Re: German Goalkeeper Appreciation Thread

[Sushi Master]

Hildebrand had good promise back in the day, but sadly sort of flamed out. Too much club hopping, should have stayed in the Buli!

He's still great backup, though.

[rwo power]

Yeah. I wouldn't want him to displace the young guns Fährmann and Unnerstall either, but I'm glad to see him in a BL team again, if only as backup. Maybe now he can find a proper team where he can get first team action again, as I think he's a bit overqualified for being a third keeper.

[rwo power]

kicker.de published their ranking of the goalkeepers during the Hinrunde (1st half) of the Bundesliga:

World class:
- none

International class:
1. Manuel Neuer (Bayern München)
2. Bernd Leno (Bayer Leverkusen)
3. Roman Weidenfeller (Borussia Dortmund)
4. Marc-André ter Stegen (Borussia Mönchengladbach)
5. Sven Ulreich (VfB Stuttgart)

In the wider circle:
6. Ron-Robert Zieler (Hannover 96)
7. Lars Unnerstall (Schalke 04)
8. Simon Jentzsch (FC Augsburg)
9. Thomas Kraft (Hertha BSC)
10. Diego Benaglio (VfL Wolfsburg)
11. Michael Rensing (1. FC Köln)

In the sighting field:
Jaroslav Drobny (HSV)
Tom Starke (TSG 1899 Hoffenheim)
Kevin Trapp (1. FC Kaiserslautern)
Tim Wiese (Werder Bremen)

[la bestia negra]

RIP

[rwo power]

Oliver Kahn and Jens Lehmann trying to score goals.


Jens Lehmann - Doing it right




Oliver Kahn - Doing it wrong XD



Kahn: "And I thought the goalkeeper was allowed to use his hands in the penalty box..."

[la bestia negra]

Kahn: "And I thought the goalkeeper was allowed to use his hands in the penalty box..."

he has a point there

[rwo power]

Oh, I almost forgot - I wanted to post the kicker.de ranking of the Bundesliga goalkeepers for the first half of the season 2011/2012:



Source: http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/562529/2/slideshow_nummer_1_neuer_pariert_auch_lenos_angriff.html

[la bestia negra]

sometimes i wonder where would manuel neuer end up if

sir robert havent passed away

[rwo power]

Well, Neuer was always pretty good, but Adler was originally lined up to become the next German Nr.1. Robert Enke was 32 when he died, so he wouldn't have stayed the German Nr.1 for too many more years anyway.

Neuer profitted from Adler's injury, too, although he already proved his worth in the U21 World Cup. (Actually I preferred Neuer to Adler all the time and was a bit sad when I heard that Löw wanted Adler before Neuer).

[rwo power]

Marc-André ter Stegen



Before Marc-André ter Stegen guarded the goal of Borussia Mönchengladbach, they conceded an average of 2.21 (62/28) goals against per match in the Bundesliga season 2010/11. Right after Favre selected ter Stegen as GK, they only got 0.5 (3/6) goals against them in the remaining 6 matches of the last season.

Currently in 2011/12, BMG's defense only allowed 12 goals against in 21 matches, which is 0.57 goals against per match. And mind you, ter Stegen had his BL debut on that matchday 29 of BL season 2010/11 at only 18 years of age. As of now he has played 27 BL matches in his career, 13 of which he completed with a clean sheet.

ATM he is GK of the German U21 NT.

[Jack Daniels]

I moved this thread in Gen. Sec as it is too valuable for it to be removed with the other sections and threads.

[rwo power]

Andy Köpke stated this Saturday that at the moment the three goalkeepers for the Euro2012 campaign are Manuel Neuer (25), Tim Wiese (30) and Ron-Robert Zieler (23).

Tim Wiese will very likely be nominated as GK for the friendly against France which will be played in Wiese's home stadium in Bremen at Feb 29th, 2012.

Köpke also said that Löw wants to monitor all the German top GKs until he will nominate his Euro2012 squad in May and that he of course noticed ter Stegen's great season so far, too.

Source: http://www.transfermarkt.de/de/neuer-bei-em-im-tor--chance-fuer-wiese-gegen-frankreich/news/anzeigen_83433.html

[BAYERN_MUNICH]

ter stegen is atm the best in form keeper

[rwo power]

ter stegen is atm the best in form keeper

Bernd Leno isn't so shabby either. I hope he can hold his own well against Barca tomorrow!

[Arquitecto]

Am I the only one who rates Joe Hart considerably higher than any of these German keepers?


He is unreal.

[rwo power]

Am I the only one who rates Joe Hart considerably higher than any of these German keepers?

Yes

[Arquitecto]

Am I the only one who rates Joe Hart considerably higher than any of these German keepers?

Yes

You forgot the english media.

But honestly, I really don't see how Neuer or anyone else is better than Hart at the moment.

[rwo power]

Well, if you look at the defense stats here: https://goallegacy.forumotion.com/t16898-the-best-defense-in-europe

You have for the löeague matches in this season so far

BMG (ter Stegen) at 0.57 goals against/match
Dortmund (Weidenfeller) at 0.67 goals against/match
Bayern (Neuer) at 0.67 goals against/match
ManCity (Hart) at 0.79 goals against/match

[Arquitecto]

Well, if you look at the defense stats here: https://goallegacy.forumotion.com/t16898-the-best-defense-in-europe

You have for the matches in this season so far

BMG (ter Stegen) at 0.57 goals against/match
Dortmund (Weidenfeller) at 0.67 goals against/match
Bayern (Neuer) at 0.67 goals against/match
ManCity(Hart) at 0.79 goals against/match

Thanks for the stats.

