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Post by halamadrid2 Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:31 pm

here we go again going for names rather than long term "better fit" coaches whom people might not know off


both carlo and rafa would be disasters waiting to happen at madrid, doubt they would complete more than one season at the helm.


why cant we just do what atleti or barca did? sign a coach who bleeds the club?

I would love pochetino at our club, the guy loves us and his teams actually know how to roll the ball around properly.

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Post by Mr Nick09 Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:34 pm

halamadrid2 wrote:here we go again going for names rather than long term "better fit" coaches whom people might not know off


both carlo and rafa would be disasters waiting to happen at madrid, doubt they would complete more than one season at the helm.


why cant we just do what atleti or barca did? sign a coach who bleeds the club?

I would love pochetino at our club, the guy loves us and his teams actually know how to roll the ball around properly.

Proud

the list goes on, laudrup, pepe mel, etc...
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Post by free_cat Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:36 pm

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Se7en wrote:he was carried by a great milan team and thats why he won cl with milan, he is actually a crap manager and we wont win anything with him

this is why im against sacking mou, honestly, who else is there in this market? there are no better coach than mou in the market, we just have to settle with what we have. carlo is crap and benitez is better but wouldnt want him either

Carried by a Milan team Laughing

Same logic that usually applies to Pep being carried by Barcelona's team when he actually developed and harnessed the players strengths and weaknesses.

Carlo did the same with Pirlo, Kaka, Gattuso, Costa (switch band donadoni type role) along with the team being raw, undeveloped and a misconstrued mess before him. Did I mention that he created an absolute brilliant system fuelled by some ridiculously meticulous tactics which drove that team?

The league flop thing is also highly exaggerated as Calciopoli caused damage to Milan. While at Chelsea he won a double in his first year with an aging Chelsea, 2nd year was marred right when he was ordered to play Torres in all conditions.

Let the myth die.


The league flop tag is very deserved IMO.

One frigging league with Milan in what... 8, 9 seasons?

In his last seasons it's understandable he didn't win the league because he only had grandpas, but he had a great team in at least 4 of those seasons, and yet only 1 league. Ridiculous.

With Chelsea he certainly brushed this tag a bit, but we don't know how it would have continued.


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Post by Zealous Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:37 pm

Carlo is not a bad manager lol

His league record isn't great but he wouldn't be the worst choice ever.

I like Laudrup a lot and would welcome him with open arms but Carlo is more proven on the biggest stage. I wouldn't be upset if he signed for us.

Anyone but Benitez though.
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Post by RealGunner Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:39 pm

Should go for Pepe Mel
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Post by Valkyrja Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:42 pm

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:43 pm

zizzle wrote:Carlo is a bad manager ? rofl rofl rofl

If we are going to get into specifics then yes....

A fantastic coach though.
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Post by halamadrid2 Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:45 pm

I doubt perez I knows who pepe mel is Rolling Eyes

if we end up signing either carlo or rafa I am officially gonna sign up for the perez out bandwagon. also lol at rafa flirting with us, tell you what fat waiter keep your gob shut and focus on your own team

these guys are so similar to mou its unreal (without the trophy cabinet) we are sick and tired of the bs counter attacking football we play atm which fails to work against teams that ptb, the moment we face a team like that we get clueless despite all our talent. rafa or carlo to fix that rofl gimme a fcking break
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Post by sportsczy Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:08 pm

Carlo has a method of breaking PTB teams hm2. I've witnessed it at PSG. He's Mou with better tactics and less motivational skills (Carlo is not a tyrant). We'll do great in CL/CDR and struggle in league... pretty much guaranteed.

If you could combine Mancini in league and Carlo in cup, you'd have the perfect manager lol.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:11 pm

Why does Pochettino bleed white? He never played for you...
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Post by the xcx Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:14 pm

Carlo Ancelotti Laughing.The man is incompetent as hell, i dont know why you label him as an superior tactitian to Mou when he was exploited numerous times at Chelsea. PTB expert, hmm thats new for me.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:18 pm

To me Carlo is like a superior Benitez....

He has a great tactical mind which comes to the fore in one off or 2 legged ties in the CL.

But he doesn't have the management skills or winning mentality which is needed to be consistent league winner.

Which goes somewhere to explain why his record is better in Europe than in his domestic league.

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Post by Zealous Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:27 pm

Carlo at Madrid would have the best squad in Spain if he were to sign for us. Any weaknesses he has in the league could be compensated with just that.

I've been a fan of Pepe Mel before any of you knew what he looked like Laughing I wouldn't mind him either tbh.
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Post by LeVersacci Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:29 pm

RIP Madrids youth.
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Post by halamadrid2 Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:30 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Why does Pochettino bleed white? He never played for you...

he is a self confessed madrid supporter
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Post by sportsczy Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:31 pm

Based on how he's handled Lyon, Porto and Valencia... perfect tactics against all 3. And this despite having putrid fullbacks at his disposal. Again, he's not a motivator, which is why he fails in league so often. But you get him in a tie situation and he'll put it together. He's won enough cup competitions, including CL a couple of times, to prove it.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:33 pm

LeDNA wrote:RIP Madrids youth.

