Re: Varane appreciation thread

by eelir Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:51 am

Great player for his age. It looks like he has what it takes to be one of the best in few years.

by billy_gr Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:13 am

varane >>> me

by SuperMAG Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:22 am

by Mamad Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:38 am

That speed vs Fabregas :bow:

by sportsczy Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:44 am

Btw, Deschamps had a 1 hour interview last week on Equipe 21 tv station... he explained the context of why he feels that players that go to lower clubs, even in the EPL, are hurting themselves:
- Player who play in big clubs will always have the advantage because they are used to dealing with pressure and play in more complex tactical schemes.
- He doesn't think EPL is very good tactically other than a handful of teams (lol). Doesn't think it's good for development unless you're in one of those teams.
- Doesn't like players who are used to reacting and being on their heels, which is what happens with bottom of the table teams.
- From a practical standpoint, they are just not followed as much as if they were in France. If you're going to leave France, Deschamps thinks you should go to a better situation than the one you're in. Easy to become forgotten.

Can't say that I disagree with him. He's just giving his opinion from the NT perspective. It's obviously just one perspective that a player should consider.

by free_cat Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:03 am

Very good game from Varane, indeed. He had some luck that it was Cesc who was in the end of that long ball, the slowest player in our team. Also that Carvalho voluntarily handballed that Messi run (and ref didn't whistle), otherwise he would have made a foul/penalty on messi.

by sportsczy Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:45 am

Barca fans... just stay away lol. We don't need your garbage commentary on here.

by free_cat Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:46 am

Our precise and detailed commentary.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:52 am

sportsczy wrote:Btw, Deschamps had a 1 hour interview last week on Equipe 21 tv station... he explained the context of why he feels that players that go to lower clubs, even in the EPL, are hurting themselves:
- Player who play in big clubs will always have the advantage because they are used to dealing with pressure and play in more complex tactical schemes.
- He doesn't think EPL is very good tactically other than a handful of teams (lol). Doesn't think it's good for development unless you're in one of those teams.
- Doesn't like players who are used to reacting and being on their heels, which is what happens with bottom of the table teams.
- From a practical standpoint, they are just not followed as much as if they were in France. If you're going to leave France, Deschamps thinks you should go to a better situation than the one you're in. Easy to become forgotten.

Can't say that I disagree with him. He's just giving his opinion from the NT perspective. It's obviously just one perspective that a player should consider.

Someone better tell half our team then lol.

Also found out this morning that we wanted him before Madrid and Yanited got involved Laughing

If you're French you're wanted it seems Laughing

by sportsczy Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:55 am

Yeah Mole... all it means is that they better help Newcastle move up into top tier. I don't think anyone will argue that Pardew is an idiot tactically. Deschamps doesn't want to say it, but that's what he's getting at.

Remy and M'Vila killed their NT careers tbh.

by eelir Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:57 am

sportsczy wrote:Barca fans... just stay away lol. We don't need your garbage commentary on here.

So it is official! General Section is only for RM fans!

by sportsczy Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:59 am

eelir wrote:
sportsczy wrote:Barca fans... just stay away lol. We don't need your garbage commentary on here.

So it is official! General Section is only for RM fans!

Not all of you. There are some really good Barca fans tbh. Just the trollish ones.

If you can't say something intelligent in a thread and feel the need to spew nonsense, just stay away lol.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:03 pm

sportsczy wrote:Yeah Mole... all it means is that they better help Newcastle move up into top tier. I don't think anyone will argue that Pardew is an idiot tactically. Deschamps doesn't want to say it, but that's what he's getting at.

Remy and M'Vila killed their NT careers tbh.

Yeah

honestly the players took us close to that top tier last season so despite his idiocy we should be ok.

As for Remy he can come back because of his relegation clause but M'Vila looks well and truly f*cked.

by worms Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:28 pm

Lol at people blaming Varane for the goal,shows you how good he played that that is the only fault people can find.There is nothing Varane could have done to prevent that goal.

I am still disappointed that Iniesta didn't get MOTM though as I thought he was slightly better though,hard to begrudge Varane though,he played the best I have ever seen him.

I think the way to go is have Varane play with one of Pepe or Ramos,as I have said before Ramos and Pepe are too similar in style,they are both too aggressive to form a consistent solid CB partnership.Look how much more composed Ramos looked with Pique in the Euros.Pique was the defender who covered mainly and Ramos was the one who came out of defense to pressure.Varane has all the tools to be the one who covers,he has the height,pace and composure to do it.

