King Kenny-Doctor Dalglish

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/king-kenny-becomes-a-dr

Congratz. :king:

So when will Kenny be knighted already?? This is getting ridiculous

Messiah "Aggerswagger" wrote:So when will Kenny be knighted already?? This is getting ridiculous

Messiah "Aggerswagger" wrote:So when will Kenny be knighted already?? This is getting ridiculous

Should be made a Lord

Or any title that's higher.

Not really that familiar with British nobility bullshit.

Seriously if that corrupt red nosed cheat got knighted, the King deserves it just as much.

Knights work under the King.

THE KING IS BACK

http://www.thisisanfield.com/2013/10/breaking-kenny-dalglish-return-liverpool-director/

And confirmed

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/146399-kenny-dalglish-joins-liverpool-s-board

Welcome back to the GOAT.

Does anyone know what his role would be?

Hopefully he isn't the charge of overseeing the signings..

ExtremistEnigma wrote:Hopefully he isn't the charge of overseeing the signings..

nah...i think it is non executive type of director, so there is no way he will be involved with such stuff

ExtremistEnigma wrote:Hopefully he isn't the charge of overseeing the signings..

He did nothing wrong in the market ffs. It was all Commolli...

All Kenny had to do was manage the team on game day. Clarke was basically taking control of all the training sessions. And the DoF had to bring players in.

something-red wrote:

ExtremistEnigma wrote:Hopefully he isn't the charge of overseeing the signings..

He did nothing wrong in the market ffs. It was all Commolli...

All Kenny had to do was manage the team on game day. Clarke was basically taking control of all the training sessions. And the DoF had to bring players in.

Sure.. Comolli bought in talents like Clichy, Toure, Bale, Modric when he was at Arsenal and Spuds. Calling him the sole guy responsible for buying gobshite is extremely delusional. KK was equally responsible. It's a two way street.

something-red wrote:

ExtremistEnigma wrote:Hopefully he isn't the charge of overseeing the signings..

He did nothing wrong in the market ffs. It was all Commolli...

All Kenny had to do was manage the team on game day. Clarke was basically taking control of all the training sessions. And the DoF had to bring players in.

Rumor is that the signings went like this:
Comolli Suggestion - Kenny Signing
Matuidi - Adam
Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang - Carroll
Mata - Downing

I don't know how much truth there is in that, but it would suggest that Comolli wasn't at all the problem with identifying players. Now... his negotiations are still up for debate. In truth, I think everyone involved in the transfers through those windows deserves part of the blame.

In any case, I somehow doubt that Kenny is going to have any real authority over identifying players and approving/vetoing transfers.

Rumour...

The only player Kenny really wanted was Adam. Who was decent when he was playing next to Lucas. His career at Liverpool was dead the moment Lucas got injured and Rodgers became the manager of Liverpool.

ExtremistEnigma wrote:

something-red wrote:

ExtremistEnigma wrote:Hopefully he isn't the charge of overseeing the signings..

He did nothing wrong in the market ffs. It was all Commolli...

All Kenny had to do was manage the team on game day. Clarke was basically taking control of all the training sessions. And the DoF had to bring players in.

Sure.. Comolli bought in talents like Clichy, Toure, Bale, Modric when he was at Arsenal and Spuds. Calling him the sole guy responsible for buying gobshite is extremely delusional. KK was equally responsible. It's a two way street.

Explain to me why he's been sacked by all of Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs then?

KK wasn't responsible for anything in terms of transfers. He had been retired for over 10 years as a manager. He was solely in charge for just the match days. FSG put full trust into Commolli and it backfired hard. And FSG did not want Dalglish; Dalglish was also a Commolli "signing". FSG said from the very beginning they wanted a young manager who would manage for a decade. So why would they go on to hire a 60 year old? Come on.

There's a reason Rodgers and other managers in the summer of 2012 stated they don't want to work with a DoF at Liverpool and refused to talk to us because they didn't have much of a choice when it came to signing players. And there's also a reason Liverpool haven't hired a DoF to replace Commolli. We use some "committee" for transfers now, who I'm still sitting on the fence with. They've made a couple of good signings, but overall there's a massive question mark from me.

something-red wrote:Rumour...

The only player Kenny really wanted was Adam. Who was decent when he was playing next to Lucas. His career at Liverpool was dead the moment Lucas got injured and Rodgers became the manager of Liverpool.

ExtremistEnigma wrote:

something-red wrote:He did nothing wrong in the market ffs. It was all Commolli...

All Kenny had to do was manage the team on game day. Clarke was basically taking control of all the training sessions. And the DoF had to bring players in.

Sure.. Comolli bought in talents like Clichy, Toure, Bale, Modric when he was at Arsenal and Spuds. Calling him the sole guy responsible for buying gobshite is extremely delusional. KK was equally responsible. It's a two way street.

Explain to me why he's been sacked by all of Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs then?

KK wasn't responsible for anything in terms of transfers. He had been retired for over 10 years as a manager. He was solely in charge for just the match days. FSG put full trust into Commolli and it backfired hard. And FSG did not want Dalglish; Dalglish was also a Commolli "signing". FSG said from the very beginning they wanted a young manager who would manage for a decade. So why would they go on to hire a 60 year old? Come on.

