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Post by juventus101 Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:06 am

Who's better?
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Post by zarola Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:15 pm

Pepe. Chiellini makes too many mistakes.
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Post by Ganso Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:50 pm

zarola wrote:Pepe. Chiellini makes too many mistakes.
I don't think you watch enough Pepe.
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Post by guest7 Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:21 pm

yeah, pepe is everybit as mistake prone as chiellini

but i think pepe is better anyway
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Post by the xcx Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:08 pm

Epep :bow:
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Post by Die Borussen Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:40 pm

pepe vs everybody pepe would win even then

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Post by Real Kandahar Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:57 am

pepe one v one is best in globe
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Post by The Sanchez Sat Nov 10, 2012 4:01 am

Are we judging on a career basis? Because Chellini any day...
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Post by the xcx Sat Nov 10, 2012 4:42 am

The Sanchez wrote:Are we judging on a career basis? Because Chellini any day...
what the fck Laughing
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Post by Luca Sat Nov 10, 2012 4:47 am

Nameless wrote:
The Sanchez wrote:Are we judging on a career basis? Because Chellini any day...
what the fck Laughing

I think he's right, not to discredit Pepe but maybe some Madrid fans can educate me on him prior to Mourinho?

Chiellini has been the standout defender of an absolute shambolic back line with Juventus until last season

Anyways, I would pick Chiellini blindfolded
Comparative physical nature with Pepe but much more composure (in my opinion)

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Post by the xcx Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:06 am

Fair enough, considering he fits the system for Juventus instead of Pepe. Take him out of his comfortzone and hell become an liability. Hed flop in la liga if he would have played there.
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Post by CrazyBoy Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:11 am

Both prone to brain farts, that said Chiellini is better.

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Post by The Sanchez Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:48 am

I can understand if your comparing his Madrid career under Mou but apart from Mous time at Madrid, Pepe has been pretty ordinary IMO. Chellini apart from last season has probably been the best Juv and Italian defender for a long time now...
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Post by Luca Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:09 pm

Nameless wrote:Fair enough, considering he fits the system for Juventus instead of Pepe. Take him out of his comfortzone and hell become an liability. Hed flop in la liga if he would have played there.

Maybe, but there is nothing really to base that on
We can only reasonably discuss where he actually plays and that is Juventus

That being said I think Pepe would fit in Italy quite well

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Post by SuperMAG Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:50 am

This "prity ordinary" defender stops messy regularly Laughing

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Post by The Sanchez Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:49 am

SuperMAG wrote:This "prity ordinary" defender stops messy regularly Laughing

Good to know, you watch football :coffee:
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Post by Real Kandahar Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:34 pm

The Sanchez wrote:
SuperMAG wrote:This "prity ordinary" defender stops messy regularly Laughing

Good to know, you watch football :coffee:

cmon sanchez, with all due respct, you know he is the only defender on earth who has stopped messi on more than one game, single handedly... one v one, thats not to say messi hasn't ever gone past him, but im saying, Pepe is only player in the world who you could call Anti-Messi antidote.
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Post by Tomwin Lannister Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:52 pm

Yeah but no other top defender being mentioned has the chance to play Messi 4 times per year or even more. It's simple mathematics that he has stopped him more than other defenders being mentioned.
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Post by juventus101 Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:55 pm

Anti-Messi? How many goals on average do Barca score against Madrid? About 2 right? Conceding 2 goals is not shutting someone down. And the best performances ive ever seen against Messi were by Schweinsteiger (Germany-Argentina in WC) and Nesta (Milan-Barca last year). Even though Milan also conceded two goals in that gamw, Nestas performance was still better. Others have also had better performances against Messi. And Pepe gets to play Messi multiple times each uear so he also has an advantage.
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Post by Real Kandahar Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:01 pm

TomJuve wrote:Yeah but no other top defender being mentioned has the chance to play Messi 4 times per year or even more. It's simple mathematics that he has stopped him more than other defenders being mentioned.

thiago silva played against messi 4 times last season, and he was not effective at stopping messi at all,

Vidic? owned by messi , 2009 final, and 2011 final especially...
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Post by Real Kandahar Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:06 pm

juventus101 wrote:Anti-Messi? How many goals on average do Barca score against Madrid? About 2 right? Conceding 2 goals is not shutting someone down. And the best performances ive ever seen against Messi were by Schweinsteiger (Germany-Argentina in WC) and Nesta (Milan-Barca last year). Even though Milan also conceded two goals in that gamw, Nestas performance was still better. Others have also had better performances against Messi. And Pepe gets to play Messi multiple times each uear so he also has an advantage.

i said anti messi lol your comment is about barcelona, and messi doesnt score all goals of barca on madrid.... one vs. one, pepe has won countless challenges against messi, im not saying messi never goes through him, BUT pepe is the only player in the world, who has been able to do what Vidic, T. Silva failed to do
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Post by juventus101 Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:14 pm

Pepe has had many more chances, and sometimes even plays as a sweeper with two more CBs behind him.to back him up while he man marks Messi, and still Real allow 2 goals against Barca almost every time, which pretty much all go through Messi. Real not too long ago even allowed 5 goals against Barca. Pepe was playing. I guess you just forget about that? Chiellini and Silva are both definitely better than Pepe. No doubt about it.
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Post by Ganso Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:18 pm

Messi owned Vidic that's true, but Thiago Silva?Barca faced Milan 4 times last season and I cant remember Thiago making a mistake or letting Messi dribble past him, correct me if i'm wrong.

Also, I was just remembering this ridiculous Pepe fail on barca's first goal of the last classico after sunday's game( in which Pepe also failed).anti messi lulz

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Post by juventus101 Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:22 pm

Actually, Nesta focussed on Messi. Messi and Silva didnt really come in too much contact except when Nesta would rarely need help. But a mid 30's Nesta still did better against Messithan Pepe. But Pepe is the "anti-Messi"? Ha. Thats a jojke.
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Post by Tomwin Lannister Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:29 pm

Yeah Nesta was better.

Milan played 4 times against Barca, silva wasn't available for 1 or 2 of those games and the game he did play him and Nesta dealt with Messi well and silva even popped up and scored from a corner although that's irrelevant.

How many times has Pepe played against Messi?

Easily double figures, and when I watch it Messi often gets past Pepe only to be fouled. That's hardly dealing with Messi. Anybody on this forum could step on his hand and pull him down to the floor.
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