Official: Sandro Rosell resigns

Doc wrote:Football Manager (Championship Manager) gets it so, so wrong when it comes to transfers. Or probably they do it in the most simplistic terms.

Alas, this Neymar business is clearly something out of Wolf of Wall Street without the coke and hookers...maybe.

Dont know about that

I said it before and i'll say it again but when did the entire contract add on top of the transfer fee to make an overall figure lol?

Its always been seperate.... this isn't like American sports where they say someone has signed an 100m contract when its a 20m a year contract for 5 years.

Probably around the same time chances created became a relevant stat.

Good point

Everything is being americanized

I will say this though, if the people in question want to go down this route of including the entire package then everyone should do it.

More transparency and consistency the better.

soo looking at those numbers....santos owns 30% of neymar....his parents "company" owns 70%.

What happened to that company DIS SONDA who was having a sook?

So if salary should be included in the sum of the transfer, how much did Bale cost? Or Ronaldo? Or Ozil? Or....

I mean to me, this changes even the free transfer thing to not free transfer! Right? Am i missing something? Someone please explain!

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:I said it before and i'll say it again but when did the entire contract add on top of the transfer fee to make an overall figure lol?

Its always been seperate.... this isn't like American sports where they say someone has signed an 100m contract when its a 20m a year contract for 5 years.

It never has, and it will stop with Neymars case. This that they add wage, bonus fee and agent fee to Neymar's transfer cost was started by Florentino when he was on Punto Pelota. Then the media started copying him. Me saying is is not being butthurt, it's the truth.

eelir wrote:So if salary should be included in the sum of the transfer, how much did Bale cost? Or Ronaldo? Or Ozil? Or....

I mean to me, this changes even the free transfer thing to not free transfer! Right? Am i missing something? Someone please explain!

Well, EMD did a similiar thing yesterday in which they added all the bonuses, wage and all that stuff. The number that they got was €265m..

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Good point

Everything is being americanized

I will say this though, if the people in question want to go down this route of including the entire package then everyone should do it.

More transparency and consistency the better.

Well when the newspaper you work for has an agenda to increase the numbers as much as possible that is one easy way to do it and not be accused of libel.

The 86 total does not include the salary, thats why its greyed out

zizzle wrote:The 86 total does not include the salary, thats why its greyed out

True, but it does include signing bonus, agent fee and the money that Barca will pay a scouting company(N&N) to scout in Brazil and other stuff..

Yeah... the wages aren't included.  The 87 mil only includes the various fees paid for the transfer itself:

57,1 +
10 +
2,7 +
4 +
2,5 +
9,9 =  86,2 mil

THe numbers greyed out arent't added in.

Edit:  Of course the agent fees and signing bonused are included.  The agent fees are usually paid by the sellling club out of the transfer fee.  But here, Barca is paying it in addition to the fee.  Signing bonuses are only paid to players on a free transfer.  It's highly unusual to get this in a transfer situation.  It's considered a "transfer fee" to the club when it's paid.  Jus to illustrate... there're a lawsuit going on between Cavani and DiLaurentiis because Napoli hasn't paid all the agent fees their supposed to yet. On the Falcao deal, Atleti ended up getting very little because Mendes had so many loans/agent fees that needed to come out of the sum.

Has anyone actually broken down what companies got what in regard to all the 3rd parties that owned him ?
N & N.     5%
TEISA      5%
DIS       40%
Santos.      ? (One would assume 50%, but why are they saying they only get to keep 19% of the transfer fee lol)


I asked this in another thread but no one could answer it, maybe things have changed, but if Neymar only owned 5% of his rights how come he got 40million, while the remaining 95% of him was only valued at 17.5 million ?
Shouldnt the value of each % be valued the same ?

If Barca has to negotiate with each 3rd party seperately why was DIS 40% taken from the 17million sent to Santos and not the 57 million total ?

Or if DIS 40%  negotiated directly with Barca, why didnt they hold out for 320 million lol, after all neymars 5% was worth 40 million.

If Barca was able to negotiate directly with N&N for their 5% of neymar why didnt DIS also do the same ?

Do DIS still own a % of Neymar since they are saying they didnt get paid enough ?

So many questions, so few answers, nor do i speak portuguese or spanish so i can actually understand who owned how much of neymar.

If anyone can answer any of these questions please do as i feel a lot of these questions are why people (not just me) are so confused. Maybe the % of who owned how much of neymar are wrong and thats where the confusion if from.

Does anyone have any link to an article I could read to get a good idea of what's going on with this saga? From scratch, I mean.

