Should Allegri Stay?

Forza wrote:

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The more I think of it this is really huge news, for good or bad.

It is a big moment for Allegri's career undoubtedly, and a pretty big decision by the management to trust him when there is a clearer sense than at any other time that a new project is in the making. I think even when he first got the job at Milan and we had a solid team, it felt like it was a transition, kind of as he was a caretaker. What he achieved also felt like a bonus more than what we could demand. And, despite mostly horrible football to watch, he did very good.

Now it all comes down to whether he is handed the players we need. If he gets 2-3 starting material players and couple of good squad players, we should expect results or else it can be considered Allegri's failure. There is a lot potential in this team, and one could feel that we're just a some signings away from being a very interesting team. Hopefully we will add more young players to the equation.

I somehow have faith that Allegri can get us results with the right tools, although Europe (and other "big games", but those matter to me only in that they're important to challenge for Serie A) is still a question mark. I trust him less about us playing attractive football again. My hope is that by adding quality of the right kind in midfield -say, adding another Montolivo- that can change.

Forza wrote:

Zlatan wrote:The more I think of it this is really huge news, for good or bad.

It is a big moment for Allegri's career undoubtedly, and a pretty big decision by the management to trust him when there is a clearer sense than at any other time that a new project is in the making. I think even when he first got the job at Milan and we had a solid team, it felt like it was a transition, kind of as he was a caretaker. What he achieved also felt like a bonus more than what we could demand. And, despite mostly horrible football to watch, he did very good.

Now it all comes down to whether he is handed the players we need. If he gets 2-3 starting material players and couple of good squad players, we should expect results or else it can be considered Allegri's failure. There is a lot potential in this team, and one could feel that we're just a some signings away from being a very interesting team. Hopefully we will add more young players to the equation.

I somehow have faith that Allegri can get us results with the right tools, although Europe (and other "big games", but those matter to me only in that they're important to challenge for Serie A) is still a question mark. I trust him less about us playing attractive football again. My hope is that by adding quality of the right kind in midfield -say, adding another Montolivo- that can change.

Go wash your mouth vasanth , Leo was a fkn caretaker alright . When Allegri signed for Milan , majority agreed that we at least got a real coach in our hands , though as many were concerned pressuming he was inexperienced.. A well known fact , Capello had less experience as coach before he took Milan from Sacchi ..

They should have known better , though , because any coach who had to begin coaching from such low levels and after a few years make his way to a club like Milan , he has the sort of experience needed and Max proved it. He has dealt with almost every situation possible at Milan , most times succesfully. These days , he only needs the right players to make Milan a formidable team on the field again. You may have doubts about Allegri and what sort of football Milan will be playing , but imo you shouldn't. How many times it must be said that a coach isn't a wizard ?

He can't make players like Muntari , Ambrosini , Flamini or Zapata and Nocerino play the kind of football the crowds want to see , well not at their current age.Players become all they are meant to be near the age of 25-26 , then they can only improve so much and it's mostly tactical adjustments to fit a coach's demands. He can only make them perform as best they can in their roles and he has succeeded in this aspect , more than he gets praise for. I get what you say , i want better football from Milan as well.

But when one is accustomed to watch elite players for years , it's only normal you will find the next day different. It takes time to reach such levels again once a team changes. Milan , as long as i can remember at least , played possesion football. Not possesion whoring like Pep's Barcelona , but possesion was always vital to our game along with a well organised defensive minded stance . We continue this style under Allegri to a great degree actualy and i am of a mind that you can't find that next door.

Something last.

I strongly believe to this day , that had B & G spend some cash after the last Scudetto , we would have at least won Serie A again.
Let's assume we had bought Hamsik , who himself had admitted he would have left then , only for Berlusconi to promise in Naples that Milan wouldn't go for Hamsik, so he could gain image again for politic reasons. Had Hamsik joined us then , people would have held Allegri in immense regard today , i am 100% certain. Because so many things would be different today , yes for a single player. No matter how good a coach is , if the players aren't able to transform his ideas into reality , it won't happen. No coach can teach certain kind of players things they weren't able to do for years. They are human not robots.

Let's have a look under young players who improved, some vastly , under Allegri.

Silva
Abate
Pato
De Sciglio
Boateng
El Sharaawy
Merkel
Emanuelson

Some left , for different reasons each , yet you cannot that they all improved as players under Allegri. But perhaps his most difficult achievement with regards to players , didn't come with youngsters. It was with the experienced players.

He was able to inspire our old guard to feel the need to win again , after they had won almost everything there was to win. Seedorf and Pirlo had lost their magic for a while , untill Allegri arrived. Van Bommel and Ambrosini had some of the best performances of their career at an advanced age under Allegri. Abbiati , though he had been good with Leo , became a vital part under Allegri , to the point where in the summer we talk about his replacement and during the season we want him to stay yet another year. Inzaghi was always motivated , though with players like Pato , Cassano and Ibra most of all in front of him , he couldn't hope for much at his age , yet he did have his brilliant moments under Allegri.