But I cannot find myself agreeing that Ter Stegen and especially Weidenfeller have performed better than Hart (Stergen is arguable)

As for Neuer he hasn't exactly impressed me lately at all and I'd say TS is in better form.

As for Hart, I know you will hate this statement but he is playing in a higher level of football isn't he? (really sorry).

[rwo power]

I agree that Neuer had some gaffes lately, but usually he performed nicely when he actually got something to do. It looks as if he is still trying to get used to the lack of work at Bayern. Last match he was so bored he started chatting with the ballboy by the goal even XD

BTW, Neuer played an outstanding WC2010. Where was Hart there? And ManCity were kicked out of the CL. Bayern is still there. ^^

Weidenfeller is a pretty underrated GK. If you wonder why he never made to the German NT proper, it was mainly because he was always seen as rather outspoken and thus problematic. At Dortmund he benefits from the great defense with Hummels+Subotic, of course, but in cases of emergency he was always wide awake. Dortmund almost equalised the all-time best defensive record of Bayern last year for a reason.

Ter Stegen right now is a total beast. His big idol is Oliver Kahn and you can see it in the way he directs and shouts at his defense, no matter his young age. IMO he has the class to give Neuer a run for his money in pretty short time.


Ter Stegen doing a good Kahn impression

[Arquitecto]

I agree that Neuer had some gaffes lately, but usually he performed nicely when he actually got something to do. It looks as if he is still trying to get used to the lack of work at Bayern. Last match he was so bored he started chatting with the ballboy by the goal even XD

Weidenfeller is a pretty underrated GK. If you wonder why he never made to the German NT proper, it was mainly because he was always seen as rather outspoken and thus problematic. At Dortmund he benefits from the great defense with Hummels+Subotic, of course, but in cases of emergency he was always wide awake. Dortmund almost equalised the all-time best defensive record of Bayern last year for a reason.

Ter Stegen right now is a total beast. His big idol is Oliver Kahn and you can see it in the way he directs and shouts at his defense, no matter his young age. IMO he has the class to give Neuer a run for his money in pretty short time.


Ter Stegen doing a good Kahn impression

Great summary, great points.

Although I like Weidenfeller but I don't think he can ever match up to the top tier of GKs. You always know I've been a fan of Wiese who is underrated imo.

Not much more to say about Neuer but to be honest he is affected by the somewhat dwindled morale and results by the team itself.

As for Stergen, he shows that even the most young and inexperienced can have that Kahn/Zoff like box presence. He's definitely one to look out for..

I don't need to speak about Iker or Valdes as they receive enough appreciation here,

But I'd like to see more appreciation from you about Reina and especially HART!!!!!!

[rwo power]

Well, if you look at the best EPL GK thread in the Right Back section, you might notice that I mentioned Hart there in the first place (with Szczesny and Krul, whom I rate highly, too), so I am aware he is finally a pretty good English GK again after a long hiatus.

Proof: https://goallegacy.forumotion.com/t16766-who-is-the-best-goalie-in-the-english-premier-league#456617

BTW, looks like Tim Wiese will be the Nr.2 in the German goal at the Euro2012 after all, at least it sounded that way when Köpke was interviewed. Of course Löw will make the final decision in May, but for now the GK selection seems to be Neuer, Wiese and Zieler. Ter Stegen and Leno will probably play in the U21 with Kevin Trapp as Nr.1 for now.

[rwo power]

Tonight Bayer Leverkusen meet Barcelona in the BayArena. For those interested in German GK talent - Bernd Leno (19) will have to brave the Barca attack. The youngster has only played 20 BL games so far (keeping 7 clean sheets in the process) plus 6 CL matches (only 1 clean sheet there).

When he was signed by Leverkusen in November 2011, they had to pay VfB Stuttgart a transfer fee of 7-8 mio Euros, making Leno the second most expensive GK transfer in the BL (after Manuel Neuer).

[la bestia negra]

Tonight Bayer Leverkusen meet Barcelona in the BayArena. For those interested in German GK talent - Bernd Leno (19) will have to brave the Barca attack. The youngster has only played 20 BL games so far (keeping 7 clean sheets in the process) plus 6 CL matches (only 1 clean sheet there).

When he was signed by Leverkusen in November 2011, they had to pay VfB Stuttgart a transfer fee of 7-8 mio Euros, making Leno the second most expensive GK transfer in the BL (after Manuel Neuer).

why do i have a feeling he will score a late winner

[Great Leader Sprucenuce]

RWO rates Krul?

BTW Ter Stegen is immense, i made an outrageous claim on another forum that i think if he continues to improve at that pace that he will surpass Neuer and be one of the top GK's in europe in 2-3 years( if not the best).

Whether it happens or not is another matter but iam known for being outrageous from time to time

[Sushi Master]

He's at near Neukem level at age 19... not really outrageous.

Bayern were deceived, really.

The ammount of goalkeeping talent RWO Germany has at her disposal is incredible.

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