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Re: Messi in decline
I'm responding to someone who said they have never seen him back track. scroll up smart guy.Swanhends wrote:Donuts wrote:Messi getting ball from Aguero.. I'm surprised you havn't seen him back track he does it so oftenly.
Im not getting involved in this debate cause I don't really care whether Messi does or does not track back
But I just wanted to point out that when the OP makes an argument that Messi has stopped tracking back recently or w/e, posting a video from 2 years ago as evidence doesn't really do anything for your argument
Also as said above he has been injured since the beginning of the season mind you only 6 counting NT, Super copa and 3 la liga games were played and people claiming he is on a decline.. obviously this thread is already stupid.
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Didn't Babun say in the middle of last season that Ronaldo was Madrid's cancer?
Enough said....
Enough said....
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Babun has been supporting madrid for a long time..white_star wrote:Lol Babun will do anything to make messi look bad. Remember coming from a German madrid bandwagoners, it seems legit.
Babun has a point in every thing he says, mole even he had a point when he said ronaldo was rm's cancer, and when CR changed his play, babun started liking him quite a bit.
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1. I never questioned his talent.Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Didn't Babun say in the middle of last season that Ronaldo was Madrid's cancer?
Enough said....
2. He didn't track back, made senseless dribbles with turnovers, shot from impossible angles, didn't pass his way out when cornered. He does the opposite now. Surprise, surprise! Suddenly, he scores in every clasico That's why he is our best player in present time.
3. You're someone who doesn't form his own opinion. Khedira is shit? Cool story bro... Rich man's Le Samurai
The butthurt is deep with this one. I don't know whose multi you're but without humor troling is no fun What makes a Polish dude supporting a German team? A Pole bandwagoner! You're leading all the bandwagoners from the front seatwhite_star wrote:Lol Babun will do anything to make messi look bad. Remember coming from a German madrid bandwagoners, it seems legit.
First, marca isn't a source for me. They make up everything, literally. Distance covered stats would give us more info than balls recovered. He is no DM. The adductor rumor could be true though but a better source than marca is neededBarrileteCosmico wrote:What do you mean you haven't seen Messi track back? I don't have any stats at hand, but he does a better job of recovering balls than most CFs, I would guess somewhere between 3-5 balls recovered per game.
Also, he's been having troubles with his abductor muscles since the beginning of the season, and is still being treated for it. It's likely that he's not pressing as much as he used to precisely because of this; he might even be under direct instructions not to press as much.
http://www.marca.com/2012/09/04/en/football/barcelona/1346779565.html
I hate adductor injuries or soreness. They limit you in multiple ways, specially dribblers.
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TBH I actually enjoy watching Higuain, Di Maria and Messi more than I do watching Ronaldo, Di Maria, Higuain.......I feel so dirty
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He's getting lazy. Plain and simple. He doesn't want to bother running around or working if it won't be something that will get him into the highlight reels. If he's not the center of attention and getting all the glory then he just doesn't want to bother working. Also is why he isn't being as effective because if you can't move off the ball then you're not going to be doing much of anything, even if you are the "next Maradona"
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averaging 1 goal per game so far is ineffectiveStrikingMidfield wrote:He's getting lazy. Plain and simple. He doesn't want to bother running around or working if it won't be something that will get him into the highlight reels. If he's not the center of attention and getting all the glory then he just doesn't want to bother working. Also is why he isn't being as effective because if you can't move off the ball then you're not going to be doing much of anything, even if you are the "next Maradona"
this forum has gone to the shits hasn't it.
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I love these threads at the beginning of the season. Messi's in a decline at the start of every season, yet every season he does better than the last. He's already off to a great start , so make sure to bump this in about 8 months. It'll make for a nice laugh.
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Babun wrote:1. I never questioned his talent.Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Didn't Babun say in the middle of last season that Ronaldo was Madrid's cancer?
Enough said....
2. He didn't track back, made senseless dribbles with turnovers, shot from impossible angles, didn't pass his way out when cornered. He does the opposite now. Surprise, surprise! Suddenly, he scores in every clasico That's why he is our best player in present time.
3. You're someone who doesn't form his own opinion. Khedira is shit? Cool story bro... Rich man's Le SamuraiThe butthurt is deep with this one. I don't know whose multi you're but without humor troling is no fun What makes a Polish dude supporting a German team? A Pole bandwagoner! You're leading all the bandwagoners from the front seatwhite_star wrote:Lol Babun will do anything to make messi look bad. Remember coming from a German madrid bandwagoners, it seems legit.First, marca isn't a source for me. They make up everything, literally. Distance covered stats would give us more info than balls recovered. He is no DM. The adductor rumor could be true though but a better source than marca is neededBarrileteCosmico wrote:What do you mean you haven't seen Messi track back? I don't have any stats at hand, but he does a better job of recovering balls than most CFs, I would guess somewhere between 3-5 balls recovered per game.
