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Post by RealGunner Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:46 am

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Obsession: one teacher said some pupils couldn’t get to sleep without watching porn


There is a storm coming. I can feel it as I stand on a street corner in south London, thinking about my daughters. Lily and Rose are both 11 years old. One is crazy about dogs, the other loves owls.

They are at that tender age when the hormones have begun to stir, and they could be stomping around the room like furious teenagers one minute but snuggling up for a cuddle the next.

The girls are fast approaching 13, the age that Chevonea Kendall-Bryan was when she leaned out of one of the windows on the fourth floor of a block of flats on this street. A boy she knew was down here on the ground, but this was not Romeo and Juliet. Far from it.

Chevonea had been pressurised into performing a sex act on him, and he had shared a phone clip of her doing so with all his mates. She threatened to jump from the window if he did not delete it. Then she slipped and fell 60 feet to the ground, dying from massive brain injuries.


Her mother says she will now campaign against what is happening to young girls in our society. They are certainly under extreme pressure, having to cope with a world more brutal, more demanding and far more overtly sexual than anything their parents knew.

“Never before has girlhood been under such a sustained assault – from ads, alcohol marketing, girls’ magazines, sexually explicit TV programmes and the hard pornography that is regularly accessed in so many teenager’s bedrooms,” says the psychologist Steve Biddulph, currently touring the country to promote a book called Raising Girls.

It is a follow-up to his best-seller Raising Boys – and they are under pressure too, being led to believe that girls will look and behave like porn stars. Our children are becoming victims of pornification.
“It is usually girls who are on the receiving end of some pretty degrading stuff,” says Claire Perry MP, who has just been appointed David Cameron’s special adviser on the commercialisation and sexualisation of childhood. “We’ve got young girls being asked to write their names on their boobs and send pictures. Parents would be really shocked to know this is happening in pretty much every school in the country. Our children are growing up in a very sexualised world.”

So this is the storm my girls will soon face. I can already hear the rumblings. For their sake, I want to know, how bad is it? How widespread? I ask to speak to Mrs Perry, and while I’m waiting for the call back I read a report by the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children, which suggests it is very bad indeed. Researchers who carried out an in-depth study of the lives of pupils at two London schools in 2010 say that year eight was when they began to feel confused and overwhelmed by sexual expectations and demands.
Claire, who must be 12 or 13, is quoted as saying of the boys in her class: “If they want oral sex, they will ask every single day until you say yes.”

Kamal, a boy in the same year, says: “Say I got a girlfriend, I would ask her to write my name on her breast and then send it to me and then I would upload it on to Facebook or Bebo or something like that.” The profile picture on his phone, seen by everyone to whom he sends messages, is an image of his girlfriend’s cleavage. Some of the boys at his school have explicit images of up to 30 different girls on their phone. They swap them like we used to swap football cards. If they fancy a girl, they send her a picture of their genitals. As one teenage girl said after the report came out, sending pictures of your body parts is “the new flirting”.
Boys have always tried their luck, but now they have the technological means to apply pressure, on phones with cameras and messenger networks that no adult ever sees.

Chloe Combi, a former teacher who began her career in “a pretty posh school”, has written in the Times Educational Supplement about when it goes further: “The hardest conversation I’ve ever had was with a distraught, confused man of about 45. I had to explain to him that we had to exclude from school his seemingly non-abused, non-disturbed, well-loved daughter because she had been caught administering fellatio to a line of young men in the boys’ toilets for cash.”
Ms Combi went on: “A friend of mine, who teaches at another school (much more posh than mine) said that it had got so bad they had to go on patrol every lunchtime to prevent similar incidents.”

What is the cause of all this? We need more research, the experts say. But to a dismayed parent, it seems like the horrific result of a massive experiment. Thanks to the internet, our boys and girls are the first children to grow up with free, round-the-clock access to hardcore pornography. Porn has become part of the adult mainstream, colouring everything from advertising to best-selling books like Fifty Shades of Grey. Of course our children are affected.

Diane Abbott, the shadow public health minister, said last week: “I want to highlight what I believe is the rise of a secret garden, striptease culture in British schools and society, which has been put beyond the control of British families by fast-developing technology, and an increasingly pornified British culture.”

