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Post by baresi 29/6/2011, 14:07

I am starting to get on MTD side when he says our Mr.X is Hamsik I think he was right all the way, for some reason I'd prefer him over Fabregas, I wont like Fabregas in our team he WANTS Barca then he should move there, I dont want a sitation where he arrives and starts demanding for a Barca move, that would creat havock and unstability in our team, plus Hamsik is already used to Italy and football style in Italy.

Balo is more than welcomed if he is to eventually replace Ibra in two yrs time, but I doubt we can match his salary.

KAKA on loan and we pay 50% of his wages ya why not.

Ganso I am yet to get all this hype surronding him, I personally have never seen him play, but many players do great in Brazil and in the NT, Adriano, Robinho, Denilson (v.01), Oliveira....), even our very own Pato we paid 23M euro while he was 17 and IMO till date he did'nt live up to his hype yet. Now applying your trade in Brazil is something, applying it in Europe is something else, and applying it on the biggest european stage is a totally different story. So do I want Ganso maybe but I wont pay more than 25M on him, maybe an additional 10M tied with performance???

What worries me most in our current squad is our back line, we have 2 WC CB, and a good RB, for me LB is still questionable thill he shows his worth. We never though of what happens if Abate is injured or suspended, do we still want to rely on Zambrotta? CB we are well covered.

My second worry is the mid. We have old WC players like Ambro, MvB, Gattuso, and avg, younger ones Flamini, Emma; and young unproven ones that most likely wont cut it on the bigger stage. I think we should worry more about sorting those out and preparing replacements for them before thinking of who is our AM Ganso or whoever?

The AM position should be our last signing since we have players that can cover that position for now Cassano, Boateng, Robinho, I know known of them is the perfect AM, but they fill in the position to an extent that goes hand in hand with our seasonal aim. After we sort out all the missing pieces in our mid, we then find a suitable player to fit the system. I dont see it wise to get Ganso now he will be under immense pressure to prove himself in an uncomplete or ready squad.

I could'nt hide my exitment when Bastian got linked to Milan, those are the type of players we should look for before even thinking about Ganso. In the CL if you dont concede a goal/match will get you the title.

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Post by Milantildeath 30/6/2011, 09:58

Hamsik would be a great player for our mid, he has everything we need. Right now I'd say Hamsik seems the most likely, and Nasri seems like he would be the other option, since they are similar type players. As for Ganso, he is injury prone everyone, don't say it's because he plays so many games a season; no one that's 21/22 should be getting injured that easily from playing too many games. I'd much rather spend that money on Hamsik who is proven in Europe.
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Post by uzonero 30/6/2011, 10:43

I think Ganso would be the best option for us but in all honesty, we need at least two world class midfielders to help our UCL push
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Post by Brigate Rossonere 30/6/2011, 12:03

I think you shouldn't worry about our defence at all. We have possibly the best CB in the world, a champion CB and a very capable backup in Mexes. At right back we have Abate who showed his abilities last season and the fact that Zambrotta won't be a starter will make it easier for him to put in good performances when called upon. Throught the last season I think we saw a bit of age creep into him when he was needed 3 times in the space of 7 or 8 days. At LB we have Taiwo who is promising (although by no means an assured star) and Antonini on the bench who can almost fill in. If they both do terribly, at least we will have Didac for the season after.
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Post by dostoevsky 30/6/2011, 15:21

Whilst I can't deny that he'd improve our side, I still think Hamsik is an unnecessary purchase, though I believe he's a far more likely purchase than Fabregas or Aquilani. We do need midfield purchases and he's welcome if we can't get anyone else, however I feel that we can achieve more and for less through other avenues.

I love Balotelli, however I don't want him around until there's a clear space in the squad for him, whilst I want to remember Kaka as he left us. As sad as it was, some farewells are best left where they are.

I am the sort of person who will likely never stop worrying about our backline, certainly as I shall never be able to think of Nesta as a player who can escape a season without injury, despite a healthy season last year, whilst Mexes has rarely played well when it mattered in European competitions, however he's an improvement to our backline and I expect to breathe more than a few sighs of relief next season in Serie A over his presence. Zambrotta may be aging, however he's an experienced, dependable reserve player and even Antonini can cover for Abate if necessary. I shan't put aside our issues at left back until I see Taiwo play in Serie A, however of greater concern in my eyes is that our reserves are the same players for both sides, which may cause some consternation. It would have been wonderful if one of our centre-backs could play at fullback - anyone mentioning Bonera in relation to this spot will be given the evil eye - such as Sokratis however our organisation in the midfield has enhanced the strength of our back four and unless a crisis hits before a particularly challenging run we should have faith in our defence to pull through.