Also, he's been having troubles with his abductor muscles since the beginning of the season, and is still being treated for it. It's likely that he's not pressing as much as he used to precisely because of this; he might even be under direct instructions not to press as much.
http://www.marca.com/2012/09/04/en/football/barcelona/1346779565.html
I hate adductor injuries or soreness. They limit you in multiple ways, specially dribblers.
Haha good one smart ass. Wislas logo was taken down so I picked Dortmund because of the polish players they have. Trust me I support the team from my own country I don't look to pick out from the best in the world. Nice try though.
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Donuts wrote:averaging 1 goal per game so far is ineffectiveStrikingMidfield wrote:He's getting lazy. Plain and simple. He doesn't want to bother running around or working if it won't be something that will get him into the highlight reels. If he's not the center of attention and getting all the glory then he just doesn't want to bother working. Also is why he isn't being as effective because if you can't move off the ball then you're not going to be doing much of anything, even if you are the "next Maradona"
this forum has gone to the shits hasn't it.
he said "not as effective" not ineffective. At no point in that post he is implying that Messi has become ineffective.
It's your understanding that has gone to the shits... (just quoting you brah)
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white_star wrote:Lol Babun will do anything to make messi look bad. Remember coming from a German madrid bandwagoners, it seems legit.
he's not bandwagoner, don't disrespect people... he has contributed more here than you.
on topic... messi can score abnormal amount of goals, like ronaldo, and since both don't press much, i don't think it's an issue.
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Mr Nick09 wrote:Donuts wrote:averaging 1 goal per game so far is ineffectiveStrikingMidfield wrote:He's getting lazy. Plain and simple. He doesn't want to bother running around or working if it won't be something that will get him into the highlight reels. If he's not the center of attention and getting all the glory then he just doesn't want to bother working. Also is why he isn't being as effective because if you can't move off the ball then you're not going to be doing much of anything, even if you are the "next Maradona"
this forum has gone to the shits hasn't it.
he said "not as effective" not ineffective. At no point in that post he is implying that Messi has become ineffective.
It's your understanding that has gone to the shits... (just quoting you brah)
completely agree.
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Messi during this "decline" is still the best player in the world...
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Crimson wrote:TBH I actually enjoy watching Higuain, Di Maria and Messi more than I do watching Ronaldo, Di Maria, Higuain.......I feel so dirty
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ynwa wrote:Messi during this "decline" is still the best player in the world...
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ynwa wrote:Messi during this "decline" is still the best player in the world...
Only if CR is out of this world
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Se7en wrote:ynwa wrote:Messi during this "decline" is still the best player in the world...
Only if CR is out of this world
You can put Ronaldo on any planet you want. Messi is the superior player.
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Who did in the past? after winning 3 ballon dors and all the things? i bet you also would get bored. Another player in messi's situation would retireStrikingMidfield wrote:He's getting lazy. Plain and simple. He doesn't want to bother running around or working if it won't be something that will get him into the highlight reels. If he's not the center of attention and getting all the glory then he just doesn't want to bother working
maybe ronaldo works and runs a little more. but i'm sure he runs because of ballon dor. after winning it he will walk
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Gil wrote:Been saying this for ages now.his fetish for being the center of attention is exactly why Guardiola quit.
He scored 40 from out wide but wanted to play through the middle even though Barca had WC strikers like Eto'o & Ibra. He was averaging 40 again play upfront but he then wanted to become Barca's number one playmaker and Xavi who was averaging 20+ assists a season had to suffer for it.
Because he's a turnover machine & one of the biggest ball dominant players in footballing history, WC players like Villa, Ibra, Cesc, Sanchez etc haveactually regressed rather than improve when playing with him. Same thing with Argentina who have become a joke when he became the main man over there.
The faux choir boy act will never hide the fact he's a glory seeking stat padding w**nker.
Now people are wanking over his FK's despite not even being Top 3 in his own team at it.
Same with his crappy pens.
Single-handedly ruined Pep's & Barca's dynasty.
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I'm sure Messi would track back if he was a winger.
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CF's don't track back, that's dumb. CF's press the ball, that's how they defend.
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Zealous wrote:CF's don't track back, that's dumb. CF's press the ball, that's how they defend.
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If Cavani is tracking back then who gets the ball near the goal? Unless Cavani can exist in two places at once
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In other words he has immense workrate and stamina ?He is a very flexible and mobile forward and is not just stuck at one position.
If you noticed in Bayern-Madrid semi of last year Gomez did a lot of tracking back and defending ,not that he does it all the time.Just saying.
If you noticed in Bayern-Madrid semi of last year Gomez did a lot of tracking back and defending ,not that he does it all the time.Just saying.
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He wasn't tracking back all game though, which is the point. Sure doing once or twice is cool but you're painting a picture that makes Cavani and Gomez look like Di Maria lol
Let me rephrase. CFs track back but not very often.
Let me rephrase. CFs track back but not very often.
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Crimson wrote:TBH I actually enjoy watching Higuain, Di Maria and Messi more than I do watching Ronaldo, Di Maria, Higuain.......I feel so dirty
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