It starts young, with pencil cases that carry the Playboy bunny logo and Bratz dolls that look like they have just finished a shift at a strip joint. High-heeled shoes are sold to girls at the age of eight, along with knickers bearing slogans that on an adult would be meant to sound saucy. Campaigns by concerned groups like Mumsnet only stop products like these for a while, until new ones are pushed out.
The pop industry, which aims at hooking kids before they hit puberty, teaches little girls to bump and grind. I’m not a prude, but I have been called one for asking why a 10-year-old was copying the moves in a video in which Rihanna prowls like a dominatrix and sings, “Come on rude boy, boy, can you get it up? Come on rude boy, boy, is you big enough?”

Working backwards, Rihanna is inverting the more extreme imagery used by some male hip hop stars, whose videos effectively show women as sex slaves. They, in turn, offer a polished version of the behaviour in hardcore porn, which is only a click away, on imitations of YouTube.

It’s not hidden behind a paywall, it’s free. And you don’t even have to claim to be 18 to watch it. This is not the cheesy porn on the newsagent’s top shelf, which was all we could get our hands on when I was a boy. The extreme, violent stuff our children can see so easily now would make a Seventies porn star blush. Or throw up.

The ubiquity of such material has shifted the understanding of what is normal. Three-quarters of teachers surveyed for the TES last year said they believed access to porn was having a “damaging effect” on pupils. One said girls were dressing like “inflatable plastic dolls” while another said some pupils “couldn’t get to sleep without watching porn”.

However, there is also disturbing evidence that hardcore pornography has become so commonplace that some children see it as “mundane”. The pioneering NSPCC study in 2010 found that watching professional porn was seen by boys as a sign of desperation. They would rather watch – and circulate – home-made porn shots on phones with girls they knew.

This is part of the phenomenon called sexting, the exchange of sexual messages or images by text, smartphones and social networking sites. Chevonea Kendall-Bryan was a victim of it, and worse. She had been bullied by boys since the age of 11, a coroner heard earlier this month. At 13, she was forced to perform a sex act on an 18-year-old after a party. A boy of 15 later demanded the same treatment – or he would smash the windows of her south London home. When she obeyed, he filmed her on his phone and shared the clip around her school.

Sexual pressure can cause girls to contemplate suicide, self-harm, develop eating disorders, or try to lose themselves in drugs or alcohol. But does sexting only happen in the most troubled inner-city schools? No, says Prof Andy Phippen of Plymouth University, who led his own research in Cornwall, Somerset and Devon. “I’ve been into all kinds of schools – including inner city, rural and semi-rural – and I can’t remember a single one where sexting was not an issue,” he says. “It’s not a class thing either. I visit elite schools, and the kids there talk about it just as much.”

However, it is important to say that children may be telling the truth if they insist they have never come across it. Estimates of those affected range from 15 to 40 per cent of pupils, depending on where you are. And when I speak to Claire Perry, she admits: “The answer is we don’t know. I think it is a growing problem. My sense is that even in the nicest, leafiest part of the country, this is something that children are doing.”

Hadn’t we better find out? “Yes. That is why it is good that the debate is happening. Bullying has always taken place, but technology means we have given our children a space where there are no adult eyeballs watching. We have to do something about that. I expect there will be lots of difficult conversations this weekend.”

Over the past few days, she has been accused of being a snooper, after suggesting that parents should read their children’s texts and emails. “If your child was going out with somebody you thought was taking drugs, you would feel you had the right to intervene. Somehow, we don’t feel we have the right to do that in the online world. We are on the back foot. But I think that this week’s reaction shows that parents do want to be able to do this.”

Her first job, though, is to focus on the internet. Last year, Mr Cameron backed an “opt-in” system to block adult content on home computers. The idea has now been dropped, however. A consultation showed that the majority of people thought it too draconian, admits Mrs Perry – but she is now working with internet service providers on a series of changes, including a block on adult content on public Wi-Fi. In the home, customers will have to verify that they are over 18 and want access to adult content, or else restrictions will apply. “You will have to say, 'I don’t want that filter.’ Once we have this, we will lead the world in online child safety.”

All of which is fine, except it won’t do a thing about sexting. In any case, technologically savvy boys like my 15-year-old will find a way round it if they want to. Of course, he will seek out pictures of people having sex. Boys do. I’m just scared of the effects of the tsunami of hardcore he must see any time he tries. As Claire Perry says: “Porn is a terrible sexual educator and that is not where our children should be getting their information.”