There's a reason Rodgers and other managers in the summer of 2012 stated they don't want to work with a DoF at Liverpool and refused to talk to us because they didn't have much of a choice when it came to signing players. And there's also a reason Liverpool haven't hired a DoF to replace Commolli. We use some "committee" for transfers now, who I'm still sitting on the fence with. They've made a couple of good signings, but overall there's a massive question mark from me.

That's just so much bullshit man, lol. KK was signed by Comolli. In England, a DoF doesn't have more power than the manager.. especially here when we are talking about a club legend. How can you even believe that DoF signs players without any input from the manager?

It worked in this way. Kenny said he wanted a central midfielder, Comolli brought him a list of players and Kenny went for the best British player out of the list (given that he was still living in the late 90s). Comolli then went ahead and bought that player and since KK (badly) wanted those guys, we overpaid. Comolli should've done better here. He was involved in the negotiation side of things rather than actually buying players himself without consulting the manager.

Rodgers doesn't want a DoF because having a DoF would mean that he would not necessarily get the type and style of player he wants. He would have a substantial amount of control over transfers. It's the same reason why Wenger doesn't believe in a DoF.

Anyways, what's gone is gone. KK is no doubt a club legend but in his second stint as a manager he was awful, along with Comolli. Both of them equally responsible for splashing shocking amount of cash. More so KK for me. Even the greatest of guys make mistakes.. doesn't mean they cannot be criticized.

FSG were new to the game when they hired Commolli. They had no experience in football at all, and had no clue on how to manage a football club. So that's why they appointed Commolli to lead the club forward and put their entire trust in him backing him financially and supporting his decisions.

Again, FSG said they wanted a manager to manage for over 10 years and wanted stability after recovering from the mess of G+H. So why would they offer a 60 year old a 3 year deal? Let's just keep in mind Kenny hadn't been a manager in football for over 10 years. Commolli gave him the job after his impressive performances and form from his caretaker days.

How do you honestly know Dalglish picked the British option? Were you in the room where he said "oh let's get Downing instead of player Y because he's British"?

"Rodgers doesn't want a DoF because having a DoF would mean that he would not necessarily get the type and style of player he wants. He would have a substantial amount of control over transfers. It's the same reason why Wenger doesn't believe in a DoF."

You've just beaten your own argument there. lol

Not trying to get in the middle of this, but Comolli didn't hire KK. FSG gave him the interim tag after sacking Hodgson, and he did well so they extended him. It's pretty typical operating procedure for them as an organization. Since KK was 60+ already by then, they knew they weren't committing to a long term solution, but they also knew they were going to get an opportunity to replace him sooner rather than later regardless of performance. So if he's succeeding, might as well keep it going - which is what they did. FSG offered KK that contract.

Not the first time I've seen them do this, and it won't be the last.

Are we actually suggesting Kenny was responsible for the transfers?

Comolli brought in his archaic and extremely flawed sabermetrics model, to which does not work in anything outside static sports (Cricket, Baseball) and his flopped massively.

Kenny did not scout players, hence why he wasn't obliged to handpick the transfers. Comolli is even documented to be running his sabermetric model, to which eventually came down to signings such as

Stewart Downing: Because of his impressive crossing stats (typical Comolli) in Aston Villa.

Jordan Henderson: His crossing stats on the right of the midfield for Sunderland. Basically brought him for mostly the wrong reasons considering Hendo was always mediocre in that role.

Andy Carroll: What was Comolli's most crucial decision to which KK followed through with after learning of Torres' well-timed transfer request. It ended up being the worst deal in British transfer history.

Kenny wanted Juan Mata and Charlie Adam, one of which he received.

Mr. Moneyball on the other hand thought he can piece a team inductively using a very outdated and flawed model he used to run, to which ended up costing us a substantial amount of money, complimenting his piss poor negotiating skills.

I learned all of this when this section schooled me after my initial devastation of Comolli's sacking, and comprehended what an incompetent fraud he really was.

Those signings were Comolli's, end of.

stevieg8 wrote:Not trying to get in the middle of this, but Comolli didn't hire KK.  FSG gave him the interim tag after sacking Hodgson, and he did well so they extended him.  It's pretty typical operating procedure for them as an organization.  Since KK was 60+ already by then, they knew they weren't committing to a long term solution, but they also knew they were going to get an opportunity to replace him sooner rather than later regardless of performance.  So if he's succeeding, might as well keep it going - which is what they did.  FSG offered KK that contract.

Not the first time I've seen them do this, and it won't be the last.

FSG wanted Klopp or AVB after sacking Woy but Comolli suggested Dalglish because of the results in his "interim" days.

I still don't see why FSG would they give a large contract on a 3 year deal if they didn't want him for the long run? And support him with nearly 100m+ worth of signings even if they didn't want him for the long term.

Has Damien all over it for me.

I meant long run as past 3 years. 3 years isn't a longtime for a manager to last, especially if he had continued with the results he got in the first 6 months. FSG would've been willing to wait three years for their young manager if the old manager brought them success, and they had more play in the decision than Comolli.

When World Cup, Euro, CL winning players line up to get a photo with you ffs



He is King!!!

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/dalglish-auction-1984-european-cup-10110131

Liverpool Echo wrote:Liverpool legend Kenny Dalglish is auctioning off his 1984 European Cup winner’s medal to raise money for charity.