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Post by Kick Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:17 am

yes. Sad

when it happened, straight after I had uni exams, then I spent the summer working mornings and going to bed at about 3-4pm now I am working and at uni. I have no time for anything.

As we speak I am also catching up on uni home work I didn't do during the week.

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Post by Shed Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:18 am

Kick wrote:yes. Sad

when it happened, straight after I had uni exams, then I spent the summer working mornings and going to bed at about 3-4pm now I am working and at uni. I have no time for anything.

As we speak I am also catching up on uni home work I didn't do during the week.
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Post by Kick Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:20 am

I am looking forward to it as it will mean I finally get somewhat of a break. Laughing
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Post by Shed Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:21 am

Kick wrote:I am looking forward to it as it will mean I finally get somewhat of a break. Laughing
And once this disaster of a season is over in 2 months and the FSW is out the door, it'll be even more relaxing cheers
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Post by Kick Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:23 am

my god, the season ends in two months?!?

Where has this year gone? No
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Post by Shed Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:24 am

Kick wrote:my god, the season ends in two months?!?

Where has this year gone? No
Down the shitter. With Roman at the flush pull :facepalm:
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Post by Kick Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:27 am

Roman. Evil or Very Mad
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Post by Shed Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:31 am

Kick wrote:Roman. Evil or Very Mad
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Post by Kick Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:48 am

Back OT:

I think it would be fantastic to not buy a CM and have one of Chalobah/McEachran/KDB to step up. Currently I would also like to see the 4-3-3 next season. Unfortunetly this would mean either playing Oscar deeper or dropping him altogether.
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Post by Shed Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:52 am

Kick wrote:Back OT:

I think it would be fantastic to not buy a CM and have one of Chalobah/McEachran/KDB to step up. Currently I would also like to see the 4-3-3 next season. Unfortunetly this would mean either playing Oscar deeper or dropping him altogether.
That's why 4-3-3 won't work IMO. The players have already been bought and we're now tied to the
4-2-3-1.
As for the CM issue, I fully agree. Barrett was saying this as well, among many others, and I hope it's the route we take.
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Post by Kick Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:59 am

I suppose the whole reason I want the 4-3-3 is that I love Ramires and he suits the 4-3-3 much more than the 4-2-3-1. Unfortunately, Oscar and to a lesser extent, Mata, do not. Sad
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Post by Shed Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:01 am

Kick wrote:I suppose the whole reason I want the 4-3-3 is that I love Ramires and he suits the 4-3-3 much more than the 4-2-3-1. Unfortunately, Oscar and to a lesser extent, Mata, do not. Sad
True, on all counts.
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Post by Kick Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:07 am

The other thing I find funny is that Mikel is better in the pivot than as an anchor while Romeu is the opposite. So there really is no clear option for our formation.
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Post by Shed Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:09 am

Kick wrote:The other thing I find funny is that Mikel is better in the pivot than as an anchor while Romeu is the opposite. So there really is no clear option for our formation.
That's what happens when you have a side built by 10 different managers plus Emenalo plus the owner...

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Post by Kick Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:11 am

Laughing

So true.
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Post by iNFINITY9910 Sun Mar 17, 2013 6:58 am

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Kick wrote:The other thing I find funny is that Mikel is better in the pivot than as an anchor while Romeu is the opposite. So there really is no clear option for our formation.
That's what happens when you have a side built by 10 different managers plus Emenalo plus the owner...

:facepalm:

haha true that...
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Post by Rebelles.REUS.rex Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:45 am

Kick wrote:
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Rebelles.REUS.rex wrote:I don't think he could play in the pivot. His got the passing ability but has player much further up the pitch this whole season for Bremen.
Oh? I've been reading he's been playing in CM.

hmm

There is a massive difference between a CM in a 2 man midfield and a CM in a 3/5 man midfield though.