My priorities for midfield remain Ganso and Poli, with Vidal as a potential bonus, however I understand your concerns over our midfield. These problems have been gradually addressed throughout the squad over the past two years and progress has been made. We may not yet have developed sufficiently to win the Champions League, however our project isn't expected to be finished by this transfer market and we're well on our way to achieving what I view as a three year plan. We can always strengthen our midfield in January if necessary, something I would expect in any case.
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Post by Cruijf 30/6/2011, 16:19

I agree with dosto here. Hamsik is unneeded. We need a LCM and we need an AM. The prime candidate for both these positions is Poli and ganso. Hamsik is unneeded.
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Post by Guest 1/7/2011, 00:11

Milantildeath wrote:Hamsik would be a great player for our mid, he has everything we need. Right now I'd say Hamsik seems the most likely, and Nasri seems like he would be the other option, since they are similar type players. As for Ganso, he is injury prone everyone, don't say it's because he plays so many games a season; no one that's 21/22 should be getting injured that easily from playing too many games. I'd much rather spend that money on Hamsik who is proven in Europe.

I don't know who you are referring to, I know I have read people say he played too many games after coming back from injury. After he returned he was playing game for 90+ minuets, people claimed that he was not given the proper rest. Any player coming back from injury shouldn't be playing the entire game. When you are younger you will heal sooner, that being said, you would still need time to get back to 100 percent. I really disagree with this whole injury prone label that is being placed on Ganso. I could also make the argument that a 21/22 year old is too young to already be labeled injury prone.

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Post by Milantildeath 1/7/2011, 01:55

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Milantildeath wrote:Hamsik would be a great player for our mid, he has everything we need. Right now I'd say Hamsik seems the most likely, and Nasri seems like he would be the other option, since they are similar type players. As for Ganso, he is injury prone everyone, don't say it's because he plays so many games a season; no one that's 21/22 should be getting injured that easily from playing too many games. I'd much rather spend that money on Hamsik who is proven in Europe.

I don't know who you are referring to, I know I have read people say he played too many games after coming back from injury. After he returned he was playing game for 90+ minuets, people claimed that he was not given the proper rest. Any player coming back from injury shouldn't be playing the entire game. When you are younger you will heal sooner, that being said, you would still need time to get back to 100 percent. I really disagree with this whole injury prone label that is being placed on Ganso. I could also make the argument that a 21/22 year old is too young to already be labeled injury prone.

No people on here have said that he is get's injured because in Brazil they are playing more games, and he participates in all of them therefore making him get injured. It has nothing to do with recovery time. I think he is just injury prone, especially since Europe is a lot more physical than in Brazil I just see him getting hurt more.
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Post by M99 1/7/2011, 08:26

Ganso just suffered one serious injury which kept him out for 6 moths. Since he is so important to Santos, he was rushed back and instantly started to play 90 minutes a game so he picked up another injury.
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Post by Giancarlo 1/7/2011, 08:30

No people Ganso is not injury prone. Players like that do get injured as they are still growing as players. Ganso did play a lot of games. He had one major injury... and what happens later he is often rushed back. Ganso is definitely a better option than Hamsik. Hamsik is a very good player, but he often disappears badly from major games... and is invisible. We can't have a player like that. Initially I was in favor of the idea of getting Hamsik, but I'm not sold on him.

I assume we should just sell Pato right because he often has issues with injuries that put him for weeks?
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Post by baresi 1/7/2011, 11:31

Regardless if he is injury prone or not, I think we have more important positions to cover up, our mid is the major concer, a LM with high defencive abbilities is much more needed than Ganso now if we secure that I wouldnt mind Ganso, but I would mind having Ganso if it means leaving us with out a WC LM.

The ideal mid four for me is Boa at RM, LM, MvB/Ambrossini as DM and any of Robinho/Cassano as AM. Now if we get a WC LM + Ganso for the AM role that would be the perfect mid.

