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Post by dostoevsky Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:58 am

Juventus have the Champions League to worry about, whilst Napoli have conveniently knocked themselves out of the Europa League so that they can focus all of their energy in the league, this after bringing in further reinforcements in January. Juventus remain favourites, certainly, however people are underestimating how much of a mentally and physically taxing challenge going deep in Europe will be.

Napoli were playing Hamsik as a defensive midfielder, with Insigne, El Khadhouri, Pandev, Cavani and Calaio all on the pitch against Lazio. That tells you all you need to know about Napoli's investment in chasing the scudetto. The club will likely never have a greater opportunity to snatch what would be a famous league title in a long, long time and they will go all out for it.

Whilst I stress that Juventus remain favourites, as their European journey may yet be cut short, they also have to play away to Roma, Napoli, Inter, Lazio and Sampdoria, whilst entertaining Milan at home. It's far too early to suggest that Serie A is over, however the next month could potentially end the challenge.

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Post by S Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:47 am

12 point lead in the PL for United with 12 games to go.

So the years United havent won the league title,its pretty much down to their complacency/giving up leads easily atleast in recent history.Might as well call it a one team league if we're going to take that route.They're really no better than Bundesliga tbh.

That being said,United,Barca and Bayern have all been ruthless winning machines this year.Would be hardly surprising to see these 3 teams make the last 4 in CL.

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Post by S Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:56 am

If Bayern were as ruthless as they have been this year ,they would cruise their way to the Bundesliga title pretty much every year tbh.

In the words of Der Kaiser:'The only team that can beat Bayern is Bayern themselves'.Cant say i disagree with that.

Dont care if you're agreeing or not,PL is pretty much in the same mould in this case with Manchester United.

Just goes to show ,if you have that continuity,consistency of getting results and that winning mentality without ignoring the quality ofcourse,i think no amount of oil money can stop you from succeeding tbh.It just makes SAF that much more great in people's eyes.
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Post by rwo power Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:17 am

Surag wrote:In the words of Der Kaiser:'The only team that can beat Bayern is Bayern themselves'.Cant say i disagree with that.
As a matter of fact, this year they were also lucky that Dortmund pretty much beat Dortmund :facepalm:
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Post by Kaladin Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:07 am

Serie A is till going strong, as Dosto said the next month could decide the outcome of the league with 5-6 team challenging for CL spots
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Post by Zealous Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:17 am

It's such a shame that Pep went from a two team league to a one team league No

/trololol Proud
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Post by VivaStPauli Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:20 am

Zealous wrote:It's such a shame that Pep went from a two team league to a one team league No

/trololol Proud

He'll get Kloppo'd.
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Post by Zealous Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:25 am

VivaStPauli wrote:
Zealous wrote:It's such a shame that Pep went from a two team league to a one team league No

/trololol Proud

He'll get Kloppo'd.

You have no idea how much I want that to happen. A part of me wants Klopp to completely expose him as a fraud.
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Post by rwo power Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:54 am

Next season, Jupp Heynckes might try to lead Schalke to glory, too. :coffee:
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Post by free_cat Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:11 pm

Pep won't get kloppo'd whatever that means.

By the way, who was that german coach who played porn to his players on the bus to the stadium to motivate them? Wasn't that Klopp?
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Post by Highburied Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:16 pm

La Liga is over before it starts lolll..

Bundesliga is over too.

EPL and Serie A are not that far from over.
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Post by S Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:17 pm

rwo power wrote:Next season, Jupp Heynckes might try to lead Schalke to glory, too. :coffee:

You are getting desperate now :coffee:

If this season is anything to go by ,Bundesliga will be a cakewalk again next year as they're only going to get stronger.Although it depends on how quickly Pep adapts and such but Jupp has done most of the work for him to make a swift takeover next season it seems.

I understand where the competitivety part comes from though.If Bayern dont play,the league becomes competitive but if they decide to do so ,they make it look like a pub league :coffee:

/trololol
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Post by Zealous Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:19 pm

highburied wrote:La Liga is over before it starts lolll..

Bundesliga is over too.

EPL and Serie A are not that far from over.

EPL is over brah. It's United's to lose at this point.

Seria A has the best chance for a comeback run in the league imo.
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Post by S Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:21 pm

highburied wrote:La Liga is over before it starts lolll..

Bundesliga is over too.

EPL and Serie A are not that far from over.

