he's worth that investment."

Mourinho believes Bale would have flourished in his Real side and expects his successor Carlo Ancelotti to make the most of the Welshman's talents if he moves to Spain.

"I think he's a fantastic player and the way my Real Madrid was playing, I think it was an easy player to fill a space and to get into that tactical dynamic," said Mourinho.

"I don't know what Carlo is thinking now but Carlo is an experienced coach and for sure will get the best out of him."

by Crimson Sat Aug 03, 2013 1:34 pm

sportsczy wrote:Crim... how about Cavani, Falcao, Ibra and Lewandowski? You have those too? It would be pretty interesting.

It's an impressive stat for Bale because he doesn't score 30+ goals like the others.

I would have to work it out, give me some time lol

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sat Aug 03, 2013 1:37 pm

Crimson wrote:
Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Bale is the best match winner outside of CR, Messi and Neymar?

I have to say i disagree tbh.

Bale's goals earned Spurs 25 points from 65. This is 38.5% of total. (+a game in hand)
In comparison, RVP earned 21 points from 85. This is 24.7%. Suarez - only 12, which is 21.8% of team's total.
And at the same time both of them scored more, than Gareth.

Being a match winner in the league is a big difference between being a match winner in the CL tbf.

I think a few of the Bayern and Dortmund players would argue against that.

I know Neymar hasn't played in the CL yet but we have all seen what he can do at International level.

Bale is clutch but i think there's a few i'd have over him, that's just me though.

by Crimson Sat Aug 03, 2013 2:24 pm

sportsczy wrote:Crim... how about Cavani, Falcao, Ibra and Lewandowski? You have those too? It would be pretty interesting.

It's an impressive stat for Bale because he doesn't score 30+ goals like the others.

Falcao - 31 from 76 = 40% of total and scored 28 goals

Cavani - 19 from 78 = 24% of total and scored 29 goals

Lewandowski - 16 from 66 = 24% of total and scored 24 goals

Ibrahimovic - 27 from 83 = 32% of total and scored 30 goals

Compared to what i previously said

Bale's goals earned Spurs 25 points from 65. This is 38.5% of total. (+a game in hand)
In comparison, RVP earned 21 points from 85. This is 24.7%. Suarez - only 12, which is 21.8% of team's total.
And at the same time both of them scored more, than Gareth.

by Onyx Sat Aug 03, 2013 2:27 pm

Marca now saying Bale will cost around €100m, which will be paid in 5 instalments.

Spurs won't receive more than €25m this Summer.

by Crimson Sat Aug 03, 2013 2:29 pm

Yohan Modric wrote:Marca now saying Bale will cost around €100m, which will be paid in 5 instalments.

Spurs won't receive more than €25m this Summer.

When will people stop quoting MARCA, it's like quoting The Sun from the UK

by cyberman Sat Aug 03, 2013 3:48 pm

Bale earned more pints because there aren't as many match winners at spurs. Michu at Swansea prob had ridiculous stats before Swansea fell off. Rvp has them stats despite burning out and not scoring for 8/9 games.
Stats mean nothing.. Bale had a great second half of last year but people forget that it's was rvp and shares dominating the talk of player of the year at the start of February.
This transfer is quite simply ridiculous... And disgusting at the same time

by cyberman Sat Aug 03, 2013 3:49 pm

That was meant to be Suarez lol

by sportsczy Sat Aug 03, 2013 3:57 pm

So i guess Liverpool finished ahead of Spurs..... oh wait lol.

Ignore the facts people... ignore them! Stick with that completely subjective gut feeling no matter what!!

by The_Badger Sat Aug 03, 2013 3:59 pm

sportsczy wrote:Ignore the facts people... ignore them! Stick with that completely subjective gut feeling no matter what!!

That's exactly what you and Crimson do; make up facts and figures in an attempt to validate your opinions.

by Le Samourai Sat Aug 03, 2013 4:20 pm

It's plain to see that Tottenham had none else to score for them for a large portion of the season. Naturally, Bale accounts for a larger percentage of their goals/game winners. I don't know if this is supposed to be some type of revelation.

Michu probably has similar numbers.

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