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Post by Valkyrja Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:41 pm

Raul... the guy was top class both on and off the pitch besides he carried and average Spain on his shoulders for about 10 years.
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Post by Arquitecto Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:58 pm

Kizu wrote:Raul... the guy was top class both on and off the pitch besides he carried and average Spain on his shoulders for about 10 years.

LMAO Raul? He was known to be a considerably disappointing flop for Espana and rarely performed when we actually needed him. He is nowhere near the best of all time for Espana. If Morientes wasn't injured all the time that would of helped since he always outperformed Raul for Espana and didn't flop when we needed him.

I can't tell if you mean best of all time in terms for Espana or just best spanish player ever.

If you mean best Spanish player of all time then its Xavi and Suarez

If you mean best for Espana then its Villa and Xavi.
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Post by Pedram Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:07 pm

Xavi
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Post by Mamad Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:29 pm

Casillas, Xavi.
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Post by Onyx Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:33 pm

One of Casillas, Raúl, Xavi.

There's probably some bigger legends for decades ago.

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Post by RealGunner Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:33 pm

Xavi, Luis Suarez, Casillas, Iniesta...


How good was Zarra Arq ?
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:39 pm

Raul... the guy that as soon as he was no longer in the NT Spain won everything. Seems legit.

In Spain it's largely regarded to be Xavi.
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Post by Arquitecto Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:02 pm

RealGunner wrote:Xavi, Luis Suarez, Casillas, Iniesta...


How good was Zarra Arq ?

Very glad you brought this name up.

I always forget to bring his name among the Spaniards mostly because his career just bled Basque.

Everyone seems to mention great strikers from Madrid or Barca but fail to mention this genius.

Zarraonandia was the only man who had a goal per game average for Espana (20 in 20) yet left for political reasons due to the obvious Basque prejudice back then. For all the times he played he came through and even sent Espana to the semi finals on his back in the 1950 WC.

Athletic Club record? top scorer of all time in the Liga (and CDR & its finals) with a career record of 332 goals in 350 games, speaks for itself.

Very few videos of him but the ones you will see and what my elders tell me no striker in terms of technique came close to him for Espana. He was the first pioneer of the False9/#10 in his playmaking role behind the forwards, yet regularly added goals in abundance. He just had the ability to make the team play better.

Highest scorer in the Liga to this day as only Messi will surpass this (although he isn't close even yet) tally while no one else will even come close.

All talk about Raul being the best Spanish striker of all time, fact is no one comes close to Zarraonandia.


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Post by Onyx Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:09 pm

Difference between Espana and Spain?

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Post by Jack Daniels Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:18 pm

Yohan Modric wrote:Difference between Espana and Spain?
None.

He was talking about being the best for the NT or generally just being the best Spanish player.
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Post by Valkyrja Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:28 pm

I'm not talking about the best player of the Spain national team... I was talking about the best spanish player. If Raul would have played in this golden generation he would have scored much more than Villa.
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Post by Muzza Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:50 pm

either way its xavi

unless you don't count him cause he's a catalan

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Post by Arquitecto Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:43 pm

Kizu wrote:I'm not talking about the best player of the Spain national team... I was talking about the best spanish player. If Raul would have played in this golden generation he would have scored much more than Villa.


Would he really? I've heard this same excuse for Raul for years and its quite hilarious.

We pretty much had a world class midfield supplying supplying Raul through out his international career pre-Euros and within Aragones' era. The problem wasn't that he wasn't receiving enough service. The problem was he was invisible throughout literally every god damn important match and only turned up for small qualifiers and friendlies. When he wasn't invisible he spent his time squandering plum chances created for him. He just wasn't Raul of Real Madrid.

When the "golden era" actually came he just wasn't good enough because Fernando Torres and David Villa (who is twice the player he ever was for the NT) both were outperforming him and simply were better then he ever was for the NT as Raul couldn't cope with Aragones' system. Even staunch Raul supporting Spaniards admit this. Whether he would score more with them didn't matter as he had enough chances and flopped 90% of the time.

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Post by Valkyrja Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:55 pm

Arquitecto wrote:
Kizu wrote:I'm not talking about the best player of the Spain national team... I was talking about the best spanish player. If Raul would have played in this golden generation he would have scored much more than Villa.


