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Post by Doc Mon Aug 09, 2021 2:40 am

I don't hate PSG at all, neither here nor there with them. I just know that they'll probably make a quarters or semis before unceremoniously getting KO'ed by a better team.

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Post by Myesyats Mon Aug 09, 2021 2:42 am

Meh. Messi wanted to leave last year, said so himself. His mind wasnt with barca anymore. Bartomeu is the only one at fault here but now he's gone. However, Messi also should have had the presence of mind to notice that getting a huge raise every year might be overkill and affects our wage structure negatively. At some point his salary became obscenely high and it just kept rising for some reason?

Laporta isnt at fault for this situation and I think he is handling it quite well so far.

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Post by titosantill Mon Aug 09, 2021 3:37 am

lool which person goes to their boss and says i'm making too much, especially when the person is leading his team in goals, assists, taking all the free kicks, the pks and corner kicks. at least when henry was doing that at arsenal guys like pires ljuinberg vieira et al were also putting in work. but this guy shud not ask for a raise when the guy's who arent doing a quarter of what he does are also earning good money? it doesnt compute
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Post by Lord Spencer Mon Aug 09, 2021 11:20 am

Until Qatar as a country keels over, PSG basically have infinite money to spend (relative to other clubs).

It's not the same with billionaires, PSG is basically a state apparatus at this point.

I don't understand how anyone doesn't see this as questionable at best. False equivalence comparisons to the rich clubs of the past are missing the point.

Wait until Saudi gets into the game and then you will have three gulf monarchies swinging their dicks using European clubs Very Happy
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Post by danyjr Mon Aug 09, 2021 2:11 pm

Can't believe anyone who isn't against QSG or City as rightly pointed out by @Lord Spencer being funded by a whole state, not owned and run by a small consortium or a millionaire. Can you really not see the whole Financial Fair Play has actually been detrimental to smaller clubs yet nothing but a day-rate lawyer/accountant's work to get around by the two state-run clubs?

The difference between richer and poorer clubs are getting wider and football is hurting and will continue to hurt even further as a result. And it is not just the big signings. It is the TV rights. It is the young talent poaching by the bigger clubs very early on, then sent on loan to other clubs. We have seen the development of too many young talents being hindered by such lack of stability. Just to give you an idea, a club like City had 43 players going out on loan last year.

Some of the posts here are a late-stage capitalism's dream, how one can have no foresight is beyond me.
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Post by Myesyats Mon Aug 09, 2021 2:43 pm

titosantill wrote:lool which person goes to their boss and says i'm making too much, especially when the person is leading his team in goals, assists, taking all the free kicks, the pks and corner kicks. at least when henry was doing that at arsenal guys like pires ljuinberg vieira et al were also putting in work. but this guy shud not ask for a raise when the guy's who arent doing a quarter of what he does are also earning good money? it doesnt compute

True, its not Messi's duty as a player to care about the club's finances. But paying such amounts to a single person was obvious to everyone around as being detrimental and living on the edge in terms of the wage structure.

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Post by Kaladin Mon Aug 09, 2021 3:50 pm

Myesyats wrote:Meh. Messi wanted to leave last year, said so himself. His mind wasnt with barca anymore. Bartomeu is the only one at fault here but now he's gone. However, Messi also should have had the presence of mind to notice that getting a huge raise every year might be overkill and affects our wage structure negatively. At some point his salary became obscenely high and it just kept rising for some reason?

Laporta isnt at fault for this situation and I think he is handling it quite well so far.


This ain't Messi's fault in no way, shape or form.

Buddy, you might as well be the Paella Crystal Palace with those horrendous new kits, just worsly run.

Cule rat culture is so ingrained in Barca supporters, you need mental gymnastics to see their reason. The socios are just as supsect as Bartomeu in this fiasco.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Mon Aug 09, 2021 5:11 pm

Ultimately the socios are most at fault of all. We all knew what Bartomeu was like and they voted him in anyways Laughing even after rossell had to step down in disgrace
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Post by Valkyrja Mon Aug 09, 2021 6:07 pm

So L1 is basically in shambles due to a shit TV deal and no money from matchday revenue but then we have PSG destroying the market ? Where does the money come from ? With the PL, we know that they have an insane TV deal that could facilitate these types of transactions, but PSG ? What have they ever done on the football field to warrant such transfers ? Since PSG's inception 10 years ago, they've won a few L1 titles and got embarrassed YoY in the CL. Where does the money come from ? What kind of sponsors do they have, what kind of financing mechanisms do they use ?

