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Post by Cruijf Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:31 pm

@Raptorgunner wrote:Should, could the EU ban online porn?



Could the EU really ban porn online? Next week, hundreds of European parliament members will vote on a report that calls for banning pornography across 'all media' - including the Internet.

The report, called 'on eliminating gender stereotypes in the EU', calls "calls on the EU and its Member States to take concrete action on its resolution of 16 September 1997 on discrimination against women in advertising, which called for a ban on all forms of pornography in the media."

This is pretty vague wording, written at a time when the commercial Internet was just getting going. Google and Facebook didn't even exist at the time. But the Internet is still a form of media.

So are ebooks, come to that. It turns out that the Kindle is also a haven for porn. An investigation by CNET turned up a whole bunch of gritty, pixelated books designed specifically for the Kindle, produced and self-published by amateurs.

Amazon has a content publishing policy that forbids porn in self-published e-books, but many are still slipping through. A quick search here turned up titles such as "Bottoms Up" from Camera Erotica, and lots of cleavage titles offering for four bucks what porn seekers can find for free online.

Amazon does its best to scan for this stuff, but it uses proprietary software, and in some cases, manual scanning. So many books make it through the net.

If nothing else, this shows how difficult it is to police porn. If Amazon can't do it effectively on a platform that it controls, how would the EU ban online porn, given that an awful lot of it is hosted outside the region?

It sounds like another example of politicians not understanding technology.

If they did succeed, it could signal a complete cessation of all pixel-based visual naughtiness, mortifying one-handed surfers everywhere. What do you think? Could the EU ban online porn? More to the point, should it?

I highly doubt they could successfully ban porn, but as should be obvious to anyone who's read my posts here, I think they should try.

People will always find ways around bans like this, but it will make it a lot harder and hopefully decrease the negative impact porn is having on our society.

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Post by VivaStPauli Sat Mar 09, 2013 12:23 am

Freedom of expression > you. Very Happy
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Post by Cruijf Sat Mar 09, 2013 1:20 am

@VivaStPauli wrote:Freedom of expression > you. Very Happy

So is public sex in the middle of the street where the world can see you protected by freedom of expression?

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Post by Guest Sat Mar 09, 2013 3:15 am

Get over yourself, bro. So now we're comparing pornography to having sex in public? I understand that is not exactly what you are trying to do, but what do you care what others do. What are you doing to better the world? Sure, I can see the negative effects of pornography, but if we go down that road, it would be liking opening up pandora's box. I personally wish they would ban cigarette smoking on the streets because I that actually effects my life. Do you know how many things have a negative impact on society? Tons and I am sure pornography is nowhere near the top of that list and I am fairly certain that you are exaggerating how much of an impact it has. Mentally weak people are always going to struggle with addiction and vices - do you plan on ridding the world of all such things?

The yin and the yang, baby! Good cannot exist without evil and the world is never going to be a perfect place. You say you do not like pornography, so do not watch it. Listen, I am a highly empathic being, but we cannot worry about everyone and take "bad" things away from them, they will just look to fill that void with something else.

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Post by FennecFox7 Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:07 pm

It's not bad. Obviously having a wank before going to hit up some girls is not a good idea, but thats why we have brains
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Post by Guest Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:09 pm

Porn is not bad per se, but I would argue that it can have a negative impact on you. Over the last year or so I have done my best to stay away from it. I find it nuts that some people "need" to do it in order to sleep and such.


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Post by RedOranje Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:14 pm

Sigh.


http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2013-07/david-camerons-anti-pornography-legislation-scary-grandstanding?src=SOC&dom=tw
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Post by RealGunner Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:25 pm

lol i was going to bump this with the same thing.

David Cameron is either being extremely naive, or his agenda is basically the same as China's. To take control over the internet (or try to)

I hope the case is the 1st part rather than the 2nd, and he is just concerned as a parent and nothing else. However that brings out a concerning truth that David is technologically so far behind that he doesn't even know how things work. What he is proposing is nothing but a fantasy element. He was most likely ill advised over the issue and doesn't understand that the problem isn't the internet, it's the society.