As for his sisters, I shudder. I don’t want them to live in a world in which romance means boy meets girl, boy sends a picture of his genitals. Lily and Rose are not their real names, by the way. I’m that afraid of their being drawn in. We clearly need to talk, awkward as it may be.
As adults, we also have to be clear where the blame lies. I’m reminded of that as I travel home to hug the girls, and a text arrives from a 14-year-old friend of the family. Responding to the call to talk about the pressure she’s under, she texts: “DON’T bash the kids. We don’t sell porn. Grown-ups do. YOU FIX IT!!!!”


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/9828589/Children-and-the-culture-of-pornography-Boys-will-ask-you-every-day-until-you-say-yes.html

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It's already far too late to stop any of this imo. But then it was never considered a problem and it still isn't by many
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Post by Mamad Sun Feb 17, 2013 8:28 am

Porn is disgusting. both the business and people involved in it. and i'm agree with what Claire Perry said. for Children porn is the worst way to learn about sex.

but its very hard to stop this situation imo. not with all the technology and things.
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Post by VivaStPauli Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:55 am

Okay, a couple of points:
1) I don't believe that shit like this didn't happen in previous generations. It's just, that, if a 100 years ago, a girl got pressured into sex, or even rape, everyone ignored it, so she wouldn't be "disgraced", as if it was her fault.

If she happened to get pregnant, this either meant a shotgun-wedding, or it meant the kid being raised by it's granny, or by an aunt or whoever was of proper age, and married, to be having a child.

The publics awareness of something bad doesn't mean it's more prevalent than it used to be.

2) Porn is great. There's even studies on it. Makes people relieve sexual tension. Sure, 11 year olds probably shouldn't watch hardcore bondage porn, but TBH if teenagers had access to decent porn, and had a good wank once in a while, they'd probably get into less trouble, not more.

2.1) Seriously, I got to go to work in a couple of minutes, but I'll google this shit later, there really are studies that show that ready access to porn reduces cases of sexual(ly motivated) violence.

And a sidenote to Mamad: why do people in porn disgust you? Most of them actually enjoy it, it's not like they're sex-slaves or anything, many porn stars build a proper career out of it, and even after retirement, speak very highly of their years taking it up the ass.
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Post by Mamad Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:09 am

And a sidenote to Mamad: why do people in porn disgust you?

Because they do disgusting things.
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Post by VivaStPauli Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:29 am

@Mamad wrote:
And a sidenote to Mamad: why do people in porn disgust you?

Because they do disgusting things.

You should try most of it, it's quite wonderful if you're involved.
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Post by Mamad Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:51 am

No it's not. most of the things they do isn't enjoyable for them and is disgusting.
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Post by rwo power Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:31 pm

You'd better right "I consider it disgusting" as the question what is disgusting or not is just culturally indoctrinated.

As for the above text - if parents would take better care of parenting and teach kids to be strong enough to be able to withstand peer pressure, there would be no problem at all. My parents always told me to do what I like to do and not give a damn about what "other people" find proper as long as I would never hurt anybody unless in self-defense. That's why I decided I'm interested in technology and science (and football Razz) and always was the odd one out in a girls-only school, but actually, I just never felt the need I'd have to fit in and "do what everybody does". Only weak persons do "what others do", and I really pity them as they were brought up the wrong way.

Parents should teach girls to fight back and not be meek and nice. Nice obedient girls are the problem as they can be scared into doing stupid things. (But of course guys are afraid of a girl that actually hits them if they try to bully her, so parents will probably keep on taking care that girls rather let things happen to them than fight back).
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Post by alexander mahone Sun Feb 17, 2013 2:52 pm

Porn like many other things in the world can be good or bad depending on how we manage with it. Only ourselves know how porn affecting us personally however it is, what matters is how we manage and respond to that effect wisely. But kids doesn't have that much of self awareness yet and hence prone to self-destructive effect from porn such as addiction, etc and which is why they aren't suppose to watch it in the first place, but realistically that's hard to control.

Not sure how much of these distraught kids that actually bullied other kids, but the whole bullying stuffs seem like a separate problem and not much different than any other cases of bullying which imo are the product of lack of respect and care to others. Sure some are weaker than others, but that doesn't make it right to bully them, sexually or not. I mean even without porn effect, these kids who pressured other kids sexually probably would end up bullying others anyway in another way. Whether it is nature or nurture, seems like these bullier species just wouldn't extinct, with or without porn.
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Post by Eivindo Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:21 am

@Mamad wrote:No it's not. most of the things they do isn't enjoyable for them and is disgusting.

u mean having 2 monster terror black cocks in ur asshole is not wonderful?
























u should try it :coffee:
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Post by Cruijf Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:32 am

@RealGunner wrote:It's already far too late to stop any of this imo. But then it was never considered a problem and it still isn't by many

That's the real problem IMO.