PS: by the way, people comparing our spending spree in the early 00s with this masqueraded don't know what they are talking about - we were the most successful football club in the world at the time, raised capital through the sale of assets to cover debt, and accessed bank debt for player purchases. not the same ball game as Qataris pumping money in a nothing club based in a nice city through shady sponsorships. we've never spent more than earned.
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Post by titosantill Mon Aug 09, 2021 7:28 pm

@myesyats messi has his fault in this too but nothing to do with wages. lets not forget some of the expensive signings bart simpson made was due to pressure from the club and messi to get a competitive squad after neymar left.....

and they would have been in even more debt had barca succeeded in signing neymar in 2019 when he wanted to come back. they'd have spent at least close to half a billion and his wages would cause problems too (and they were still fighting a court case with him). and that was a move messi and the barca fans n media wanted....same fans and media wanted griezmann when he did that first presser, now all of a sudden griezmann smells.

its easy to blame bart, but had he succeeded in the 2019 move barca fans, media, and in particular messi wanted, they'd have been worse financially......way worse, just imagine the transfer fee and his wages, together with messi's. everything bart did he did to appease messi and fans. the biggest blame he should get on his own , without anyone sharing it with him, is not selling messi for 200 mill last year....he didnt wanna be the guy who let messi leave and i get that
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Post by S Mon Aug 09, 2021 8:40 pm

The Demon of Carthage wrote:If they are found guilty of some FFP breach, I hope they get sanctioned. But until then, I can't blame them for trying to assemble the best possible team.


I don't think they will and that's my point. FFP has been farcical for teams that aren't pumping billions into their clubs.

All I see are very optimistic evaluations on how PSG are going to survive FFP. Most likely they're going to work a way around it through another shady sponsorship deal.

It's pure fantasy to think a club with the most recognizable players in the world are going to get sanctioned. The fact that PSG have now established close ties with UEFA further reinforces the point.

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Post by futbol_bill Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:09 pm

I say we wait and see how productive all these signing turn out to be. This is a team that every year they think they have an unbeatable lineup and yet they always come up short. And they come up short mainly because the so called stars of the team just don’t measure up. So they bring in 2 guys playing in their retirement. A portero that isn’t necessarily better than what they have. A RB that couldn’t make it on the questionable R. madrid squad and a midfielder that set the world on fire at Liverpool. I say the end result will be similar to last 3 or 4 years!

As a point of reference, when Madrid signed all of their galaticos, they achieved almost nothing, well in fairness there was 1CL over 6 years out of these investments
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Post by farfan Mon Aug 09, 2021 10:08 pm

I'm with Bill on this one.

The way they got completely outplayed by City leads me to believe that they need more than Messi and an extra utility midfielder like Wijnaldum to close that gap.
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Post by danyjr Mon Aug 09, 2021 10:42 pm

They weren't "outplayed" by City. First half of the first leg they should have buried the whole contest. Yet they conceded out of nowhere and suddenly didn't know how to manage the game any more.

Problem is they are all mental midgets and they lose their cohesion so easily. And of course it doesn't help building your mental strength when you play against substantially weaker teams 38 games a season in Ligue 1 yet having to step up in Europe all of a sudden.
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Post by Clutch Mon Aug 09, 2021 10:44 pm

Ya having winners like Ramos and Messi should help the team from imploding after conceding a goal

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Post by sportsczy Mon Aug 09, 2021 11:17 pm

Lille is the defending Ligue 1 champions as an FYI... and Lille has a record of 2 wins, 2 losses, and 1 draw in the last 5 official games v PSG.

Just so people are clear at how easy Ligue 1 is for PSG. Also, PSG has won 7 out of the last 10 Ligue 1 titles... Juve has 9 out of 10, Barca 5 out of 10, and Bayern 9 out of 10. Only EPL has parity in terms of winners.

Yeah.
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Post by farfan Mon Aug 09, 2021 11:39 pm

danyjr wrote: And of course it doesn't help building your mental strength when you play against substantially weaker teams 38 games a season in Ligue 1 yet having to step up in Europe all of a sudden.


This makes no sense since they didn't win the league and could have easily finished out of the top 3 Laughing

This argument needs to die already. What kind of resistance is Bayern dealing with in the league?
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Post by Nivash Tue Aug 10, 2021 3:56 am

farfan wrote:
danyjr wrote: And of course it doesn't help building your mental strength when you play against substantially weaker teams 38 games a season in Ligue 1 yet having to step up in Europe all of a sudden.


This makes no sense since they didn't win the league and could have easily finished out of the top 3 Laughing

This argument needs to die already. What kind of resistance is Bayern dealing with in the league?