It's not google's fault that the kids are looking at pornographic images and videos. The problem stem from inside the society, i.e the neglect parents. And i don't mean kids as in the 15-16 year olds, but the younger ones. Shouldn't it be parents responsibility to see what their kids are looking at? What will he achieve by blocking the content? Does he not know that every kid on the block knows about proxies? Or is he going to block proxies as well? his plan pretty much failed for pirate bay. He is attempting the same here but on a higher scale. I truly hope he goes over the idea again.

Regarding his concerns over child abuse. I really don't think paedophiles use google to search for what they search for. Even if they do, i highly doubt they use as blatant terms as Cameron suggests. Instead of blacklisting the terms, why not try and find the root of the problem and solve it?

Regarding the other possible case where Cameron is possibly looking to run the internet for us. He really has no right to tell us which websites we should go on and which we shouldn't. Is he going to block political websites opposing conservatives next? It's not preposterous. If he is allowed to do this, then he will most likely carry it further with other political agendas. How long before these filters are 'extended' to protect us from pirate downloads etc. This is purely an exercise to grab headlines and protect the rights of fat cat copyright holders and film/music executives.

If kids want to search for porn, they will search for it. They are more tech savvy than their parents. And if kids do use other means to search for porn, they are MORE likely to end up at websites which are hidden on normal google search. The very websites Cameron doesn't want people to see. As i said before, he is either extremely naive or just doesn't know how things work on the internet.


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Post by rwo power Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:43 pm

Well, most politicians don't really seem to have a clue about how the internet works. May I quote Angie the Great?

"Das Internet ist für uns alle Neuland." ("The Internet is a new territory for us all.") - A.Merkel, June 2013
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:54 pm

On that note...

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Post by Arquitecto Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:40 am

@rwo power wrote:Well, most politicians don't really seem to have a clue about how the internet works. May I quote Angie the Great?

"Das Internet ist für uns alle Neuland." ("The Internet is a new territory for us all.") - A.Merkel, June 2013

lol Angie the Great? Laughing

Lets not forget that Merkel is an "Occassional leader" whose deutsche michel play is just awful econometric. Not to mention is bad for Europe and even Germany within some aspects.

Politician she is, leader she is not.

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Post by VivaStPauli Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:01 am

Rudolf Augstein recently wrote a stingy essay, suggesting she be called "Angela the Small" to make exactly that distinction.
Edit: Just realized you speak Deutsch, might as well give you the link: http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/augstein-kolumne-zu-merkel-in-der-nsa-affaere-die-kleine-kanzlerin-a-912339.html
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Post by Uncanny Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:01 pm

Porn comes in differnt ways, I feel most of them love what they do and have a high sex drive. Some people do seem to perceive women in a negative way because of watching porn but face it, most of the women in porn like what they do and make 5 times the money as their male counterparts. Another funny thing about porn is male pornstars make shit unless they switch over to doing gay porn (lol but it's true). Therefore it's all relative, the girls like it and make lot of money, the guys like it cuz they get to have sex with beautiful women but get paid crap, but it's still money.

Now back to what porn does, it's good for people to relieve stress and sexual tension. But it's bad In a way when people get addicted to it or thing women and men should always act this way, because face it porn has the worst actors and scenarios, therefore I can see how it can bring about improper sexual conducts.

But overall I feel porn has helped me in a certain way, because back in the days when I finally hooked up with my first girlfriend (I was 17 at that time), it helped me have more fun in bed with her lol, because I never had "the talk" with my parents, I had to learn things on my own about girls (and watching porn is NOT A WAY TO LEARN ABOUT GIRLS, but it is a good way to learn about sex haha). That's my rant about porn lol.

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Post by Peccadillo Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:04 am

Like most things in life you can draw positives and negatives from it. In moderation I think it's fine.

In regards to the above post I'm unsure if it's a great way to learn about sex. It doesn't teach you how to pleasure a woman really.. For example I don't think I have ever seen male porn stars use the figure eight motion. Just teaches boys how to pummel like a rabid dog. Which a lot of women do not enjoy. There is also an argument that it heightens expectations for people, making them feel the need for more extreme acts (anl/dpthrt etc) to attain sexual gratification - which their partners may not be cool with, creates esteem issues over penis size or body shape and all the rest of it.

