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Post by BarrileteCosmico Tue May 13, 2014 9:23 pm

On his first day he said he wanted "a poor church for the poor" and its only now that he is turning socialist? Laughing

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Post by RedOranje Tue May 13, 2014 9:23 pm

El Chelsea Fuerte wrote:Now the Pope is sprouting out Socialist principles.

Time to shut up, buddy.
Yes, it's not as though the teachings upon which the entire Christian church are founded have any sort of socialist tones to them.  Rolling Eyes 
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Post by El Chelsea Fuerte Wed May 14, 2014 9:11 pm

RedOranje wrote:
El Chelsea Fuerte wrote:Now the Pope is sprouting out Socialist principles.

Time to shut up, buddy.
Yes, it's not as though the teachings upon which the entire Christian church are founded have any sort of socialist tones to them.  Rolling Eyes 

I'm sure there's an alternative viewpoint to that. Otherwise most American Christian conservatives would have a hard time defending themselves.

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Post by RedOranje Wed May 14, 2014 9:50 pm

Most do.
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Post by RealGunner Thu May 15, 2014 12:13 pm

El Chelsea Fuerte wrote:Now the Pope is sprouting out Socialist principles.

Time to shut up, buddy.

And what's wrong with that?
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Post by Shed Thu May 15, 2014 1:51 pm

I can scarcely conjure in my mind, filled as it is with over a decade's worth of education and teachings by a private, Catholic school, a single instance where 'God', or any of his supposed envoys or expositors, lent support for the systemic confiscation of one's earnings/holdings by a third party for the purpose of their being disseminated to those deemed (by whom, on what criteria, and on what authority on both counts aforesaid, I have no idea) more in need of it.

Charity and socialism are not synonymic. The voluntary giving of one's wealth, with the benefaction's size, recipient, and frequency all being decided by its giver, free of influence and unmolested, is not the same as a bureaucratic, state-mandated, state-run redistribution of the assets of and from those decreed less needing of it to those adjudged more so.

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Post by che Thu May 15, 2014 2:46 pm

oh for the love of god... is there no corner of the internet to escape from libertaryans?
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Post by El Chelsea Fuerte Thu May 15, 2014 9:46 pm

Shed wrote:I can scarcely conjure in my mind, filled as it is with over a decade's worth of education and teachings by a private, Catholic school, a single instance where 'God', or any of his supposed envoys or expositors, lent support for the systemic confiscation of one's earnings/holdings by a third party for the purpose of their being disseminated to those deemed (by whom, on what criteria, and on what authority on both counts aforesaid, I have no idea) more in need of it.

Charity and socialism are not synonymic. The voluntary giving of one's wealth, with the benefaction's size, recipient, and frequency all being decided by its giver, free of influence and unmolested, is not the same as a bureaucratic, state-mandated, state-run redistribution of the assets of and from those decreed less needing of it to those adjudged more so.


Aaand there's your alternative viewpoint/interpretation, Red.

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Post by RedOranje Thu May 15, 2014 9:56 pm

Unless, of course, that third party is the Church... in which case the entire history of Christianity is filled with instances of it.
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Post by Shed Thu May 15, 2014 10:22 pm

I'm not a Christian. Their hands are far from clean.
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Post by Art Morte Fri May 16, 2014 3:36 am

Pope Francis has been saying a lot of good, sensible things, giving the Church's values a much-needed update. It's just a pity that every non-conservative (what's the opposite of conservative anyway?) view he expresses probably brings him more enemies within the Church.
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Post by Forza Fri May 16, 2014 6:31 am

Art Morte wrote:Pope Francis has been saying a lot of good, sensible things, giving the Church's values a much-needed update. It's just a pity that every non-conservative (what's the opposite of conservative anyway?) view he expresses probably brings him more enemies within the Church.
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Post by jibers Sat May 17, 2014 9:16 am

LOL what a load of crap. Jesus specifically said in the Bible that only through him will you enter the gates of Heaven. Who the *bleep* is the pope? rofl

This guy is a clown. The Bible is not progressive. Jesus is the ultimate law when it comes to 'Christianity' be it Catholics or protestant. Some people....
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Post by The_Badger Sun May 25, 2014 5:10 pm

Are you a bad man jibers?

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