I would like to see Madrid play this defense for the remainder of the season until they buy a more attacking RB:

Ramos-----Varane-----Pepe-----Marcelo.

by worms Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:33 pm

sportsczy wrote:
Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Says the person who thinks Varane is the best defender in La Liga

When did i say that? I said that i think Varane can be a WC player in the future. He has the potential. The best defender in La Liga is.... Abidal. But he's injured. Pique was crap when i watched him in the Euros and in the clasicos before this one. I can't really rate him since i don't watch Barca otherwise. He was WC 2 years ago and, if he's back at that level, he is the best defender then.

I think Pepe and Ramos are better individual defenders at this point. But they are tactically inept, which Varane is not. As a pairing, i think Pepe-Varane or Ramos-Varane is far better. Heck, Carvalho is even better as a pairing partner with those guys.

I think Puyol is not what he used to be. Good defender... but no longer very good.

Other than that, La Liga doesn't have great defenses. I mean Lugano plays for Malaga ffs and he was atrocious at PSG. It's just not a CB rich league. In fact, i think La Liga CBs are the worst of the elite leagues in Europe overall.

What an embarrassing argument to use,he hasn't even played for Malaga yet.You have no shame.

And Pique poor in the Euros,ok Laughing

Pique has been great since around April last years.

by Valkyrja Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:20 pm

Ozil played better than Iniesta...

by Onyx Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:29 pm

--------Carvajal---Varane---Ramos---Marcelo

hmm

by worms Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:38 pm

likeastar wrote:Ozil played better than Iniesta...

He played well but he weren't as good and he isn't as good as Iniesta.

by Valkyrja Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:44 pm

ozil's influence in madrid is much bigger than iniesta's, infact madrid can't attack without him, barca can still play without andres.

by eelir Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:59 pm

likeastar wrote:ozil's influence in madrid is much bigger than iniesta's, infact madrid can't attack without him, barca can still play without andres.

And that means Ozil is better then Iniesta? Or maybe it means RM have no other creative player who can creat as good as Ozil, while Barca have 2-3 of them?

by sportsczy Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:01 pm

ozil is not better than Iniesta ffs...

by Pedram Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:05 pm

likeastar

by Margera Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:22 pm

I am surprised and happy about Varane's performance. Did fantastic for a 19-year old and in his first clasico. Having said that I was quite disappointed by our overall game, we were somewhat lucky to get the draw in my opinion.

Will be interesting to see if Varane becomes a consistent starter now. Great performance from him anyway.

by worms Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:27 pm

Thought Diego Lopez was excellent too.Very quick coming off his line(like when Messi was played in on goal Lopez was right on top of him) and stayed on his feet as long as possible on that Pedro chance.He is much more imposing than Casillas I think and better in the air,he has 5 inches on him so there is a big difference in size.

He looked better than Casilas has looked all season.

by RealGunner Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:30 pm

Margera wrote:I am surprised and happy about Varane's performance. Did fantastic for a 19-year old and in his first clasico. Having said that I was quite disappointed by our overall game, we were somewhat lucky to get the draw in my opinion.

Will be interesting to see if Varane becomes a consistent starter now. Great performance from him anyway.

Superbad

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:32 pm

He's been called up for France for friendly against Germany btw.

Full squad if anyones interested....

Goalkeepers: Mickael Landreau (Bastia), Hugo Lloris (Tottenham Hotspur), Steve Mandanda (Marseille)

Defenders: Gael Clichy (Manchester City), Mathieu Debuchy (Newcastle United), Patrice Evra (Manchester United), Laurent Koscielny (Arsenal), Adil Rami (Valence), Bacary Sagna (Arsenal), Mamadou Sakho (Paris St Germain), Raphael Varane (Real Madrid)

Midfielders: Yohan Cabaye (Newcastle United), Etienne Capoue (Toulouse), Maxime Gonalons (Lyon), Blaise Matuidi (Paris St Germain), Moussa Sissoko (Newcastle United), Mathieu Valbuena (Marseille)

Forwards: Romain Alessandrini (Stade Rennes), Karim Benzema (Real Madrid), Olivier Giroud (Arsenal), Bafetimbi Gomis (Lyon), Jeremy Menez (Paris St Germain), Franck Ribery (Bayern Munich)

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