Who have a similar tendency to implode when having to step up in the CL

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Post by farfan Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:32 am

Nivash wrote:
farfan wrote:
danyjr wrote: And of course it doesn't help building your mental strength when you play against substantially weaker teams 38 games a season in Ligue 1 yet having to step up in Europe all of a sudden.


This makes no sense since they didn't win the league and could have easily finished out of the top 3 Laughing

This argument needs to die already. What kind of resistance is Bayern dealing with in the league?


Who have a similar tendency to implode when having to step up in the CL


What the hell are you even talking about? Laughing Bayern are second only to Madrid in terms of CL success this past decade ( 4 finals 2 titles )
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Post by titosantill Tue Aug 10, 2021 6:15 am

good point about bayern, they only won the ucl with the treble like the season before last lol
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Post by Valkyrja Tue Aug 10, 2021 2:55 pm

sportsczy wrote:Lille is the defending Ligue 1 champions as an FYI... and Lille has a record of 2 wins, 2 losses, and 1 draw in the last 5 official games v PSG.

Just so people are clear at how easy Ligue 1 is for PSG. Also, PSG has won 7 out of the last 10 Ligue 1 titles... Juve has 9 out of 10, Barca 5 out of 10, and Bayern 9 out of 10. Only EPL has parity in terms of winners.

Yeah.


Barca had to work their asses off for their titles man, we've been head-to-head in each season bar a few. PSG Bayern and Juve are running away with the title every season lol
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Post by Winter is Coming Wed Aug 11, 2021 5:24 am

The Demon of Carthage wrote:No argument there. Madrid and Barça have absolutely no legs to stand on. We pillaged clubs for decades signing the best players for record fees and inflating the market like a motherfucker. We absolutely have no right to criticize PSG now.

titosantill wrote:even as a madrid fan i love sportsczy's last comment - it was cool for us and the other traditional big clubs to have their galactico eras but now its a crime for psg city and those other clubs to have theirs? people should focus on building their own team and quit this complaint nonsense. i bet the same fan was cheering on when they signed griezmann coutinho et al and psg didnt cry about that

The problem people have with PSG and City isn't exactly that they're assembling a super team or galactico, it's how their going about it. PSG and City can operated in an entire different planet to anyone else, even if some of the other top clubs were run well, PSG/City have a mere infinite amount of money, the clubs will never have issue because the owners can bail them out at anytime.

For example recently the accusation on City is that they're inflating there sponsorship deals or at least did so in the past when they first came into the scene, which is now being investigated by English FA, but I highly doubt it goes anywhere due to there power/money. I saw somewhere in the last 10 years City revenue was 1.7 billion, while Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea were around 1.1 billion, City revenue is bordering near Barcelona, RM and United revenue in the span of 10 years? These clubs took decades to get there. City barely even sell out there stadium, you barely see there merchandise globally, there is definitely something fishy at hand here.

Now every clubs has probably bended the rule or broken laws etc to get where they are, but City/PSG are going to go an another whole level with this that no one else unless owned by a country can.
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Post by sportsczy Wed Aug 11, 2021 5:56 am

Valkyrja wrote:
sportsczy wrote:Lille is the defending Ligue 1 champions as an FYI... and Lille has a record of 2 wins, 2 losses, and 1 draw in the last 5 official games v PSG.

Just so people are clear at how easy Ligue 1 is for PSG. Also, PSG has won 7 out of the last 10 Ligue 1 titles... Juve has 9 out of 10, Barca 5 out of 10, and Bayern 9 out of 10. Only EPL has parity in terms of winners.

Yeah.


Barca had to work their asses off for their titles man, we've been head-to-head in each season bar a few. PSG Bayern and Juve are running away with the title every season lol

PSG haven't really run away with their titles. I mentioned it in another post... but PSG have only won the league title prior to the final 5 games of the season three times in the last 10 years. Early on, they didn't have a super team as Pastore, Nene and Lavezzi were the top players. Then Monaco competed very hard when Ibra joined. After that, you had a couple of seasons that were relatively easy... but then Lille won last year.

Ligue 1 is really not all that easy. My issue with the league is the brand of football that most clubs play (that's changing thankfully) and the atrocious refereeing (you literally need to draw blood to get a foul).

Competitiveness is absolutely fine.

THAT SAID, the league needs another club to compete with PSG in terms of talent like Monaco did for 3 years there and not overachieve to beat them. Granted, that's not going to happen anytime soon. But I have more hope today that some big investor will take interest in the league and buy a club.
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Post by Warrior Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:06 pm

Not like there's any relevant footage of Ronaljuve in CL anyways
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Post by halamadrid2 Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:29 pm

Lol Uefa being bitter
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