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Post by sportsczy Thu May 23, 2013 8:45 am

http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Asm-moutinho-rodriguez-proches/373082

According to l'Equipe, negotiations are over and the Moutinho + Rodriguez are coming to Monaco for a total of approximately 50 mil.

Very good deal. 50 mil is the correct price.

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Post by fatman123 Thu May 23, 2013 8:48 am

Thats a steal if true, Rodriguez will be a great player in the future
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Post by FalcaoPunch Thu May 23, 2013 10:47 am

C'mon Rodriguez!
Tear it up in Ligue 1 then come to Madrid :bow:
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Post by EL Patron Thu May 23, 2013 10:51 am

Les Moneygasques Proud
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Post by McAgger Thu May 23, 2013 12:36 pm

Laughing I just read they are after Kompany
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Post by urbaNRoots Thu May 23, 2013 12:44 pm

McAgger wrote:Laughing I just read they are after Kompany

LOL Vermaelen is more realistic!

Make it happen Monaco Proud
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Post by sportsczy Thu May 23, 2013 12:49 pm

Actually, City are willing to sell Kompany since Monaco is offering 30 mil lol. City are on Pepe to replace him.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Thu May 23, 2013 12:53 pm

sportsczy wrote:Actually, City are willing to sell Kompany since Monaco is offering 30 mil lol. City are on Pepe to replace him.
hahahahahahahahahahahaha not buying that for a moment. Pepe to replace Kompany? they are not that stupid are they?
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Post by VanDeezNuts Thu May 23, 2013 12:54 pm

city are looking to replace lescot with pepe, not kompany

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Post by sportsczy Thu May 23, 2013 1:03 pm

http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Vincent-kompany-a-monaco/373023

Well, L'Equipe are saying "according out our sources" and not referring to 3rd party. Kompany is on the target list.

Interesting target for Monaco is also Diego Lopez of Real Madrid.
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Post by McAgger Thu May 23, 2013 3:18 pm

So when does FFP come into play with Monaco???
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Post by Rebaño Sagrado Thu May 23, 2013 3:21 pm

So when do we get a Monaco badge???
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Post by sportsczy Thu May 23, 2013 3:25 pm

McAgger wrote:So when does FFP come into play with Monaco???
In 2017.
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Post by McAgger Thu May 23, 2013 3:29 pm

Laughing UEFA, what a joke lol
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Post by sportsczy Thu May 23, 2013 3:37 pm

It's always been like that. Newly promoted teams or bought teams have 3 years to get their books straight. They are free to invest as they please until the 3 years are up... since you don't get your books finished until midway through the 4th year for the previous one... it's really a 4 year thing.

The logic is that a new club should have the opportunity to invest in itself for a long enough period to get itself competitive... that period was set to 3 years. After the investment period, it has to show that it's sustainable.

So in essence, you could lose 10 billion your first 3 years. But if you can show that the club has a sustainable model come year 4, you're fine.
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Post by Art Morte Thu May 23, 2013 3:42 pm

You guys don't understand the FFP rules quite correctly. If Monaco spend like nuts this summer and UEFA do with FFP what it says on paper, Monaco will not make the cut.


Anyway, this Monaco madness is a great opportunity for clubs to sell their unwanted biggish-name players for serious bucks.
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Post by sportsczy Thu May 23, 2013 3:44 pm

That's not true Morte... you have a 3 year open period with a change of ownership or if you are newly promoted to get yourself compliant.
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Post by Suarez99 Thu May 23, 2013 3:56 pm

I think now is the time to reveal I was always a closet Monaco fan Thumbs up
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Post by Art Morte Thu May 23, 2013 4:13 pm

sportsczy wrote:That's not true Morte... you have a 3 year open period with a change of ownership or if you are newly promoted to get yourself compliant.

No, that's not true, Sportsczy. UEFA's FFP rules state that an exception may be made if there is a change in legal form or company structure of a club, for instance a merger of clubs, bankruptcy or liquidation. And these are granted on a case-by-case basis and usually for one season at a time. I don't remember any exceptional rules for promoted clubs.

Monaco have changed ownership, but just a change in ownership is not a change in the club's structure.

Moreover, if they sign players this summer on 4-year deals worth of 200m, amortisation in accounting will mean that that 200m is spread on those 4 years, i.e. 50m amortisation expense every year for the next 4 years, meaning that they cannot spend like crazy this summer and after that go "look, we're not spending anything on player transfers!".
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Post by sportsczy Thu May 23, 2013 4:20 pm

I'm absolutely certain that if there's a change or ownership or a promotion, you're exempt from a lot of the more stringent rules of FFP. Of course, you can't skip payroll like Malaga. But you are allowed to invest heavily.

Naser Al-Khaleifi of PSG explained it on french tv about 6 months back: They're not concerned with the transfer fees for 3 years, but the total wages for FFP come 2014. That's why he explained that PSG aim to keep their wages below the 150 mil threshhold no matter what (87.9 mil right now) because they have a plan to make things work as long as the wage structure remains within their preset budget.

No offense, but i think he has a much better handle on this than probably anyone.

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Post by Mr Nick09 Thu May 23, 2013 4:42 pm

Info RMC: James and Moutinho have passed their medical visit
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Post by The Franchise Thu May 23, 2013 5:00 pm

Do they not want a Valdes, Pedro and Mascherano triple swoop?
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Post by Mr Nick09 Thu May 23, 2013 5:10 pm

a RMC journo saying that Falcao wont go to Monaco, Hulk will... interesting, we will see.
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Post by Art Morte Thu May 23, 2013 5:22 pm

sportsczy wrote:I'm absolutely certain that if there's a change or ownership or a promotion, you're exempt from a lot of the more stringent rules of FFP. Of course, you can't skip payroll like Malaga. But you are allowed to invest heavily.

Naser Al-Khaleifi of PSG explained it on french tv about 6 months back: They're not concerned with the transfer fees for 3 years, but the total wages for FFP come 2014. That's why he explained that PSG aim to keep their wages below the 150 mil threshhold no matter what (87.9 mil right now) because they have a plan to make things work as long as the wage structure remains within their preset budget.

No offense, but i think he has a much better handle on this than probably anyone.


Well, the rules are here:

http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Tech/uefaorg/General/01/80/54/10/1805410_DOWNLOAD.pdf

for everyone to read, I've read them through once maybe a year ago and admit that I don't remember all the details, but I'm absolutely sure that transfer fees that are being paid now do affect clubs' books for the next few years to come, because of amortisation.

In short, I do not believe that Monaco (or PSG) will meet the FFP regulations if UEFA implement them as rigorously as they are on paper - that remains to be seen.
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Post by sportsczy Thu May 23, 2013 5:51 pm

Both PSG and Monaco have been given 3-year exceptions. PSG's started 2 summers ago. Monaco starts this summer. That's the bottom line.

In any case, PSG only posted an audited loss of 5,45 million for 2011-2012 (http://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/sport/football/ce-que-cache-le-deficit-ridicule-du-psg-en-2011-2012_1227441.html) and they are expected to actually make a profit this year. So i'm not worried about them.

Monaco? That one is a head scratcher. They've never had a big following. My guess is that they're either hoping the massive lawsuit against FFP that was filed last month with the EU wins or Monaco somehow gets an exemption since its operations are guaranteed by the country of Monaco. In any case, they have 3 years to figure it out. But they don't have a viable business model that i can see.
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Post by free_cat Thu May 23, 2013 5:57 pm

Psg wouldn't pass the FFP rules if applied correctly because they make a profit thanks to sponsors that don't pay a market value.
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