Yeah keep believing that.EPL was done and dusted long ago.Nobody is capable of matching United atm ,none have that consistency like they have.
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Post by billy_gr Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:50 pm

Zealous wrote:
VivaStPauli wrote:
Zealous wrote:It's such a shame that Pep went from a two team league to a one team league No

/trololol Proud

He'll get Kloppo'd.

You have no idea how much I want that to happen. A part of me wants Klopp to completely expose him as a fraud.

the way tito exposed Mou this year :coffee:

trolololololol
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Post by VivaStPauli Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:22 pm

Barca being indistinguishably great under Pep and Tito doesn't really speak to the quality of either manager, TBH.
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Post by Arquitecto Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:24 pm

VivaStPauli wrote:Barca being indistinguishably great under Pep and Tito doesn't really speak to the quality of either manager, TBH.

Actually it does.

Because Tito is using literally the same blueprint and tactical playbook that Pep did, only with minor modifications.

So essentially he is carrying Pep's work.
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Post by VivaStPauli Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:24 pm

free_cat wrote:Pep won't get kloppo'd whatever that means.

It means he'll get outsmarted by Klopp, and outpressed by Dortmund.

By the way, who was that german coach who played porn to his players on the bus to the stadium to motivate them? Wasn't that Klopp?

I have never heard of that, though it does sound like something van Gaal might've done. Very Happy
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Post by VivaStPauli Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:26 pm

Arquitecto wrote:
VivaStPauli wrote:Barca being indistinguishably great under Pep and Tito doesn't really speak to the quality of either manager, TBH.

Actually it does.

Because Tito is using literally the same blueprint and tactical playbook that Pep did, only with minor modifications.

So essentially he is carrying Pep's work.

I agree with you that this is probably the case, but you get my point as well, don't you?
When a team performs just as well with either coach you can make two points equally well:
a) The players are great, the coach almost doesn't matter
b) The coaches are both equally great, and continue each other's work

I don't want to seriously dispute that this is probably case b), but logically the other conclusion might be true just as well.
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Post by Zealous Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:28 pm

billy_gr wrote:
Zealous wrote:
VivaStPauli wrote:

He'll get Kloppo'd.

You have no idea how much I want that to happen. A part of me wants Klopp to completely expose him as a fraud.

the way tito exposed Mou this year :coffee:

trolololololol

Everyone knows Sara Carbonero destroyed Madrid, not Tito :coffee:
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Post by Arquitecto Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:32 pm

VivaStPauli wrote:
Arquitecto wrote:
VivaStPauli wrote:Barca being indistinguishably great under Pep and Tito doesn't really speak to the quality of either manager, TBH.

Actually it does.

Because Tito is using literally the same blueprint and tactical playbook that Pep did, only with minor modifications.

So essentially he is carrying Pep's work.

I agree with you that this is probably the case, but you get my point as well, don't you?
When a team performs just as well with either coach you can make two points equally well:
a) The players are great, the coach almost doesn't matter
b) The coaches are both equally great, and continue each other's work

I don't want to seriously dispute that this is probably case b), but logically the other conclusion might be true just as well.

Difference is Pep raised these players to be great within his comprehensive and evolved blueprint along with spending excruciating amounts of time in order to further develop their propensity to fit within his system. Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Pique, etc you name it. People tend to forget the sacrifices and methods Pep had to use in getting these players and the team to where they are. I don't even have to mention his excellent tactical prowess shown to propel and augment Barcelona into where they are. He chose Tito for a reason and that was because after years of spending time and evolving his system, he knew the playbook inside out and would adhere to the same blueprint. Which he is doing as of now. A lot of it is Guardiola's work as the Barca fans will delightfully attest to.
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Post by Onyx Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:39 pm

It's like opening a custom cake stall and it being successful. Then you leave that stall.. It's possible for that custom cake stall to continue being successful under different owners.

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Post by Zealous Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:54 pm

Implying that Pep is the owner, not the baker hmm
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Post by Onyx Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:02 pm

Either I guess. As long as the stall has the recipe. Laughing

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Post by Zealous Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:08 pm

Yohan Modric wrote:Either I guess. As long as the stall has the recipe. Laughing

It's very hard to fck up a recipe if you have good ingredients. Having said that a good Chef will produce a better meal than a poor Chef with the same ingredients.

Anyway Pep's litmus test will be Bayern, can he succeed there? I personally think he made a crafty career choice. Bayern are always favourite for the league so all he has to do there is not fck up. Had he gone to England or Italy he'd have risked getting exposed.
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