This will never stop until people actually recognize it as the problem it is.

Psychologically, it has massive negative effects, and medically it causes many problems later in life that I'd rather not get into here.

But beyond that, morally, it's a disgusting, disgusting thing. It degrades women and presents them as pure objects of sex.

And the worst thing is, it's not even subtle.

"Blonde B**** gets banged"

"Sl** gets it in the A**"

And that's not even getting into the huge problems it's causing for youth around the world, as this article mentions.

And yet we have people in this very thread saying it's good for you :facepalm:
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Post by nichabr Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:06 am

It is good for people when it comes to relieving sexual tension and it is bad for you how the people in the porn industry refer to women...Also their is no one here that can say women enjoy bukakes or some of the disgusting shit people call porn.
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Post by CBarca Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:45 am

Why do you care how the women in the industry are? If they don't enjoy it, or feel as if they should be treated better, they would get out of the porn industry or try and advocate for more rights. You see them doing neither. No one is forcing women into the porn industry- that's a choice they made and they can leave any time. You don't see women forming unions for more right in porn- obviously they don't have too much of a problem with the way they are being treated.

Psychologically, it has massive negative effects, and medically it causes many problems later in life that I'd rather not get into here.

What? What MASSIVE negative effects does it have? Both psychologically (and physiologically if you know any)?

Don't give me any crap about how it makes 'sex' boring or that it causes you to be addicted to it and you neglect other parts of your life and all that. Anyone who has sex and has watched porn knows a clear difference, wtf? Nobody prefers porn to sex. Nobody. Also, neglect as a side effect of porn addiction is the same as any other addiction, that's not a valid side effect of porn that's a negative side effect of any addictive behavior.

Poison is in the dose. Any addictive behavior is bad. Porn in moderation and with a mentally stable person has no effect. I know tons of people who watch porn and are just fine, and they have said so. Not that that backs much up, I'm simply saying.

But beyond that, morally, it's a disgusting, disgusting thing. It degrades women and presents them as pure objects of sex.

Same thing for men. There is a lot of porn out there buddy and I'm sure a lot of it goes the other way around too. Hell that's kind of the point of porn, isn't it?

Anyway, there is a big difference between presenting women as pure objects of sex and people thinking the same. Just because you watch a lot of porn doesn't mean you're going to go out and look at women as just objects of sex.

Violence is constantly on television, especially here in the US. I watched Django Unchained a couple weeks ago...do I have the ambition to go out and shoot black people and call them ni**ers? No. We're smarter than that. This is the same crap the media feeds to parents about video games every time a shooting happens.

I'd like to point out actually that I don't watch porn. I've got a relatively active imagination and hell I kinda prefer it that way, so I don't need porn and I choose not to watch it. But to say that porn is the biggest evil in the world and we must destroy it and it has massive psychological side effects...no.
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Post by Mamad Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:20 pm

Why do you care how the women in the industry are? If they don't enjoy it, or feel as if they should be treated better, they would get out of the porn industry or try and advocate for more rights. You see them doing neither. No one is forcing women into the porn industry- that's a choice they made and they can leave any time. You don't see women forming unions for more right in porn- obviously they don't have too much of a problem with the way they are being treated.

Everyone knows they are in it JUST for money. and they have to pretend they like it. there is no other way.

If someone wants to choose to be degraded it doesn't mean that's OK and she isn't getting degraded.

as i said this "it's their choice so there isn't a problem" thing is a very bad weak and wrong argument.

imagine some very very poor person who is fighting to death for living through a day. if you go to him and say i will give you 10000 dollar if you let me cut your finger he will say yes. he chooses it. but that doesn't mean there is no problem to cut a person's finger.