Like you would have used it anyway Laughing

Also Zeal best squad in Spain hmm is Catalonia not part of Spain anymore hmm
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Post by the xcx Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:37 pm

Actually Mou was reknown for the cups and CL, mostly the second leg ties. Not just that but the amount of league titles he has won over the years, something where Carlo fails to excell at.

So the whole idea is to reach Semis of Cl or CDR perhaps just to end up 4th or 5th in the league.

LOL


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Post by halamadrid2 Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:38 pm

LeDNA wrote:RIP Madrids youth.

where they ever alive in the first place lol

also sports, valencia weren't exactly defensive they had the majority of posession mou loves those teams its not valencia its the teams who have one thing in mind and thats to defend for their dear lives and nick a goal through a set piece or defensive mistake. the only one psg exploited against valencia was guardado the winger asked to play in defence, when guardado played as a defender against us we shipped 5 past them.

I doubt carlo could have helped us break down united or dortmund based on the times I have watched psg. definitely not what we need
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Post by Lord Spencer Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:42 pm

Carlo is completely responsible for three things which would always make hi a great manager, or at least a highly above average one:

1- Converting Pirlo is a DLP thereby providing both Milan and Italy with one of the best midfielders of the last 20 years.

2- Completely creating the Milan team of 2003-2007 which dominated Europe as much as the current Barca is doing now.

3- Consistently had Milan playing beautiful football in Europe.

Of course, he had many downfalls, some of which are his fault and some simply a product of the environment:

1- He sat on that Milan team and did not regenerate it fast enough.
(Milan have been hit with a financial crisis and Calciopoli, both which contributed to that happening).

2- Failed at big games too often. Which is probably his biggest weakness, he is simply too nice and mellow. While few managers could have created that Milan teams, few managers could have such bipolar results as 3-0 drubbing and 3-0 defeats as Carlo. Carlo could do well with an assisstant coach like Gattuso who would motivate the players well, because Carlo is too nice sometimes.

The league flop tag is stupid IMO. Milan were competing with a Juve who was built for the league, with insane depth and clutch players all around. After Calciopoli, we had a ridiculously advantaged Inter strolling through the League (and they were built for league competitions as well).

Carlo did well in Chelsea, and is doing fine at PSG. A lot of the PSG faithful in France and the French media seem to like him.

I am not saying that Madrid should be signing Carlo, but FFS, have some respect for the man. Get knocked out of the CL, and this would be the worst season for Madrid since before Capello, it is not like Mou is doing miracles here.
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Post by VanDeezNuts Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:44 pm

Not a fan of Carlo AT ALL.

It seems possible, and honestly probably the most justifiable out of the managers we havent had yet (which are pretty few now).

Still, I hope it doesnt work out and honestly why would he leave PSG. Seems to be having a good time over there.

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Post by LeVersacci Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:47 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
LeDNA wrote:RIP Madrids youth.

Like you would have used it anyway Laughing

Also Zeal best squad in Spain hmm is Catalonia not part of Spain anymore hmm
That's true, but we still managed to get a few to the first team lol..
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Post by the xcx Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:51 pm

Always hated him in Chelsea, His first year was good agreed, after that he literally went nuts. His not doing any better with PSG either, I mean the previous coach they had before he got the sack had similar results. The only 2 things to sepperate these 2 was that he won a trophy with a side pre the oil money came in. So Carlo was more signed as a prestigious object ever since. Relies far too on talent.


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Post by Lord Spencer Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:54 pm

The xcx wrote:Always hated him in Chelsea, His first year was good agreed, after that he literally went nuts. His not doing any better with PSG either, I mean the previous coach they had before he got the sack had similar results. So Carlo was more signed as a prestigious object.

His second year at Chelsea was not bad as Mou's current year at Madrid. Now compare the leagues and the two teams and decide yourself who is in the most privileged position not to F-Up.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:54 pm

vanDEEZ wrote:Not a fan of Carlo AT ALL.

It seems possible, and honestly probably the most justifiable out of the managers we havent had yet (which are pretty few now).

Still, I hope it doesnt work out and honestly why would he leave PSG. Seems to be having a good time over there.

His contract ends this summer, and the Qatari want a go at Mourinho. It's not up to him to stay. Now, if Mourinho makes it clear he aint going to PSG, then they will want to keep Ancelotti.

Unfortunately, if Mou goes to Chelsea, the debate will switch up to Benitez.
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Post by Rossoneri Ninja Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:59 pm

Ok , if a two guys who have 4 Cl titles between them aren't good enough for Madrid then who is?

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