English version if anyone is interested

Blue Barrett wrote:Does anyone have any link to an article I could read to get a good idea of what's going on with this saga? From scratch, I mean.

http://www.totalbarca.com/2014/news/neymars-contract-details-disclosed/

So it turns out Barca paid 86 million for Neymar who was in his last year of contract

Barca had already paid his dad 25 million the season before to guarantee him going to them. Why didn't they just wait a season so that he could come for free ?

halamadrid2 wrote:So it turns out Barca paid 86 million for Neymar who was in his last year of contract

Barca had already paid his dad 25 million the season before to guarantee him going to them. Why didn't they just wait a season so that he could come for free ?

yea thats what really annoys me, if he really only wanted barca he shoulda done a Lewandowski or barca should have tried to convince him to stay with santos till 2014. Then again his selfish dad probs woulda flogged him if he did.

Because Real Madrid offered his father € 60M, double the salary AND to pay the € 40 M penalty clause to buy out his pre-agreement with Barca. This is why FloP said it would have costed Real Madrid € 140M to buy Nerman. Also because Mehssi would have handed in a transfer request 1 more season alongside Pedro and Sanchez upfront.

Also it isn't € 86 million anyway. € 4 million "marketing" for example is an investment so the company of his father uses Nerman's image rights to represent Barcelona in Brazil. This will actually return > € 10M profit for Barcelona in the next 5 years according to Bartomeu. These things have nothing to do with Nerman's transfer fee. They were simply highlighting where the press got their figures from and what they really mean. Barcelona simply agreed some additional business deals in Brazil while they were doing the Nerman deal and it happened to be with the company of Nerman's father. Barca have similar deals (first option deals with Boca for example) in other countries.

The player was never going to be available for € 17M or € 0. Anyone who thinks that is trippin.

Neymar didn't want to stay another year in Brazil, he wanted a little more experience before the world cup.
Madrid would of gotten him if Barca didn't move in early, and 60m+ for one of the most marketable and talented youngsters out there is not by any means a bad trade.

95 millions for Neymar

Flo did well enough to up his price so that Barca dont have any money left to sign a CB

Well done flo

MaraVilla wrote:English version if anyone is interested

I don't see anything about the supermarket chain DIS. Did'nt they own Neymar too?

Flo you genius

OK.   Just to be clear with what a transfer fee encompasses from a financial accounting standpoint (and I worked at PricewaterhouseCoopers with the sports & entertainment group right out of university and we handled clients like MLB, FIFA, UEFA, etc at the time... so i know.  Long time ago; but the rules haven’t changed)…

A transfer fee in football is synonymous to acquisition costs in mergers & acquisitions in the regular business world.  By US GAAP, UK GAAP and IFRS (the accounting standards out there), it means every and all consideration given for the acquisition of the asset.  Now, the confusion here is that, typically, the agent fees, taxes, etc. are paid by the selling club out of the transfer fee they receive (can happen in escrow too)… the buying club disburses a lump sum and does not handle all the parties downstream.  In the Neymar case, Barca handled all the parties separately as opposed to giving Santos a lump sum and letting them handle the other people.  So when you calculate total transfer fee, you have to add all the different amounts paid by Barca in consideration for acquiring Neymar.  Another example is Javi Martinez…  Bayern had to pay the taxes and the fee to Bilbao…  so aside from the 40 mil release clause, Bayern also paid another 10+ mil in taxes.  The total transfer fee became 50+ mil as result.

So when you look at the Neymar total transfer fee, it should most definitely include the 86,2 mil shown in this statement.  I would also argue that the 25 mil that Barca disbursed the previous year should be added as well because it was a down payment in the deal… if the 25 mil really happened.

Now, what portion is handled as an "expense" and what portion becomes an "asset" that you amortize over time is a separate issue. That's just accounting games. But when you report the transaction in the footnotes of the financial statement, the total cash outlay that went into the acqusition of the asset + any deferred amount that needs to be paid in the future = total transfer/acquisition consideration .

Just to make things clear.

You didn't make things clear because you yourself seem to not get it fully because you haven't watched the presser.

Barcelona paid € 7.9 million to Santos for first option on 3 talents while they were doing the Nerman deal. Real Madrid did something similar with their "special partnership" with Spurs when they bought Modric, although it isn't revealed what that partnership really means (maybe some soci should file a lawsuit against uncle FloP to get a detailed answer). When Barca sold Villa they did the same with some Atletico youth players yet everyone reported "Villa was sold for € 2M". No one cared about the first options and added this to Villa's fee.

So, I ask again. How is a separate deal on Santos youth players in any form related to Neymar's transfer fee? Which, still, was reported to Fifa as € 57.1 million. And I think the Barca lawyers know what they are doing. Barcelona's director of football yesterday repeated 10 million times to whole world that the fee is € 57.1 million. Are Barcelona deliberately lying, despite the current lawsuit against Rosell?

By the way. Bayern didn't pay any additional taxes for Martinez. Where do you get that from? They explained this in great detail at the time in Germany since it was a Bundesliga record deal. Bayern didn't pay 1 penny more than € 40 M.

I'm not sure whether it's true or not, but he's probably talking about the contract being reported that tied Neymar to Barcelona before the transfer actually occurred.

That's where some of the extra money Flo was talking about came from. He would have had to pay Barca a tax on behalf of Neymar ( Probably on top of the sixty million)