Children are naturally drawn to taboos as they reach a certain age - particularly boys. Maybe something could be in place to educate children on how they approach porn because they probably will watch it but it's unlikely to be a conversation children will be having with their parents. But who would be an appropriate mature person to discuss pornography with children/teenagers? Quite a pickle.

I do see a problem with the level of accessibility though tbh.. It's a bit of a problem that sites exist nowadays that you can just search one kinky word on yahoo or google and access unlimited porn content for free. 12 year olds should have to work for that S^t using their sisters J-Lo "on the 6" album covers like I did. Honestly though.

The effects of porn can be perfectly healthy and even beneficial but it can also become an unhealthy addiction no different to gambling, drugs and alcohol. As depicted by south park in the episode "over-logging";

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Post by RonaldoGreatestEverRM Thu Oct 24, 2013 5:01 pm

I totally disagree if someone says the Porn Industry is NOT a bad thing.

There are different kinds of Porn. But there is some nasty shit out there, seriously. Porn should just be normal sex. Something you could understant BOTH parties enjoy. Not bukake, GB's, stiking things up someones a**, etc.

I get it it's hard to never watch it, but I definately don't feel that proud about it lol. Especially If you actually stop ignoring the negatives, face them and read about it.

These women are drugged 24/7 to even go through all the pain.

Here, just one example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx0W4x42EJM

Lets not act a fool here.

Yea, I watch Porn and know Pornstars myself and have my favorites.

We'd love it for the Business to be a good thing, or atleast something not negative.

I know that, hey maybe I can change that later on in my life Razz
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Post by Peccadillo Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:39 am

@RonaldoGreatestEverRM wrote:I totally disagree if someone says the Porn Industry is NOT a bad thing.

There are different kinds of Porn. But there is some nasty shit out there, seriously. Porn should just be normal sex. Something you could understant BOTH parties enjoy. Not bukake, GB's, stiking things up someones a**, etc.

I get it it's hard to never watch it, but I definately don't feel that proud about it lol. Especially If you actually stop ignoring the negatives, face them and read about it.

These women are drugged 24/7 to even go through all the pain.

Here, just one example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx0W4x42EJM

Lets not act a fool here.

Yea, I watch Porn and know Pornstars myself and have my favorites.

We'd love it for the Business to be a good thing, or atleast something not negative.

I know that, hey maybe I can change that later on in my life Razz
Yeah look... I have to agree with regards to the extremities in modern porn... Or to be more precise the fact that these extremities appear to now be mainstream. I think its now easier to find a Chechen nun getting DP'd by the Bananas in Pyjamas with 14"ers while a man posing as her father watches, than a good old fashioned plumber fixing a leak for a naughty neighbour. It does not reflect particularly well on society at all and only feeds and encourages that sickening part of the human psyche.

When I say you can draw positives I don't think many would argue that positives can be drawn from watching certain content regularly.. I think if you are watching that kind of content regularly then you have probably already delved past that "moderated" level that I said was fine. I don't think it makes a person abnormally sick in the head per se - it is just fantasy after all - but I think there's a chance it could be damaging for both your mind and your relationships.

There are plenty of things out there that are damaging to children. UFC comes to mind - I've witnessed first hand how UFC influences teenage boys, it comes back to that gladiator mentality.. But because society on the whole views you as soft if you don't approve of it.. its generally overlooked and people would prefer to focus on something like the porn industry which is far more taboo and an easier target. At the end of the day - as a parent raising your kids, all you can do is raise them to be rational, moral and judicious as best you can. If you do this then it is unlikely that watching a Chechen nun getting DP'd by children's television characters is going to turn them into a deviant and a psychopath.

I speak about this as objectively as possible.. I don't mean to come across as some advocate for the porn industry. As for me personally I would love a world that didn't shove sex, gambling and drugs in our faces 24/7 - but we do.
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Post by RonaldoGreatestEverRM Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:28 pm

@Peccadillo wrote:
@RonaldoGreatestEverRM wrote:I totally disagree if someone says the Porn Industry is NOT a bad thing.