There are many videos of women who cry during shooting porn. there are tons of videos that you can clearly see that the girl involve in a scene isn't happy and actually is sad and Upset. they accept it but that doesn't make it right.
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Post by Mamad Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:21 pm

@Eivindo wrote:
@Mamad wrote:No it's not. most of the things they do isn't enjoyable for them and is disgusting.

u mean having 2 monster terror black cocks in ur asshole is not wonderful?

u should try it :coffee:

tell me about it you seem to know how it feel. lol.
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Post by Die Borussen Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:24 pm

hardcore threesome hooozaaah


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Post by VivaStPauli Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:03 pm

There's tons of ex-pornstars out there who are under no pressure to lie about their time as pornstars, and a lot of them say they loved it.

Some people are just exhibitionists with a huge sex drive. Let them have their dream jobs.
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Post by CBarca Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:44 pm

@Mamad wrote:
Why do you care how the women in the industry are? If they don't enjoy it, or feel as if they should be treated better, they would get out of the porn industry or try and advocate for more rights. You see them doing neither. No one is forcing women into the porn industry- that's a choice they made and they can leave any time. You don't see women forming unions for more right in porn- obviously they don't have too much of a problem with the way they are being treated.

Everyone knows they are in it JUST for money. and they have to pretend they like it. there is no other way.

If someone wants to choose to be degraded it doesn't mean that's OK and she isn't getting degraded.

as i said this "it's their choice so there isn't a problem" thing is a very bad weak and wrong argument.

imagine some very very poor person who is fighting to death for living through a day. if you go to him and say i will give you 10000 dollar if you let me cut your finger he will say yes. he chooses it. but that doesn't mean there is no problem to cut a person's finger.

There are many videos of women who cry during shooting porn. there are tons of videos that you can clearly see that the girl involve in a scene isn't happy and actually is sad and Upset. they accept it but that doesn't make it right.

That's the choice they made though.

I don't understand. If you don't like it, get out of the industry. These women aren't starving women in Africa digging through trash to find something valuable to sell so maybe they can eat. They've got money and they're not starving, they choose to put themselves through whatever happens and they know what happens beforehand. They think it's worth it.

Sure, you might be right that it isn't right- but I never argued that. What I'm saying is that they obviously think it's worth it and if they were all being treated so badly there would be no women in the industry and they would fight for things to be better as has been done in history countless times in many companies over and over again. This is their choice, they know what they're getting into- maybe it's not right but that's the choice they made.

These more extreme cases you bring up are also not a majority in porn. They don't represent the porn industry.

As Viva said, many said they loved it or enjoyed it.
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Post by RedOranje Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:52 pm

I'm not sure how anyone feels they have the right or providence to speak on behalf of the feelings and experiences of others when he/she has had no interaction or shared experiences with them.

Honestly, acting as though (and believing that) one can understand and interpret their emotions and beliefs without so much as a single instance of firsthand experience or interaction (with those in question) seems as demeaning and insulting as the industry itself is claimed to be. Both (supposedly) treat the actors and actresses involved as somehow less than a full, complex, complete human being...
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Post by Guest Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:35 pm

@RedOranje wrote:I'm not sure how anyone feels they have the right or providence to speak on behalf of the feelings and experiences of others when he/she has had no interaction or shared experiences with them.

Honestly, acting as though (and believing that) one can understand and interpret their emotions and beliefs without so much as a single instance of firsthand experience or interaction (with those in question) seems as demeaning and insulting as the industry itself is claimed to be. Both (supposedly) treat the actors and actresses involved as somehow less than a full, complex, complete human being...

:bow:

I fear that I have arrived too late and do not have the energy to respond to everyone - I will do my best to address all comments in one paragraph.

My first problem with most of the comments in this thread was the fact that most of you failed to look at things from a perspective outside of your own, e.g., Mamad, your disgust for porn makes it impossible for you to offer an objective opinion on the topic at hand. I have mixed feelings on the industry, although some of y'all are acting like people do not get degraded in other careers. I try to limit how much I watch (if any at all) and I would say I have had issues with it in the past (I have an addictive personality, so I am inclined to agree with CBarca.

@CBarca wrote:

I'd like to point out actually that I don't watch porn. I've got a relatively active imagination and hell I kinda prefer it that way, so I don't need porn and I choose not to watch it. But to say that porn is the biggest evil in the world and we must destroy it and it has massive psychological side effects...no.

I was the exact same way as a youth - hold onto that for as long as you can. I also was opposed to pornography back then, I thought it was dirty and you can say it is something I still struggle with today (but I will save that for another time).

If you do not like it do not watch it. If it bothers you so much, go out and try to make a difference.

@rwo power wrote:You'd better right "I consider it disgusting" as the question what is disgusting or not is just culturally indoctrinated.