Nesta i will leave out of this , the man was a defensive god . But Pirlo , who wanted out for so long , under Allegri he realised that if he didn't give his 100% , he would rot in the bench and that made him stand up on his feet again , for good as we have seen .. That he didn't accept Galliani's proposal for yearly extentions , only means one thing , he wanted to take the easy road , settle with his money and place assured , it's better for Milan that he left. And him , obviously.

I said all that to emhasize that once we get the players Allegri wants to work with , we will see better games from Milan , for that i have no doubt. Allegri was always able to make the best out of his players , even before Milan. It's not a coincedence he has won Coach of the year twice with Cagliari ; not sure how many remember that Cagliari , but it was a very good team for their standards. Astori got back in the frame because of Allegri , Nainggollan was developed under Allegri , Pisano was meeting expectations under Allegri too. He's a great coach , able of both the spectacle and the result , just not when Galliani brings players like Acerbi , Traore , Muntari , e.t.c.

Few coaches in the world would have done as well with such players , never mention the crisis injury which has thankfully remained in the past. I think he's one of the best coaches in the world , i mean it. I cannot justify for this notion much , because we haven't won that huge under him , but i can tell when a coach does his job and Allegri is doing it restlessly and with a passion. That he stayed it is indeed great news and our season only meant positive the moment it was official that he will keep going. I am not kidding myself though ; if we don't make the group stages , he's gone. If we make group stages , he will extend his contract and will continue since 2015 , at least.

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I agree that Allegri has done great with what he's had, and that our squad in not at all equipped to create beautiful football of any kind, except perhaps solid, dynamic counter attacking games like vs. Barça at San Siro.

But we did not produce that kind of performances even against the minnows. And there are other small things. Every match day we can see fellow Milanistas complaining about extremely defensive line ups and the poor substitutions(though he has improved on that front lately, thanks largely in part to Pazzo).

So it's not like he's been perfect. He has done a very good with the resources he's had, but he could have been better in some important aspects too. Definitely enough to stay, but not quite as to say it's unquestionable.

Zlatan wrote:I agree that Allegri has done great with what he's had, and that our squad in not at all equipped to create beautiful football of any kind, except perhaps solid, dynamic counter attacking games like vs. Barça at San Siro.

But we did not produce that kind of performances even against the minnows. And there are other small things. Every match day we can see fellow Milanistas complaining about extremely defensive line ups and the poor substitutions(though he has improved on that front lately, thanks largely in part to Pazzo).

So it's not like he's been perfect. He has done a very good with the resources he's had, but he could have been better in some important aspects too. Definitely enough to stay, but not quite as to say it's unquestionable.

Come on Vasanth , how can you play counter attacks against lesser quality teams who sit back all the time ? It's not possible for 75-80m during Serie A games to expect them to attack Milan , so we can try counters..neither intense pressing is possible because it will make our defense disorganised at the back and we are trully awful when we are disorganised at the back , we don't have that much quality , like with Nesta-Silva to expect moments of brilliance. But put aside these reasons which are more than enough to disprove that argument, let me explain a bit further.

First of all , the minnows you mentioned , might be of smaller pedigree and quality , yet every one of them understood full well that if they tried to take the initiative against Milan they would get slaughtered on the counter , sooner or later.Chievo was the first to know this ,in the 5-1 earlier in the season . Barcelona , Juventus , Fiorentina and to a degree Roma , always try to play their own game and that allowed Milan to adapt accordingly , hence why we used to go with defensive minded stance and counter attacking options against them. It was the right thing to do .

Lesser quality teams however , who can't afford to be so creative because of inability or against a Milan who they knew were able of fine counter attacking play this season , most choose to sit back and try counter attacking as their plan A and thus we were forced to control possesion and be the attacking side , be it with Muntari , Emanuelson, Nocerino , Flamini e.t.c Allegri , i reiterate , has had a magnifiscent season . He dealt with oppositions as best as possible. Despite all that , Allegri is of the possesion minded coaches and once he realised what the case shall be with lesser teams , he chose the 4-3-3 and allowed most of our players who knew the 4-3-3 well , to master possesion in games thus enabling us to have a very positive season and have a meteoric rise in the standings.

He's not perfect i agree , yet he did as close to perfect as possible this season. Personaly , i couldn't be more satisfied from Allegri .Anything better as you suggest would require better players imo. There's a very delicate line that defines stuff in football and Allegri is no different. That he's been able to achieve 1 loss in the league in the 2nd half of the season , efectively making Balotelli seem like someone normal , seasoned striker lol ,speaks volumes about what coach he really is. Not even Mourinho could handle him and Mancini , just lol.. the examples are too many and of different type. We are very lucky to have him as coach.

I think the majority gets confused about him and some not so special players we have , as if Allegri was responsible for them or the players that did not come instead . Allegri never stood up to demand Traore and Muntari ffs , all scrubs in the last 3 years are Galliani's fault . Though at some occasions you can't fault him either , because when you don't have money to invest.. risks are your only choice.Anyway , if for once the management give him what he wants , i believe he'll take Milan to better days , like he did in his first season , when we had quality. Now we have almost a completely different team and this is Allegri's Milan and we are a few steps away from being relevant again. Biggest part is well down to Allegri imho and it's definitely not a coincedence that it was to be such a case if Allegri would stay at Milan or not.

My reaction to the news yesterday , 2.51 - 3.53

Dante