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Post by elm_baraja_shaman Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:19 pm

Since Barca's a** is bein handed to them more than Juve at the Allianz, most people laughed at Juve fans when they lost to Bayern, what does thay make Barca? hmm
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Post by Adrian0911 Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:23 pm

same thinking here...

...we weren't great against bayern...but we defended..and attacked way better than barca tonight!!

really rooting for dortmund now!!!
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Post by VendettaRed07 Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:25 pm

Going by that logic...

3-3

What does that make Arsenal?.. Razz
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Post by TalkingReckless Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:31 pm

Arsenal the best then
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Post by REWB Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:33 pm

lol stupid logic, bayern are the best. but everyone else is just average atm. barca are just damaged by injuries
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Post by Tomwin Lannister Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:40 pm

Nope it's a fair point.

Juventus got laughed away as being vastly overrated for being beaten 2-0 by a DEFLECTION and an offside goal rofl

If Juve are overrated for that, are Barca a top 30 team? Laughing
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Post by Swanhends Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:40 pm

Barca are playing football instead of parking the bus, so it is not comparable

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Post by Onyx Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:42 pm

Juve were a top team when they lost to Bayern and they still are now.

1 bad result doesn't mean a team is no longer good.

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Post by Tomwin Lannister Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:43 pm

Yeah passing along your back 4 is more legit than catenaccio. Once again the modern day bullshit idea that possession is so amazingly important rears it's ugly head.


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Post by Arquitecto Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:43 pm

Swanhends wrote:Barca are playing football instead of parking the bus, so it is not comparable


How in the world did Juventus park the bus? Is any defensive line parking the bus? How about Catenaccio?
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Post by REWB Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:43 pm

juve are a very good team though, imo they would have made it to the final if they had not have face bayern
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Post by izzy Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:44 pm

AbraKebabra Alacalamb wrote:Nope it's a fair point.

Juventus got laughed away as being vastly overrated for being beaten 2-0 by a DEFLECTION and an offside goal rofl

If Juve are overrated for that, are Barca a top 30 team? Laughing

Oh that's stupid, that's very stupid.
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Post by Tomwin Lannister Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:45 pm

Yeah it is stupid, i'm going by the logic people used to judge Juventus. Thank you for proving my point even though you tried not to.
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Post by izzy Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:47 pm

AbraKebabra Alacalamb wrote:Yeah it is stupid, i'm going by the logic people used to judge Juventus. Thank you for proving my point even though you tried not to.

No no no no.

Juve have proved fck all in europe to get such high ratings.

The loss to Bayern confirmed that Juve aren't nearly as good as some of their fans made them out to be.
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Post by Adrian0911 Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:48 pm

Swanhends wrote:Barca are playing football instead of parking the bus, so it is not comparable


poor defending from barca(when were they ever good at defending) and a weak GK...doesn't mean Juventus parked the bus cuz they know how to close spaces, recover balls, head the ball away from crosses and tackle the ball away from opponent.
Juve was shit attacking though.
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Post by Tomwin Lannister Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:51 pm

Leave it bro, because we're not talking about Juventus the logic suddenly changes. We beat Chelsea with ease, shakhtar away and smashed the Giant killers Celtic on our first season back. Yet losing 2-0 away to the team who just completely obliterated Barca makes us overrated and not in the same league as Barca Laughing


As far as it goes now you have.


Tier 1

Bayern currently on their own level

Then Madrid, Juve, United, Barca, possibly Dortmund on the level below. In no particular order.
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Post by BAYERN_MUNICH Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:53 pm

How long we have waited to get rated :bow:
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Post by Firenze Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:57 pm

BATE Borisov 2nd best team in Europe? :coffee:
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Post by izzy Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:58 pm

AbraKebabra Alacalamb wrote:Leave it bro, because we're not talking about Juventus the logic suddenly changes. We beat Chelsea with ease, shakhtar away and smashed the Giant killers Celtic on our first season back. Yet losing 2-0 away to the team who just completely obliterated Barca makes us overrated and not in the same league as Barca Laughing


As far as it goes now you have.


Tier 1

Bayern currently on their own level

Then Madrid, Juve, United, Barca, possibly Dortmund on the level below. In no particular order.

Why Juve and Dortmund?

Where is the consistency? 1 quater final in how many years and your suddenly as good as Madrid, Barca and United and ONLY one level below Bayern?

This is what i'm talking about, you are overrating your team.
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Post by Tomwin Lannister Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:01 pm

No, i'm not talking about being a top team over the last 5 years ffs. I'm talking about this season, right now. You don't rank how good teams currently are by going off of past achievements.