As for the above text - if parents would take better care of parenting and teach kids to be strong enough to be able to withstand peer pressure, there would be no problem at all. My parents always told me to do what I like to do and not give a damn about what "other people" find proper as long as I would never hurt anybody unless in self-defense. That's why I decided I'm interested in technology and science (and football Razz) and always was the odd one out in a girls-only school, but actually, I just never felt the need I'd have to fit in and "do what everybody does". Only weak persons do "what others do", and I really pity them as they were brought up the wrong way.

Parents should teach girls to fight back and not be meek and nice. Nice obedient girls are the problem as they can be scared into doing stupid things. (But of course guys are afraid of a girl that actually hits them if they try to bully her, so parents will probably keep on taking care that girls rather let things happen to them than fight back).

I applaud you and your parents, rwo, but you must remember that everyone is different. There very well may be a child out there who is not as strong mentally and they might succumb more easily to peer pressure. Growing up I actually dealt with the opposite problem - I was not your "typical" sexually motivated boy and I can still relate to that as a man. It is difficult for me when sexual conversations arise with other males: for starters, I do not like to talk about the women I have sex with (I find that to be personal) and at times it seems like that is all some guys want to speak about. I do agree that a strong support system at home is a great first step, but I think it would be foolish to believe that to be a full proof plan. School can be a overwhelming place and some kids do not cope with that pressure as well as others.

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Post by Arquitecto Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:33 pm

I find myself agreeing with Mamad through some factors as the sole premise of Pornography is without class and to an extent, repugnant. And no, there is nothing useful about Porn as the studies that promote it are the same pop studies that promote Masturbation through cookie-cutter x=Xi(w) samples and surveys. Child Molesters and sexual offenders are have been indicated to have significantly more Pornography exposure compared to the average man. The premise that is reduces sexually motivated crimes is near barnyard psychology. If we look at the common porn culture its completely demeaning to the female along with psychologically promoting a near degradation in social evolution along with a warped idea of social-sexual dynamics. We have all these sexually frustrated males who refuse to get off their ass and augment their personal being in order to be successful with women, yet their bullshit- blue pill Pornography escapades prevents them from getting of their ass, going in the field and picking up what they dream of behind their computer/television screen. The sheer act of relieving yourself to fictitious sexual acts right in front of you is what continues to promote these sexually frustrated B-type males which will only raise their dysfunctional debilitation of their social dynamics outside their fantasy. In other words, it is a complete and utter waste of time that brings no benefit (pointing to the opposite actually) and can be considerably addictive if not addressed properly.


Only should watch (in strict moderation[if not at all]) if you get blue balls from getting flaked by a woman or for academic purposes as this time spent watching Porn can be better spent going out in the field and achieving success with females that actually have tangible F**KING results.

Porn Stars? Yes they are most probably wholesome and wonderful human beings yet what do they contribute to society? What purpose do they really carry within their lives if Pornography is who they are? You are what your job is. You are as useful as what you produce. Are we born to exist? Or to create existence?


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Post by VivaStPauli Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:18 pm

@Arquitecto wrote:What purpose do they really carry within their lives if Pornography is who they are?

Happiness is it's own reward, imho.

You are what your job is. You are as useful as what you produce. Are we born to exist? Or to create existence?

While it's nice to produce shit, let's not get too placative here, half of western society doesn't produce anything tangible, I'd much prefer porn stars over lawyers, bankers, clergy and other useless professions.

And most of the points concerning porn raised here aren't inherit to porn - the degrading aspect (towards women, mostly) are hallmarks not intrensic of porn, they're the mark of bad porn.
Get good porn. Classy porn does exist.
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Post by Die Borussen Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:21 pm

so im a B-type male :whistle:

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Post by Arquitecto Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:25 am

@VivaStPauli wrote:
@Arquitecto wrote:What purpose do they really carry within their lives if Pornography is who they are?

Happiness is it's own reward, imho.

You are what your job is. You are as useful as what you produce. Are we born to exist? Or to create existence?

While it's nice to produce shit, let's not get too placative here, half of western society doesn't produce anything tangible, I'd much prefer porn stars over lawyers, bankers, clergy and other useless professions.

And most of the points concerning porn raised here aren't inherit to porn - the degrading aspect (towards women, mostly) are hallmarks not intrensic of porn, they're the mark of bad porn.
Get good porn. Classy porn does exist.

