Is Bundes top league now?

With Bayern and Dortmund almost 100% in final is Bundesliga the top leaugue now?

The bundesliga pressing is amazing One thing BvB is lacking is passing accuracy, wich could be a bit better. Other then that, the balance in Bayern Munchen and BvB in defense and attack is really great. Very good teams that will be haunting the other teams the next 3/4 years in the top stage.

The 1 thing that really amazes me: these teams work as 1. Attackers defend, track back - its an all team effort, a thing that the regular big teams are missing now.

What could have been :'( too bad two of their best players are leaving

Its been a top league post 2010 where their post 2002 world cup project has come into full stride and erupted in all its exuberance to show Europe that pedigree is not as important as clean systematic formats and good ol' fashion of the old ways to develop.

Again something ive been saying for a long time. Bundesliga is the best league in the world.

Yes Bundesliga may be the best league but don't you think that only two teams of good level is not enough to be the best?
Bayern and BVB can compete with any team but other teams are a level above.
Next year Bayern will probably be the only team to fight for UCL because they are buying Gotze and Lewa,two key players for BVB.

Bundesliga is easily the top league in terms of talent and class. Could you imagine Real Madrid helping Barcelona if they were on the brink of bankruptcy?

Motogp69 wrote:Bundesliga is easily the top league in terms of talent and class. Could you imagine Real Madrid helping Barcelona if they were on the brink of bankruptcy?

What? So are we trying to justify the Bundesliga's lack of rivalries now? Just because La Liga actually has one?

And no Bundesliga hasn't proven itself in terms of talent just yet. Lets not jump the gun

Arquitecto wrote:Its been a top league post 2010 where their post 2002 world cup project has come into full stride and erupted in all its exuberance to show Europe that pedigree is not as important as clean systematic formats and good ol' fashion of the old ways to develop.

I remeber reading a while ago that many of the BL youth teams we're using similar plays and tactics so that once they played together at club and NT level they'd have better chemistry etc, is that what your talking about?

Kiddies who've never watched Bundesliga .

It's been a top league for a while now, just that people have never rated it. The Bayern monopoly ended ages ago with Dortmund, but due to no CL football and last season's flop, still weren't rated.

Now that Bayern have a bench, they're amongst the elite.

It's not the strongest league, but in terms of tactics, player development and overall atmosphere (Manchester derby? Piss on that, go watch Dortmund-Schalke), its in the high end.

All it needs is for the lower end teams to strengthen, something hard in the land of no sugar daddies and fan based football clubs and not billionaire toys, but it can still manage well enough. Just check out Buli team's records in Europa and CL. Not at all bad for a league so lowly rated.

bundesliga has always been in the top 4 leagues , but still serie A is the best league

I honestly woun`t judge the bundesliga based on two games, to me they are still the 3rd best league.

1/2. la liga and pl are tied really , cant really decide which is better.
3.Bundesliga
4.Serie A
5.That PSG league

I think you can divide the league vs league debate into 2 areas:

A. Domestic competitiveness

B. European competitiveness

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A. Domestic competitiveness

Domestically none of the top 4 leagues have been as competitive as they were the year before.

Bundesliga
The gulf in depth and consistency has been most evident in the Bundesliga. Bayern's monster 20 point gap over Dortmund and their league victory with a record 6 games to spare (even more impressive as there are only 18 teams in the league) demonstrates how far ahead of the competition they are in a league format. Bayern have not only been winning, they have been thrashing other teams mercilessly. They have only lost once this season (vs now 3rd placed Leverkusen). As usual, the rest of the league is a mixed bag. Champions League qualifiers in previous years, Wolfsburg and Werder Bremen lie in the bottom half of the table, whist Freiburg, Frankfurt, BMG and Hamburg challenge Shalke for that 4th place.

La Liga
Next comes the Spanish league, where Barcelona have never really looked in trouble. This is partly due to Madrid's poor league performances earlier in the season giving the Catalans a big buffer. For the first time in a while, Atletico were able to (temporarily) break the duopoly and move into second place - they have since been leapfrogged by Madrid. As usual, the real competition in La Liga starts with the race for fourth place where numerous lesser-known teams like Sociedad and Betis scrap over the last Champions League spot along with the seemingly eternally declining Valencia and cash strapped oil boys Malaga.

EPL
In England, Manchester United have shown that they still have a winning mentality. They are the only club that can handle big teams and comfortably dispatch mid-table teams and relegation battlers. The chasing pack gave up their chase long ago due to this inability to consistently put in assured performances against sides that on paper should not give them any trouble. England remains more competitive than the aforementioned leagues because of the furious battle between high-quality sides Manchester City, Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham. Encouragingly for the Spurs, they have backed up their 4th placed finish last season with another challenge for CL spots - expanding what used to be the "big 4" EPL teams to a "big 5". Everton and Liverpool take Europa League spots, but are a class below the others. Swansea showed early signs of promise in the league, but now sit mid-table. There's not much to speak of from the other teams.