Would he really? I've heard this same excuse for Raul for years and its quite hilarious.

We pretty much had a world class midfield supplying supplying Raul through out his international career pre-Euros and within Aragones' era. The problem wasn't that he wasn't receiving enough service. The problem was he was invisible throughout literally every god damn important match and only turned up for small qualifiers and friendlies. When he wasn't invisible he spent his time squandering plum chances created for him. He just wasn't Raul of Real Madrid.

When the "golden era" actually came he just wasn't good enough because Fernando Torres and David Villa (who is twice the player he ever was for the NT) both were outperforming him and simply were better then he ever was for the NT as Raul couldn't cope with Aragones' system. Even staunch Raul supporting Spaniards admit this. Whether he would score more with them didn't matter as he had enough chances and flopped 90% of the time.


When the "golden era" came he was past him prime. A 99-03 Raul is better than any striker in todays game bar Messi and CR7.
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Post by Arquitecto Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:59 pm

Kizu wrote:
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Kizu wrote:I'm not talking about the best player of the Spain national team... I was talking about the best spanish player. If Raul would have played in this golden generation he would have scored much more than Villa.


Would he really? I've heard this same excuse for Raul for years and its quite hilarious.

We pretty much had a world class midfield supplying supplying Raul through out his international career pre-Euros and within Aragones' era. The problem wasn't that he wasn't receiving enough service. The problem was he was invisible throughout literally every god damn important match and only turned up for small qualifiers and friendlies. When he wasn't invisible he spent his time squandering plum chances created for him. He just wasn't Raul of Real Madrid.

When the "golden era" actually came he just wasn't good enough because Fernando Torres and David Villa (who is twice the player he ever was for the NT) both were outperforming him and simply were better then he ever was for the NT as Raul couldn't cope with Aragones' system. Even staunch Raul supporting Spaniards admit this. Whether he would score more with them didn't matter as he had enough chances and flopped 90% of the time.


When the "golden era" came he was past him prime. A 99-03 Raul is better than any striker in todays game bar Messi and CR7.

Doesn't really matter actually. Why? Because he still continued to squander them, still continued to go invisible in big and important matches, and continued to look out of his depth while Espana yearned for a hero up front to score goals when it mattered.

And yes...this was even in his "prime" as I describe it.

Conclusion is that Raul of Real Madrid could never transcend it onto Raul for Espana. In the end, it cost our team because a lot more people deserved it ahead of him.
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Post by The Messiah Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:26 pm

How can Xavi be better than...?


Personally I consider Raul to be ahead of Xavi, by some margin, even Casillas is somewhat better than Xavi.


Xavi is on par with Iniesta
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Post by Guest Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:02 pm

It's Xavi.


Go to Spain, and ask anyone. 90% of them will tell you it's Xavi without thinking for more than 2 seconds. that's how obvious it is.

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Post by McAgger Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:15 am

Best spanish player of all time is Raul or Luis Suarez

Best player for NT is San Iker :bow:
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Post by Guest Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:25 am

Casillas/Xavi imo

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Post by The Sanchez Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:42 am

Raul, Luiz Surarez, Xavi or Casillas.
Tough to decide which one hmm
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Post by LeBéninois Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:25 am

Don't know who is the best but Xavi is the greatest .
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Post by The Messiah Fri Oct 12, 2012 5:10 am

The former bundesliga player 'Raul" is the
Best player in Spanish football history. He proved himself in a worthy league
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Post by billy_gr Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:21 am

I like how when the discussion is about messi everyone brings on his lack of NT titles but in this situation Raul is the best.

If we are to be a little serious the answer is Xavi/Casillas
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Post by Arquitecto Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:48 am

The Messiah wrote:The former bundesliga player 'Raul" is the
Best player in Spanish football history. He proved himself in a worthy league

Nowhere near the best in Spanish history. Quite obvious you say this because he was the only Spanish legend to play his trade in Bundesliga after being benched by Madrid.

OT: Raul is nowhere near the best spanish player in history.

Luis Suarez
Iker Casillas
Xavi
Iniesta
Zarra

All ahead of him.
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Post by Die Borussen Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:19 pm

iniesta for me

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