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Post by Ganso Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:05 pm

Collblanc wrote:I dont see this guy 'GOATing' in the future. He is a good player, for sure, but has yet to show this against a decent defense - he has flopped against all thus far. I hope to see him in Europe soon, we can see how great he really is.
he was amazing vs italy just a few days ago Rolling Eyes

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Post by izzy Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:06 pm

RED wrote:I've always thought he was overrated.

He's not overrated, he's over-hyped.

He's 21 and people are expecting to slay all he sees like Messi and Ronaldo. He's not in their class.

The expectations for this kid is ridiculous.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:08 pm

Collblanc wrote:I dont see this guy 'GOATing' in the future. He is a good player, for sure, but has yet to show this against a decent defense - he has flopped against all thus far. I hope to see him in Europe soon, we can see how great he really is.

Everyone considers Van Persie and Ibra two of the best strikers around....

Where are they on the international stage?

This major double standards in regards to Neymar, he's also performing higher than most of the considered " world class" players yet some how he's overrated and sucks.

Where is Cavani on the international stage btw? where is Falcao?

Neymar is performing higher than all of them so why is he the only overrated one?
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Post by Mr Nick09 Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:08 pm

yes the problem is not Neymar, the problem is people and the expectations they have of him. You cant change people so you will never really stop this. Neymar is a nice 21 yo talented kid that still has wayyy to go. But since his talent level looks so high, he is compared to Messi or Ronaldo in their finished state which is ridiculous, but honestly, that's how people look at football nowadays. The progression curve of each player is also very different.
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Post by Collblanc Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:11 pm

Ganso wrote:
Collblanc wrote:I dont see this guy 'GOATing' in the future. He is a good player, for sure, but has yet to show this against a decent defense - he has flopped against all thus far. I hope to see him in Europe soon, we can see how great he really is.
he was amazing vs italy just a few days ago Rolling Eyes

How many goals/assists did he make?
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Post by Chumlum Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:11 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
CR was a nobody at 21, you can argue Messi if you want but he was still piss poor for Argentina.

Not sure if you're serious about Ronaldo here? Or are you talking about his NT performances alone? Because it was the season he was 21-22 yrs old (2006-2007) that he really broke out ... plus he did make the Uefa team of the tournament for the '04 Euros. Dude was more a "somebody" by age 21 than most professional footballers ever get to be.

I'm not a CR7 fanboy or anything like that. I just don't get why everything has to be so balls-to-the-wall dedicated to the Talladega Nights "if you're not first, you're last" mentality on here ...

Same thing with Neymar. Oh my god, you mean the guy doesn't have an airtight rounded perfect game by age 21? He's maybe not going to be the GOATiest GOAT of all GOATdom? Then definitely he sucks. No other explanation. No middle ground.
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Post by Valkyrja Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:24 pm

Good player, but not in Gotze's class, let alone Messi/Ronaldo.
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Post by Casciavit Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:24 pm

izzy wrote:He's not overrated, he's over-hyped.

This.

Spoiler:
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Post by julias Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:31 pm

loool @ this thread

I'd love to know how many people here actually play football because this belief that a player who displays some quality should automatically play 10/10 every game is retarded.

And like someone said before people are either NeyGod :bow: or Nerman :facepalm:

Because yes a 21 y.o. should reach Messi's level or be deemed a failure Rolling Eyes

Read your posts out loud and listen to how stupid they sound.

People who are expecting Neymar to dribble through everyone and score hattricks in every game should shoot themselves because your cognitive capabilities are severely lacking.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:35 pm

Barton on twitter:

Neymar is the Justin Bieber of football. Brilliant on the old You Tube. Cat piss in reality...

rofl


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Post by harhar11 Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:36 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
Mr Nick09 wrote:owen, god at 18, shit at 25, those comparisons mean nothing, please stop with that stuff. you know how many players were better than Zidane at 22 yet cant even touch him when we look down the line? I mean Robinho was better than most at 17, look how it turned out Laughing

I know just saying.... he clearly isn't a scrub or overrated.

People have to stop expecting him to be Messi at 21 surrounded by scrubs and expect him to GOAT every time.

His international performances are still miles better than so many of the players people wank over.

It just makes you look stupid when he does start GOATing and he will.

tbh, I don't think that its arguable that Messi was better than Neymar at that age, imo its a fact. Remember, by 21 he had already scored a hattrick against Real Madrid, he had destroyed the best defensive team in the world at the time, Chelsea, in the CL knock-out stage, he had already finished in the top 3 in the ballon d'or and fifa world player of the year and was named the best young player at the copa america..


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RED wrote:I've always thought he was overrated.

He's not overrated, he's over-hyped.

He's 21 and people are expecting to slay all he sees like Messi and Ronaldo. He's not in their class.

The expectations for this kid is ridiculous.

+1

It's not his fault that Pelé is a douche and tries to fool people into beliving that Neymar is better than Messi. How can you hate him for what other people say when he himself has always said that he is not in Messi's class?
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Collblanc wrote:I dont see this guy 'GOATing' in the future. He is a good player, for sure, but has yet to show this against a decent defense - he has flopped against all thus far. I hope to see him in Europe soon, we can see how great he really is.
he was amazing vs italy just a few days ago Rolling Eyes

How many goals/assists did he make?

Well, 1 direct assist but the 1st goal came from his cross. So he was behind both goals..