I 100% agree on your point of Happiness. Yet isn't the fundamental goal of life's odyssey to produce? contribute and be someone relevant? Happiness can be achieved just by venturing into the wild, being hermit and pouring ashes over your head but what will that accomplish? What has been the measure of success? Personal happiness? Is that enough?

We cannot follow the benchmark of Western Society which as it seems is increasingly forming a disparity of success to failure nor can we exemplify ourselves from the Western example of productivity. Your damn right that Bankers and Clergies are deadbeat jobs with little EOL (end of life) product but where is difference made in being a pornstar? Your life is a project... accumulation. Goal: Max out your manly talents of intelligence, creativity, wealth-generation, physical competence, societal benchmark and difference. Damn I could go on all night about this so with respect to you, I wont go off topic.

Classy porn is an exception to the rule, as the point transcends to the fact that is always always better to go out and get rejected hard then experience an intangible script (porn) which will only bring further compulsion to pleasure yourself to its evanescence. Consider the evolution of Porn, My father says that kids these days have no idea what it was like back when we had to walk 5 miles through the snow, uphill both ways, dodging suicide bombers, to get to number 2 pencil sketches of vaj. Today it’s log on, rub one out, get back to whatever you were doing. There’s no anticipation. It’s not Christmas morning anymore, it’s a typical Tuesday afternoon. If it is true (and I happen to believe that it is) that modern porn — ubiquitous, on-demand, high definition, free hardcore (or classy) porn — is a supernormal stimuli the likes of which have never been experienced by men at any point in human civilization until now, then we can make a reasonable leap of logic from our current porn-saturated world to a world full of sexbots, and what the toll will be on society. Sexbots will take supernormal stimuli into uncharted territory; dopamine receptors may very well explode aneurytically. Assuming porn is making men lazy, apathetic and demotivated, imagine what life-like sexbots who resemble Diane Kruger will do to men! I can foresee a distant future where masses of betas and omegas become shut-ins, telecommuting for their sustenance while getting their lust (and mavbe love; have you seen bronies?) needs met by artificial babes who, on the internal male balance sheet, are a more fulfilling choice of sexual partner than the chubby human female 4s and 5s with tankgrrl attitude they could get in the flesh. And with a lot less effort and shit tests.

Some free thinkers may ask, “What’s the equivalent of modern supernormal stimuli for women? What dopaminergic threats hijack the pleasure centers of women’s brains and render them incompatible civilizational partners and incorrigible entitled mating prospects?”

Answer: 50 Shades of Gray, tabloids, Facebook, OkCupid, pulp romance novels, pretty much everything on TV, high glycemic carbs.

Its all a vicious cycle that is a slow death of society's raw initiative that seems to be taking turn onto their own very satisfaction of their most primal needs.

Kon Adenauer was spot on all along.
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Post by Cruijf Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:35 am

A few of the many negative psychological effects of pornography:

Rewires the male brain to objectify women

‘Softcore pornography has a very negative effect on men as well. The problem with softcore pornography is that it’s voyeurism teaches men to view women as objects rather than to be in relationships with women as human beings.’ According to Brooks, pornography gives men the false impression that sex and pleasure are entirely divorced from relatoinships. In other words, pornography is inherently self-centered–something a man does by himself, for himself–by using another women as the means to pleasure, as yet another product to consume (80).

Sex becomes an itch to scratch, nothing more

In one study surveying 471 Dutch teens ages 13 to 18, the researchers found that the more often young people sought out online porn, the more likely they were to have a "recreational" attitude toward sex--specifically, to view sex as a purely physical function like eating or drinking.

You don't need to care about someone to have sex with them, and more objectification of women.

In the study, reported in the December 2006 Journal of Communication (Vol. 56, No. 4, pages 639-660), the team also found a relationship between porn use and the feeling that it wasn't necessary to have affection for people to have sex with them. Boys were much more likely to hold these views than girls, and they tended to hold these attitudes more strongly when they perceived the material as realistic, the team found.
In a related study in the March issue of Sex Roles (Vol. 56, No. 5/6, pages 381-395), the Dutch team found a link between the type and explicitness of sexual media the teens saw and their tendency to view women as sexual "play things." The more explicit the material viewed, the more likely young people were to see women in these ways--and Internet movie porn was the only media type to show a statistically significant relationship, they found.

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Post by Die Borussen Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:48 am

sexbots hmm

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