You're basically saying Juve aren't a top tier team because our old teams of Amauri, Krasic, Diego, Melo, Grosso, sorensen, Motta, Iaquinta, Toni etc were not good enough in Europe.

I'm talking about here and now in the present. And presently, Juventus and Dortmund belong in the top tier of Europe.

Yes if we were arguing about the best teams in the past 10 years Juve wouldn't get a look in. But we're not. I'm talking about current ability and what our team done 3 seasons ago has absolutely no relevance in deciding who currently stands where in Europe.
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Post by izzy Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:04 pm

AbraKebabra Alacalamb wrote:No, i'm not talking about being a top team over the last 5 years ffs. I'm talking about this season, right now. You don't rank how good teams currently are by going off of past achievements.

You're basically saying Juve aren't a top tier team because our old teams of Amauri, Krasic, Diego, Melo, Grosso, sorensen, Motta, Iaquinta, Toni etc were not good enough in Europe.

I'm talking about here and now in the present. And presently, Juventus and Dortmund belong in the top tier of Europe.

Yes if we were arguing about the best teams in the past 10 years Juve wouldn't get a look in. But we're not. I'm talking about current ability and what our team done 3 seasons ago has absolutely no relevance in deciding who currently stands where in Europe.

The part in red is all I care about.
Are you gonna sit here and tell me that this season, Malaga, Galatasaray are some of the top 8 teams in Europe this year?

Are you actually saying that?
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Post by Tomwin Lannister Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:11 pm

Nope, Juventus topped the 2nd hardest group in the CL and then went on to tactically outclass a Celtic team who have consistently caused trouble to any big teams that they've come up against. We went unbeaten in serie A and are on route to a 2nd scudetto in 2 years.

Dortmund topped the group of death and put on a stunning last minute display to knock Malaga out. They won the BuLi last season and knocked Bayern out of the domestic cup.

Galatasaray finished 2nd in a group that had only one team worth talking about. They then got into the last 8 courtesy of knocking out a shalke team who were nothing short of piss poor in the BuLi. They then proceeded to get wiped out by Madrid at the bernebau and barely edged them at home.



Judging by what teams have done over the past couple of seasons domestically and in Europe I firmly believe that it goes like this.

Bayern are the top dogs. They knocked out Juventus, dominated the BuLi, destroyed Barcelona, knocked out Madrid and have been the best team in Europe from co-efficients.

Then also in the top tier currently (although at a lower level than Bayern)

you have Madrid, United, Barca, Juventus and Dortmund.
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Post by izzy Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:14 pm

AbraKebabra Alacalamb wrote:Nope, Juventus topped the 2nd hardest group in the CL and then went on to tactically outclass a Celtic team who have consistently caused trouble to any big teams that they've come up against. We went unbeaten in serie A and are on route to a 2nd scudetto in 2 years.

Dortmund topped the group of death and put on a stunning last minute display to knock Malaga out. They won the BuLi last season and knocked Bayern out of the domestic cup.

Galatasaray finished 2nd in a group that had only one team worth talking about. They then got into the last 8 courtesy of knocking out a shalke team who were nothing short of piss poor in the BuLi. They then proceeded to get wiped out by Madrid at the bernebau and barely edged them at home.



Judging by what teams have done over the past couple of seasons domestically and in Europe I firmly believe that it goes like this.

Bayern are the top dogs. They knocked out Juventus, dominated the BuLi, destroyed Barcelona, knocked out Madrid and have been the best team in Europe from co-efficients.

Then also in the top tier currently (although at a lower level than Bayern)

you have Madrid, United, Barca, Juventus and Dortmund.

Your not really making sense.
If by going by this seasons competition, why are Juve on the same level as Madrid, Barca and maybe Dortmund if all three teams have gone further?
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Post by Cotes Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:17 pm

IDK ABOUT ALL THIS...BUT ONE THING FOR SURE Bayern is the strongest team in Europe & they have been since last season...
They were unlucky not to win the treble last season...

Juve did our thing...no shame in losing!
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Post by Tomwin Lannister Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:18 pm

How does that not make sense, please read my posts.

I'm going by what teams have came up against and how they have performed.

You're looking at this using nothing but how far teams have gotten in the CL.

Juventus drew the absolute NUMBER 1 top team in Europe. We got knocked out.

If Juventus drew Galatasaray, knocked them out and Barca got knocked out by Bayern in the last 16 it wouldn't make Juventus better than Barcelona.

How far you get is mostly down to the luck of the draw.
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