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Post by julias Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:38 pm

Mr Nick09 wrote:Barton on twitter:

Neymar is the Justin Bieber of football. Brilliant on the old You Tube. Cat piss in reality...

rofl

Lol I have to admit that is funny shiz

Hpwever does Barton ever log out of twitter? hmm
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Post by juventus101 Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:38 pm

I have never been into the Neymar hype, but to say he sucks is pushing it. Hes a great young player with an extremdly hright future, but thats where it ends. He wont be getting anywhere near Messis levels. He could maybe get to Riberys level, but even that is very unlikely in my opinion ,i see him ending up more like Robinho: a great player that on his day can tear teams apart by himself, but is very inconsistent
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Post by The Franchise Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:43 pm

Blah blah blah, more Gil nonesense.

Neymar is crap but at the same time he might become the same level as prime Robben...who according to him gets into the Dutch all time 11.

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Post by Gil Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:47 pm

The Franchise wrote:Blah blah blah, more Gil nonesense.

Neymar is crap but at the same time he might become the same level as prime Robben...who according to him gets into the Dutch all time 11.


He broke my heart joining Barca tbh.
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Post by timzink Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:48 pm

Neymar needs time . IMO it feels like he plays knowing that everyone has to come to see him and expects him to be the next pele . He should be a little more relaxed .

The expectations are high because hes 21 and is on rooneyesque wages... in brazil .
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Post by Ganso Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:10 pm

The Franchise wrote:Blah blah blah, more Gil nonesense.

Neymar is crap but at the same time he might become the same level as prime Robben...who according to him gets into the Dutch all time 11.

Laughing


Also,barton is just mad neymar said he has no idea who joey barton is
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Post by CrazyBoy Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:39 am

Neymar should start eating more and hitting the gym. Feck sheck he is so freaking thin for a footballer. I think me even at this age can bully the shit out of him.
Anyways Neymar has the potential to be better or even the best in the world but atm he is clearly lacking the physical strength and needs to widen his vision, quite Di Maria like at times with his dribbling and passing. But he is young and can be better.

And seriously I just cannot believe that some are comparing him to Robinho and Denilson. He is far better than those two.

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Post by The Sanchez Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:17 am

I thought he was a god at National Level and now he isn't because of a few performances hmm
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Post by FennecFox7 Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:22 am

Mr Nick09 wrote: The progression curve of each player is also very different.
Exactly. 110% agreed nick.

Neymar is 21 ffs, give him a break.
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Post by S Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:22 am

Better than Hazard for sure.
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Post by FennecFox7 Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:25 am

CrazyBoy wrote:Neymar should start eating more and hitting the gym. Feck sheck he is so freaking thin for a footballer. I think me even at this age can bully the shit out of him.
Anyways Neymar has the potential to be better or even the best in the world but atm he is clearly lacking the physical strength and needs to widen his vision, quite Di Maria like at times with his dribbling and passing. But he is young and can be better.

And seriously I just cannot believe that some are comparing him to Robinho and Denilson. He is far better than those two.
People have different body types first of all.

If neymar "eats more and bulks", he won't have the same agility. Neymar looks skinny btw but he is not that weak.

And I'm positive you can't bully him off the ball. I don't think you know how strong footballers actually are.. trust me
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Post by CBarca Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:22 am

What an awful thread.

I'll have to bookmark this for laughs in a couple years.
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Post by CrazyBoy Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:32 am

Giggity5313 wrote:
CrazyBoy wrote:Neymar should start eating more and hitting the gym. Feck sheck he is so freaking thin for a footballer. I think me even at this age can bully the shit out of him.
Anyways Neymar has the potential to be better or even the best in the world but atm he is clearly lacking the physical strength and needs to widen his vision, quite Di Maria like at times with his dribbling and passing. But he is young and can be better.

And seriously I just cannot believe that some are comparing him to Robinho and Denilson. He is far better than those two.
People have different body types first of all.

If neymar "eats more and bulks", he won't have the same agility. Neymar looks skinny btw but he is not that weak.

And I'm positive you can't bully him off the ball. I don't think you know how strong footballers actually are.. trust me

I cant bully him off the ball? players who are smaller than me have done(lets not get into my personal test).

Anyways What I mean is Neymar gets easily outmuscled and bullied by physical defenders and if he wants to succeed in Europe he has to better his physical condition and he is young and he can ofcourse. Just look at Cristiano, he was a small and skinny kid when he came to United, but look what an athlete he has become today. And being strong enough does not mean losing agility. Just look at Messi, he is bulky but is agile as hell.

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Post by TalkingReckless Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:46 am

"Neymar is the Justin Bieber of football," Barton wrote on his Twitter account. "Brilliant on the old You Tube. Cat piss in reality…"
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Post by sportsczy Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:26 am

Brazil NT is a strange animal. Players look to be spectacular and effectiveness seems secondary... I mean look at Lucas: Carlo forced to play simple and cover defensively. He's been great as a result although raw.

Neymar is also very raw. It will come down to mentality as with all great talents. Will he be coachable? It's a shame he's still in Brazil because a lot of that tactical and collective discipline is drilled into players at a young age in Europe. The older and more egotistic you become, the harder it is.

Personally, i think Madrid or Barca are the worse places for him. He needs to go somewhere where he plays with the ball at his feet. With Messi and Cr7 on these 2 teams, he's going to need to become more of an off the ball and complementary player. I mean Barca already need to satisfy both Messi and Iniesta and i feel Iniesta gets sacrificed.
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