Exactly. Especially the pivot in our team with the trinity hardly helping in defense
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Post by Rebelles.REUS.rex Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:51 am

Kick wrote:Same here, if Rues has actually seen him play I'd be very curious to see what he thinks.

Iv watched about 6-7 full games + all highlights and stuff. He is very versatile CM, CAM, LM, Second striker. But i just don't see him in our pivot due to the lack of defensive contribution of MAZARCAR. That being said playing him next to someone like Mikel might be ok so he has some freedom to move around.

His key attributes I would say are:
- Set-pieces (Corners and free kicks)
- Crossing (BOSS)
- Long range passing
- Decent Dribbler
- Vision

He is however a bit slow at times and a tiny bit of a hog.
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Post by Abramovich Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:55 pm

I've watched KDB quite a bit and along with our other loan signings, the closest one who could start in our pivot imo is Nathan.

KDB long passing is just immense Thumbs up
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Post by Kick Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:34 am

Rebelles.REUS.rex wrote:
Kick wrote:Same here, if Rues has actually seen him play I'd be very curious to see what he thinks.

Iv watched about 6-7 full games + all highlights and stuff. He is very versatile CM, CAM, LM, Second striker. But i just don't see him in our pivot due to the lack of defensive contribution of MAZARCAR. That being said playing him next to someone like Mikel might be ok so he has some freedom to move around.

His key attributes I would say are:
- Set-pieces (Corners and free kicks)
- Crossing (BOSS)
- Long range passing
- Decent Dribbler
- Vision

He is however a bit slow at times and a tiny bit of a hog.

so he could certainly work in a 4-3-3 where the winger infront of him does a lot of defencive work EG Moses? Mata would be covered on the right due to the more defencive Ivanovic and Ramires.

yes?
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Post by Blue Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:52 am

A fantastic piece on Kevin De bruyne. Link

Seen De Bruyne a lot actually, he can play CM in 4-3-3 in fact that is his best position.


A midfield of:
KDB Oscar
Mikel

Can definitely work as long as we have the right manager, if we sit back and let the other team have the ball we will get picked apart. It can definitely work under the right tactic.

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Post by Kick Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:55 am

The thing I like about that midfield is Oscar presses so well, he encourages other players to press so I feel that midfield would be pretty solid defensively as long as we play a high pressure game.

what I don't like about it is the clear lack of Ramires. Evil or Very Mad
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Post by Blue Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:59 am

Kick wrote:The thing I like about that midfield is Oscar presses so well, he encourages other players to press so I feel that midfield would be pretty solid defensively as long as we play a high pressure game.

what I don't like about it is the clear lack of Ramires. Evil or Very Mad

Unfortunately Ramires was always going to be the odd man out. But hey he still can be an important squad player, and not like there isn't enough games for everyone.

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Post by Kick Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:03 am

Blue wrote:
Kick wrote:The thing I like about that midfield is Oscar presses so well, he encourages other players to press so I feel that midfield would be pretty solid defensively as long as we play a high pressure game.

what I don't like about it is the clear lack of Ramires. Evil or Very Mad

Unfortunately Ramires Oscar was always going to be the odd man out. But hey he still can be an important squad player, and not like there isn't enough games for everyone.


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Post by Shed Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:08 am

Lads lads lads, you're both assuming we're even going to play 4-3-3, which is still in huge doubt. Given the players we have, I can't see any manager coming in and concluding the best system to utilise them as best as he can and as many of them as possible is the 4-3-3.
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Post by Blue Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:12 am

Kick wrote:
Blue wrote:
Kick wrote:The thing I like about that midfield is Oscar presses so well, he encourages other players to press so I feel that midfield would be pretty solid defensively as long as we play a high pressure game.

what I don't like about it is the clear lack of Ramires. Evil or Very Mad

Unfortunately Ramires Oscar was always going to be the odd man out. But hey he still can be an important squad player, and not like there isn't enough games for everyone.


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