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Post by RealGunner Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:57 am

JGUNZ wrote:
GoonerJay29 wrote:Said it before, but Bernard would be a strange signing. It'd be a lot of money for a player who'd play a squad role at best during a World Cup year. Cazorla/Wilshere/Walcott would presumably be first choice and Podolski/Rosicky/Chamberlain would be the back-up trio. Bernard can cover all three roles but only way he gets in the squad is if there's an injury to one of the six or if we had to play Wilshere or Chamberlain in centre midfield.

No matter how you look at it, somebody will end up missing out. Only other way for everyone to get a fair crack at the whip is if we don't sign a striker and use Podolski as competition/rotation/back up for Giroud instead of as a left sided forward. That way Bernard would become direct backup/rotation for Cazorla.

But I don't think any of us would want that to happen.

none of these guys can keep Bernard out of the starting line up,,, kid is that good.

I highly doubt Bernard will keep Wilshere out.

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Post by Chumlum Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:18 am

Bernard is better than Cazorla+Mata+Silva+Oscar to the Gotze-th power. He will save us. He will either assist himself on all of the four dozen goals he will score each season, or he will assist the assist. He will play 27.8 key passes per game (on average). He will tame the wild beast that is Suarez. In the off-season, he reads bedtime stories to children in hospitals.

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Post by McAgger Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:21 am

GoonerJay29 wrote:Tony Barrett of the times has also said we've bid £40,000,001 for Suarez. It's been rejected.

It seems to be that having made that bid, Liverpool must now inform Suarez that we're interested. It's then down to Suarez to say if he's interested in the move or not. The Guardian article suggests that Suarez can ask to open discussions with Arsene Wenger about the move. I'm not entirely sure on that, but regardless, Suarez must now be informed that we've made a bid.

From there, it remains complicated. Liverpool are adamant there's no release clause, but Suarez's agent seems to interpret the clause as allowing the player to leave if a bid of that amount is made and some sources are suggesting he may look for legal help on this issue. You'd imagine that the club would have the right of it here and if so, they'll remain free to determine their own asking price which is apparently £55mil.

So assuming things progress like that, we'll either have to pay up or hope that Suarez and his party push hard enough for the move to happen so Liverpool come down on their asking price. The worrying thing is that, according to David Orstien, Suarez isn't in any rush to do that because other parties are interested. If one of those happens to be Madrid, or even Chelsea, then Liverpool can easily ask for more. In that case, we'd be screwed.

That's how I understand it all, anyway.


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That is exactly the situation so if you want to know what is happening in reality, it is exactly this.
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Post by JGUNZ Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:33 am

ive watched quite a bit, way before he was linked to us, kid will be WC but what impresses me most about him is that he is fearless for his size and so direct,, im just so afraid that away at stoke on a rainy day he will get piledrive by shawcross

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Post by lenear1030 Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:35 am

GoonerJay29 wrote:Said it before, but Bernard would be a strange signing. It'd be a lot of money for a player who'd play a squad role at best during a World Cup year. Cazorla/Wilshere/Walcott would presumably be first choice and Podolski/Rosicky/Chamberlain would be the back-up trio. Bernard can cover all three roles but only way he gets in the squad is if there's an injury to one of the six or if we had to play Wilshere or Chamberlain in centre midfield.

No matter how you look at it, somebody will end up missing out. Only other way for everyone to get a fair crack at the whip is if we don't sign a striker and use Podolski as competition/rotation/back up for Giroud instead of as a left sided forward. That way Bernard would become direct backup/rotation for Cazorla.

But I don't think any of us would want that to happen.


Cazorla goes back to CAM/roaming role, Bernard starts at LW. He's not coming here to for a squad player bench role imho.
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Post by Chumlum Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:54 am

What if Wenger is planning a controversial, revolutionary 3-2-2-3

Szczesny
Sagna - Koscielny - Gibbs
Arteta - Ramsey
Cazorla - Wilshere
Walcott - Suarez - Bernard

Subs: Fabianski, Mertesacker, Jenks, Rosicky, Ox, Poldi, Giroud

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Post by RealGunner Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:57 am

Tried that on fifa. It works

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Post by Chumlum Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:59 am

The W-M formation, you tried? Or that line-up?
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Post by RealGunner Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:03 am

3-2-2-3 Razz

I made something similar to it few months ago. It worked but most matches ended up as 5-4, 6-4, 7-6.
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Post by RealGunner Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:05 am