But again for me or first priority should be a LM, since I am not expecting much from Taiwo I would love to add to him a very decent support , just like Gattuso did to Abate in the first half of last season.
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Post by uzonero 1/7/2011, 11:52

If we were to get an LCM with good defensive and offensive qualities, i think it definitely has to be vidal.

But i'd much rather we get ganso and poli instead
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Post by Giancarlo 1/7/2011, 19:19

We don't have a real AM, and to me that should be priority number one. And not expecting much from Taiwo? He's going to be a great left back. And we also have Emanuelson for LM...

If we get Vidal, that would be amazing.
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Post by baresi 2/7/2011, 01:40

We all hope for Taiwo to be the best LB in the world, but I just do not see it happening. At most he'll be a one step upgrade to Antonini thats all.
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Post by baresi 2/7/2011, 01:50

BTW I would welcome Giovinco over Ganso and I have 100000 reason for this.
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Post by Giancarlo 2/7/2011, 02:19

baresi wrote:We all hope for Taiwo to be the best LB in the world, but I just do not see it happening. At most he'll be a one step upgrade to Antonini thats all.

Nobody is saying he'll be the best LB in the world, but he is a class LB who has a lot of experience and is an exciting player. He won't be a "one step upgrade". He'll be several dozen steps above Antonini.
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Post by Brigate Rossonere 2/7/2011, 05:02

baresi wrote:BTW I would welcome Giovinco over Ganso and I have 100000 reason for this.

Giovinco is so over rated it's not even funny. He has perhaps 7-8 good games this season. The reason he is so highly rated is because he performed well when the spotlight was on him (both games vs Juve). Other than that, he had a pretty average season. Something similar to Pastore. Where was he against Milan? Inter? Roma?
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Post by uzonero 2/7/2011, 11:22

baresi wrote:BTW I would welcome Giovinco over Ganso and I have 100000 reason for this.
giovinco over ganso? Wow

okay man, what are your 100000 reasons?
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Post by uzonero 2/7/2011, 11:30

baresi wrote:We all hope for Taiwo to be the best LB in the world, but I just do not see it happening. At most he'll be a one step upgrade to Antonini thats all.
taiwo is certainly a huge upgrade over antonini.

I haven't heard of anyone here hoping he'd become the best LB in the world but even at that, isn't it right for us to dream?

I'm Nigerian and know Taiwo pretty well, he is almost good at everything (setpieces, shooting, crossing, overlapping, man marking etc) with his only flaw being exposing the backline due to his surging forward runs
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Post by Forza 2/7/2011, 12:07

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baresi wrote:We all hope for Taiwo to be the best LB in the world, but I just do not see it happening. At most he'll be a one step upgrade to Antonini thats all.
taiwo is certainly a huge upgrade over antonini.

I haven't heard of anyone here hoping he'd become the best LB in the world but even at that, isn't it right for us to dream?

I'm Nigerian and know Taiwo pretty well, he is almost good at everything (setpieces, shooting, crossing, overlapping, man marking etc) with his only flaw being exposing the backline due to his surging forward runs

Taiwo has skills that Antonini will never have. There is not one thing that Antonini is better than Taiwo at.

Personally, I'm not a huge Taiwo fan but Antonini annoyed me quite a bit...

Antonini's play summarised in 3 steps:
1. Get the ball and jog down the flanks.
2. Be confronted by an opponent
3. a) Pass the ball back or b) cut inside and pass to the middle or c) try a long aimless pass down the line and hope like hell the ball doesn't come back any time soon.

Taiwo offers option d) beat the man on the mark. That's what I like most about him.
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Post by BiasedMilanFan3 2/7/2011, 13:00

baresi wrote:BTW I would welcome Giovinco over Ganso and I have 100000 reason for this.

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Post by Brigate Rossonere 2/7/2011, 13:08

uzonero wrote:I'm Nigerian and know Taiwo pretty well, he is almost good at everything (setpieces, shooting, crossing, overlapping, man marking etc) with his only flaw being exposing the backline due to his surging forward runs

Ok so the things you stated he is good at, the first four are good in an attacking sense and then the fifth brings up my worry, his positioning and exposing the defense. This guy sounds like he should be playing left wing not left back...

I wonder how our left side would fare against a team who pushes us back if we had Emanuelson and Taiwo as our left side...
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Post by baresi 2/7/2011, 15:26

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baresi wrote:We all hope for Taiwo to be the best LB in the world, but I just do not see it happening. At most he'll be a one step upgrade to Antonini thats all.
taiwo is certainly a huge upgrade over antonini.

