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Post by McLewis Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:18 am

Obama looked very rusty....Romney looked very polished. An auspicious start to the final leg of this election to say the least.

I also didn't like Obama's remark about Donald Trump being a small business owner. Rather unnecessary honestly. He was quite wise not to mention Bain Capital or the 47% comments as well.

Mitt, for once, actually looked the part last night and had Obama on the backfoot from the get-go, but he flip-flopped AGAIN on healthcare. He's been distancing himself from Romneycare for years now, but now he's come back full circle to embrace it and try to use it as a foil to Obamacare....I found that rather ridiculous.

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Post by Yuri Yukuv Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:25 pm

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Swanhends wrote:ah yes, who wouldn't like to go back to 1913

I was just thinking yesterday that there was not nearly enough sawdust and unidentifiable material in my ground beef

There is always a balance, plus its about decentralization and rule based decision making more than complete deregulation. There is alot of regulation I wont tolerate from federal government but would from state or local, why? Because Im closer to decision making and the process becomes more mixed as opposed to complete top down

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Yeah because federal regulation isn't complicated enough....clearly what we need is 50 different sets of regulations, one for each state

Come on dude...Its not 1860 anymore, the kind of government you're talking about isn't feasible.

Its done in europe, regulations converge when they work and filtered through when they dont as long as it doesnt interfere with interstate commerce should be good. Plus its easier to take them away and implement new ones, we dont see public shitting their pants when either happens like it does now on federal level.
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Post by Yuri Yukuv Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:33 pm

I thought Romney did well, hes back to his roots as a country club republican and not the neocon on evangeical that hes played to in primaries. This showed as he believed in what he said, was compassionate about it and aggressive.

Obama was lack lustre and always looking at his feet for some reason.

Im thinking foreign policy debate will be like this as well.
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Post by McLewis Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:03 pm

Nah....Romney had Obama's number on the economy as that's where his experience is strongest, but Obama has been much better in the foreign policy arena. That said, if he comes off in that debate looking like he did in this one, Romney may be the better for it in that instance as well.
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Post by Yuri Yukuv Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:59 pm

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Post by guest7 Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:28 pm

http://www.villagevoice.com/2012-10-10/columns/mitt-romney-stupidity-Michael-Musto/
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Post by RealGunner Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:58 pm

Thoughts on this ?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/11/1143096/-Romney-reiterates-claim-that-ER-is-health-care
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Post by McLewis Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:11 pm

Yes, when we get hurt, we aren't left to die in our apartments. If you're uninsured and you have to go to the ER, you'll get treatment and then a huge ass bill that the hospital will go through hell and high water to collect on.

So it's emergency health care, but still health care so I see where he's coming from. It's not at all a viable solution to the millions that have no health insurance because of how expensive it is to maintain, their jobs don't provide it, or they simply have pre-existing conditions. That's what needs to change. Make healthcare more affordable and more inclusive and more people will have it. Repealing the law that would at least allow people with pre-existing conditions to receive insurance is not the way and that's what Romney's siding with.
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Post by The Messiah Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:21 pm

Obama all the way...
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Post by Guest Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:41 am

I'm losing followers on twitter bcuz of my honest support for Republicans Sad

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Post by RedOranje Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:29 am

No, you're losing followers on twitter because you're a Canadian who spends most of his time talking about doing drugs and going to music concerts who's suddenly felt the need to comment on a political race you A) have no real stake in and B) have even less knowledge of.

It's not who you're supporting, it's the fact that you felt the need to make it known that you support one or the other in the first place.
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Post by Guest Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:40 am

RedOranje wrote:No, you're losing followers on twitter because you're a Canadian who spends most of his time talking about doing drugs and going to music concerts who's suddenly felt the need to comment on a political race you A) have no real stake in and B) have even less knowledge of.

It's not who you're supporting, it's the fact that you felt the need to make it known that you support one or the other in the first place.

ZING!

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Post by BarrileteCosmico Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:03 am

Red it's incorrect to say that foreigners don't have anything at stake. The entire world does, especially one with middle eastern roots.


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Post by Guest Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:03 am

RedOranje wrote:No, you're losing followers on twitter because you're a Canadian who spends most of his time talking about doing drugs and going to music concerts who's suddenly felt the need to comment on a political race you A) have no real stake in and B) have even less knowledge of.