Serie A
Again, Serie A has been dominated by one club this season - Juventus. They now hold enough of a gap over second placed Napoli to be assured of winning the league again. However, don't let that 11 point gap decieve you, Juventus were challenged by Napoli (who got back to within a game of 1st) but the Old Lady fought off that challenge by drawing with Napoli in that fixture. The Neapolitans' cause was not helped by a 1-1 draw with 3rd placed Milan. Very recently, Napoli has almost certainly secured 2nd place. The competition for the last Champions League spot is intense between several high quality sides. Milan came back from the dead to sit 3rd. A point behind is the dangerous Fiorentina. Inter, Roma, and especially Lazio stuttered hugely in the second half of the season, Inter giving up 3rd spot and Lazio giving up 2nd spot. Surprisingly, Catania briefly rose up to the Europa League spots, but have since been displaced by Udinese. Even newly promoted teams like Sampdoria and Torino have shown periods of quality this season.

1. Serie A
2. EPL
3. La Liga
4. Bundesliga

However, the analysis is not finished yet...

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B. European competitiveness

Serie A
Italy has had a torrid time in Europe this season. Udinese failed to get through the Champions League qualifier against Braga. Whilst Milan fared no better than any English team losing to Barca in the round of 16, Juventus went a round further losing to Bayern in the quarters. Lazio was the only one of the Italian teams to make it to the quarter finals of the Europa League, but didn't have the depth to hold onto a CL spot in Serie A and compete in Europe at the same time, going down to Fenerbahce. Italy now is completely out of Europe.

EPL
The EPL has also made a fairly woeful foray into European Competition this season. All of the Champions League contenders were dispatched in or before the round of 16. England faired better in the Europa League, where Chelsea was the only one of 3 English teams who made the quarter finals, to survive that round and make it to the semis. The EPL is still alive in Europe, whereas Italy is not.

Bundesliga
Only Stuttgart made it through to the round of 16 in the Europa League, and they were destroyed by Lazio at that stage, ending German participation in that competition - the worst showing by Bundesliga clubs in years. Poor second-tier performances have been compensated for by the league's best clubs, Dortmund and Bayern, who have been excellent in their recent semi-final ties. Germany's other Champions league representatives have gone out cheaply though - BMG suffering the same fate as Udinese (failing to qualify for the CL) and Schalke being beaten by Galatasaray in the round of 16.

La Liga
Spain suffered badly in the Europa League, where all of their representatives were knocked out in the round of 32. This was compensated for by a strong showing in the Champions League, where Valencia and Malaga made it to the round of 16 and quarter finals, respectively, only losing to tough opponents PSG and Dortmund. Barca and Madrid continue to fly the Spanish flag in the semis as usual, but have been thoroughly outclassed by two German teams in the first leg of the semis. An all-German final looks probable. However, La Liga must be given credit for a better showing from their other two representatives in the Champions League than Germany, which indicates depth in quality.

1. La Liga
2. Bundesliga
3. EPL
4. Serie A

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Overall

I'm reluctant to give an overall score, but if I absolutely had to, I'd say:

1. La Liga - Strong in Europe, not great domestically
2. EPL - Poor in Europe, good domestic competition
3. Serie A - Poor in Europe, tough domestic competition
4. Bundesliga - Strong in Europe, domestically very weak

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Note that this is purely subjective and that I have given my reasons. So if you want to dispute this (which I encourage you to do), do so in detail and without resorting to cliched throw-away lines and shallow analysis.

Also, before my Serie A brethren disown me, I find Serie A the most enjoyable to watch and this is reflected in my discussion of domestic competition.

Lastly, note that this is a comparison of entire leagues (all the way from the bottom to the top) and that is why domestic competition must be factored in, because European performance only looks at the upper-mid table (EL) and elite clubs (CL).

Serie A is in the process of change , Changes in Roma , Milan ,Juve has already started and Juve as the first team who applied went the furthest just to lose against the strong Bayern side , Inter sooner or Later find themselves in-the position that either have to go with a flow or left behind , dont be fooled by Juve this year , serie A is still the best league for it contains stronger teams in lower level , teams like sienna , cagliari , Udinese and so on . the competition is much more intense than Epl or La Liga just because on having only 3 position in CL and finally Serie A is the most tactical league in the world

Yes, I would agree with that. Serie A is perhaps the only league where you have traditional upper mid-table sides like Palermo and Genoa in the relegation zone.

in bundesliga pretty much every season one, two, sometimes three established teams are fighting relegation. in recent years, it happened to werder, hoffenheim, wolfsburg, stuttgart and hamburg who's squads could without a doubt rival palermo or genoa

Toffer Harley wrote:in bundesliga pretty much every season one, two, sometimes three established teams are fighting relegation. in recent years, it happened to werder, hoffenheim, wolfsburg, stuttgart and hamburg who's squads could without a doubt rival palermo or genoa

Fighting relegation is different from being in the relegation zone, that's where Palermo and Genoa are. In the season before last Sampdoria got relegated after qualifying for the champions league the year before, remember? I don't think Augsburg, Greuther Fürth and Hoffenheim are of the same calibre as any of those Italian teams.