Btw This is the 5th transfer rumours thread and looks like its going to reach its limit in a page or two Laughing

We have had 310 pages of discussion while just signing Yaya Sanogo, who we probably discuseed for like 2 pages max Laughing
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Post by Nishankly Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:54 am

Tbf Sanogo's fate is sealed, Not much discussion required. He'll either be a Yaya Sanogoal or a Yaya Sanolol.
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Post by VendettaRed07 Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:15 am

I think he'll be yaya onloango
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Post by Nishankly Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:16 am

onloango :bow:
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Post by Wilson37 Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:58 am

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Post by Wilson37 Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:36 am

John W. Henry @John_W_Henry (Liverpool owner) : ”What do you think they're smoking over there at Emirates?”

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Post by Lex Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:35 am

To put things into perspective, we're talking about the same guy who got duped into wasting a fortune on Stewart Downing because he saw a Youtube video showing him kicking a football into a bin............which turned out to be fake
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Post by Sri Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:57 am

With you Lex. I find his tweet/opinion rather disrespectful. People living in glass houses, etc. etc.

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Post by Jay29 Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:33 am

@LeGrove: Just being told Arsenal facing a dilemma on signing a 'Fellaini' type midfielder because they might need funds if Cesc becomes available...

I will facepalm hard if we end up prioritising Cesc over a defensive midfielder.

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Post by Lex Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:47 am

Arsenal attacker Gervinho close to £6.9m Roma move

The Serie A club are in advanced negotiations with the Gunners over a permanent move for the Ivory Coast international and could conclude talks in a meeting on Wednesday

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2892/transfer-zone/2013/07/24/4139587/arsenal-attacker-gervinho-close-to-69m-roma-move
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Post by Chumlum Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:18 pm

Possibility of Bernard staying at Atletico Mineiro on loan for a half-season before coming to Arsenal: http://gossip.ladyarse.com/arsenal/2013/07/24/bernard-may-go-back-on-loan-if-he-signs-for-arsenal/

And Arseblog has a good post elaborating his personal disapproval of the Suarez transfer, and all the virulence that has resulted in the wake of this affair: http://arseblog.com/2013/07/suarez-40000001-00-and-all-that/
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Post by abirking Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:24 pm

I read today's arseblog and it makes sense to me. People should learn to agree to disagree. WHether we like the Suaraz bid or not, everyone should keep it civil.

For me A DM, CB and Cesc will be good window as well. But highly unlikely that Barca will sell Cesc. Bernard is surplus to requirement if we get a striker or Cesc.
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Post by MarcoReus Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:37 pm

higuain agreed to go to napoli, 5 year contract... oh wells
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Post by urbaNRoots Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:46 pm

Arsenal representative Gushiken is in Brazil to watch tonight's Libertadores Final and complete Bernard's transfer.

http://www.espn.com.br/noticia/344308_ainda-indeciso-arsenal-envia-olheiro-para-acompanhar-bernard-na-final-da-libertadores
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Post by Kogallo Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:48 pm

MarcoReus wrote:higuain agreed to go to napoli, 5 year contract... oh wells

Damn! That's the player I most wanted to see at Arsenal. I just hope that decision doesn't come back to bite us
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:53 pm

GoonerJay29 wrote:@LeGrove: Just being told Arsenal facing a dilemma on signing a 'Fellaini' type midfielder because they might need funds if Cesc becomes available...

I will facepalm hard if we end up prioritising Cesc over a defensive midfielder.

Cesc in general makes no sense if the Suarez and Bernard reports have any validation to them....

Arteta Wilshere
Walcott Cazorla Bernard
Suarez

Where is the need for another attacking midfielder? it really sounds like Arsenal would be buying someone just to stop him from going somewhere else.

Not necessary at all if these other signings come off.

I wouldn't buy Fellaini either though, he's not a DM.
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Post by EL Patron Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:58 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
GoonerJay29 wrote:@LeGrove: Just being told Arsenal facing a dilemma on signing a 'Fellaini' type midfielder because they might need funds if Cesc becomes available...

I will facepalm hard if we end up prioritising Cesc over a defensive midfielder.

Cesc in general makes no sense if the Suarez and Bernard reports have any validation to them....

Arteta Wilshere
Walcott Cazorla Bernard
Suarez

Where is the need for another attacking midfielder? it really sounds like Arsenal would be buying someone just to stop him from going somewhere else.

Not necessary at all if these other signings come off.

I wouldn't buy Fellaini either though, he's not a DM.

Chelsea used to do it :coffee: 
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