There are different kinds of Porn. But there is some nasty shit out there, seriously. Porn should just be normal sex. Something you could understant BOTH parties enjoy. Not bukake, GB's, stiking things up someones a**, etc.

I get it it's hard to never watch it, but I definately don't feel that proud about it lol. Especially If you actually stop ignoring the negatives, face them and read about it.

These women are drugged 24/7 to even go through all the pain.

Here, just one example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx0W4x42EJM

Lets not act a fool here.

Yea, I watch Porn and know Pornstars myself and have my favorites.

We'd love it for the Business to be a good thing, or atleast something not negative.

I know that, hey maybe I can change that later on in my life Razz
Yeah look... I have to agree with regards to the extremities in modern porn... Or to be more precise the fact that these extremities appear to now be mainstream. I think its now easier to find a Chechen nun getting DP'd by the Bananas in Pyjamas with 14"ers while a man posing as her father watches, than a good old fashioned plumber fixing a leak for a naughty neighbour. It does not reflect particularly well on society at all and only feeds and encourages that sickening part of the human psyche.

When I say you can draw positives I don't think many would argue that positives can be drawn from watching certain content regularly.. I think if you are watching that kind of content regularly then you have probably already delved past that "moderated" level that I said was fine. I don't think it makes a person abnormally sick in the head per se - it is just fantasy after all - but I think there's a chance it could be damaging for both your mind and your relationships.

There are plenty of things out there that are damaging to children. UFC comes to mind - I've witnessed first hand how UFC influences teenage boys, it comes back to that gladiator mentality.. But because society on the whole views you as soft if you don't approve of it.. its generally overlooked and people would prefer to focus on something like the porn industry which is far more taboo and an easier target. At the end of the day - as a parent raising your kids, all you can do is raise them to be rational, moral and judicious as best you can. If you do this then it is unlikely that watching a Chechen nun getting DP'd by children's television characters is going to turn them into a deviant and a psychopath.

I speak about this as objectively as possible.. I don't mean to come across as some advocate for the porn industry. As for me personally I would love a world that didn't shove sex, gambling and drugs in our faces 24/7 - but we do.
Kinda funny, or maybe not, how working in the porn biz is really almost viewed as bad as being in jail or so... at least in the us I heard.

-btw, would rep ya simply for the george avi. classic stuff :bow:
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Post by Lord Awesome Mon Oct 28, 2013 5:55 pm

When I hear talk of sex from most people it tends to be hushed or quiet. I believe sex is something that should be talked about more openly, especially among adults. At least then I don't think you'll suck at talking about sex to your kids if one conquer his insecurity. Pretty sure that'll lessens the risk of making your kid an abuser.
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Post by RonaldoGreatestEverRM Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:36 pm

The Awesome wrote:When I hear talk of sex from most people it tends to be hushed or quiet. I believe sex is something that should be talked about more openly, especially among adults. At least then I don't think you'll suck at talking about sex to your kids if one conquer his insecurity. Pretty sure that'll lessens the risk of making your kid an abuser.
What does this have to do with Porn?

If this is supposed to indicate Porn is something good, and should be talked about openly, then I can't say I'm not surprised with you being from America..

If thats not what you meant, then what does this have to do with Porn?
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Post by Lord Awesome Wed Oct 30, 2013 12:38 am

@RonaldoGreatestEverRM wrote:
What does this have to do with Porn?

If this is supposed to indicate Porn is something good, and should be talked about openly, then I can't say I'm not surprised with you being from America..

If thats not what you meant, then what does this have to do with Porn?
Well, let's just say I wouldn't judge someone for liking or being associated with pornography. The only times when I would have to say something are when one is being abusive towards someone else or when one is beginning to lack respect to his or herself and to others.
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Post by VivaStPauli Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:42 am

The Awesome wrote:When I hear talk of sex from most people it tends to be hushed or quiet. I believe sex is something that should be talked about more openly, especially among adults. At least then I don't think you'll suck at talking about sex to your kids if one conquer his insecurity. Pretty sure that'll lessens the risk of making your kid an abuser.
I just want to say that I think this is an incredibly smart post. Get it out in the open, then you can actually do something against the negative sides of porn specifically, and sex in general.
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