I haven't heard of anyone here hoping he'd become the best LB in the world but even at that, isn't it right for us to dream?

I'm Nigerian and know Taiwo pretty well, he is almost good at everything (setpieces, shooting, crossing, overlapping, man marking etc) with his only flaw being exposing the backline due to his surging forward runs

You totally mis-understood me, by default we as Milan fans wish all our players to be the best players in the world in their positions, but that is not enoug, for them to be the best, same applies on Taiwo I wish he was the best LB, but he simply is'nt; not even close he is just avg at LB as far as I am concerned as from what I've seen from him at both club and NT level. If he is a LM I would say he us perfect for Milan but simply not LB. The guy is OLD I dont believe he is 23yrs BS he looks much older than that.

That is enough reason to rule him out from a LB position., unless we had a very tough defensive LM, thats why I am saying we should be more concerened over our LM than getting Ganso at the moment.

AS for Giovinco
1) He is much cheaper than Ganso, if he flops you can always find Italian clubs to pay you back exactly what you paid for him, with much less hype which means he can easily accpet and adjust to rotating and being benched.

2) Had a very solid season with Parma and played a major role in them not getting relegated, I dont agree on he only performed against Juve.

3) He is an Italian (again I am totally against "Italianising" but this is how Milan have been running for ages now), but I am totally with getting the best Italian talents and that hepls in both the 5+6 and the non euro spot.

10000) He plays in as an AM and on the sides if needed.


When saying I would take him over Ganso it does'nt mean I think he is a better player than Ganso, but I see him as a better option for Milan.
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Post by Brigate Rossonere 2/7/2011, 15:47

1) He actually would not be much cheaper at all. For the whole of his contract to be bought at this point in time it would take no less than 20m euro's IMO. And for Ganso? I think about 30.

2) A solid season? Fair enough. Nothing more tbh...

3) Meh

10,000) So does Ganso?

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Post by Giancarlo 2/7/2011, 16:29

baresi wrote:
You totally mis-understood me, by default we as Milan fans wish all our players to be the best players in the world in their positions, but that is not enoug, for them to be the best, same applies on Taiwo I wish he was the best LB, but he simply is'nt; not even close he is just avg at LB as far as I am concerned as from what I've seen from him at both club and NT level. If he is a LM I would say he us perfect for Milan but simply not LB. The guy is OLD I dont believe he is 23yrs BS he looks much older than that.

Then you're quite mistaken. Taiwo is one of the better LBs out there, in a market where there is a severe lack of them. Tell me, who is a better left back? I'll wait here and listen. 23 years BS? Where did you get that from? Thin air? Taiwo is 26. That's well known.

I'll wait for you to name me some better left backs. Taiwo seems like the best left back in Italy... he's not just "average" in that position. He played mostly as a starter for Marseille. Some will say he was benched... na... if you look at the stats, he actually started all but 4 games in the league (mostly because he was injured one).

When people degrade his skills, I usually ask who is better... hmm... Evra? Sure, but he's 30 and Man Utd won't let him go. Criscito? He's going to Russia, and he's certainly not better... he doesn't really excel at LB or CB. Balzaretti? A player really late in the game that has proved absolutely nothing.

I just can't think of many left backs out there. There are more right backs, but left backs are hard to find.

He's a very effective, strong and fast left back. I ask our players to put in the very best. I don't have the same demands as you.


AS for Giovinco
1) He is much cheaper than Ganso, if he flops you can always find Italian clubs to pay you back exactly what you paid for him, with much less hype which means he can easily accpet and adjust to rotating and being benched.

You demand the very best in one breath, yet you're willing to compromise in another. I sense a bit of inconsistency here. Giovinco is an average player. He's never proved anything. He went missing for most of the season for Parma, and only showed up in certain games. And I don't think Giovinco wants to be benched... Juve did that plenty to him.


2) Had a very solid season with Parma and played a major role in them not getting relegated, I dont agree on he only performed against Juve.

But then again went missing in many games, and only performed in certain games.


3) He is an Italian (again I am totally against "Italianising" but this is how Milan have been running for ages now), but I am totally with getting the best Italian talents and that hepls in both the 5+6 and the non euro spot.

He's not even the best Italian talent. On top of that, he's a light weight who is easily pushed off the ball.
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