It's not who you're supporting, it's the fact that you felt the need to make it known that you support one or the other in the first place.

What absolute patronizing little boy you are.

US politics is related to every single country in the world. Like it or not, your country is the most powerful in the world and what happens there, happens in the entire world. Every single person, be it Americans, Canadians, or Zambians have a stake in it. I know more politics than you, I know a lot more about history of communism, days of Kil Il Sung, Che Guvara, the wars in Mid-East and likes of Sharon and Arafat, or the massacres of Chile in hands of Pinoche. What do you know? The Clinton family or Carter ? The Bush family? oo yea.

Typical Democrat thinking they are all that and know everything, and anyone who disagrees with their notions is automatically "clueless".

And I am glad I have something to smile about at least by going out with friends, be it music concerts or nights on lash, I don't need a forum admin to tell me what do to in my life.

And just for your info, The moment that today I declared my support for Republicans, I lost 3 followers 5 minutes after. It had nothing to do with popping molly, going to music concert, or other stuff. I study Social-Media marketing, It involved freedom of speech, unless you are an American prick who see themselves superior to anyone else on this planet. It's Social media, deal with it. At least I am not afraid of expressing my thoughts unlike you. So don't talk shit!

Knowing you, you'd probably remove this post.

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Post by RedOranje Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:08 am

I'm not a democrat, so that little attack is off base first and foremost. Second, given that my majors are political science and history in uni, I'd wager a fair amount that my knowledge on the subjects is equal or superior to yours. But then you're just operating under the "Americans don't know about the rest of the world fallacy" there too, by the look of things. And finally using the tired, old internet fallacy while ignoring my actual point.

Three strikes and you're out. This conversation's over before it began.
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Post by Guest Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:15 am

RedOranje wrote:I'm not a democrat, so that little attack is off base first and foremost. Second, given that my majors are political science and history in uni, I'd wager a fair amount that my knowledge on the subjects is equal or superior to yours. But then you're just operating under the "Americans don't know about the rest of the world fallacy" there too, by the look of things. And finally using the tired, old internet fallacy while ignoring my actual point.

Three strikes and you're out. This conversation's over before it began.

Typical ignorant of you.

What was your actual point?

Canadians have no stake in American politics ? Well that's BS

I go to musical concerts doing doping ? So what, thousands of others do, it really is non of your business. People share their stories on GL, and so do I. Some people enjoy wanking in their bathrooms, I enjoy other types of fun.

I have no knowledge of Politics ? Well, considering both my parents were in politics for fight against dictatorship and nearly lost their lives for that, not to mention I have lost a lot of family members due to political reasons, I would argue I know quite a fair bit about politics. I have felt it in my life, and not through taking some agenda-driven courses.

You made those 3 statements, and I answered you. All 3 of your points were utter crap.

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Post by RedOranje Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:18 am

Again with the bending of words and such. I've no interest in engaging in discussion where the opposing party spends the entire time twisting words and using fake arguments. As I said before, this conversation was over with the first post.
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Post by McLewis Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:46 am

Great debate honestly. Biden destroyed Ryan on foreign policy, this is not up for dispute. Ryan showed his clear inexperience, especially on Afghanistan.

However, Biden's smiling and smirks and laughter were a bit disappointing to me. You don't grin like a cheshire cat when your opponent says something you don't agree with. He just came off as condescending and immature when he needed to be the bigger guy here. That said, he drew with Ryan on the economy.

Overall, can't really decide who won.
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Post by Guest Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:58 am

Not going to pretend I know as much as others here about US politics but from what I have seen and read I really hope Romney does not win, I could not care less about the Republican v Democrats shit at all, I care more about who seems to be the best person for the job and who has the best interests of the country and the rest of the world for that matter at heart.

For my mind I hope Obama gets back in, Romney comes off as a two-face snake, especially how much he seems to change from one persona to the next just to suit certain agendas.


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Post by CBarca Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:26 am

May I ask why body language and gestures are so important in these debates? I saw, like the rest of the world, how Biden acted- but I'm not seeing why it's such a big deal. Now I know smirking and laughing does come off as a bit immature and condescending-as McLewis put it so correctly- but shouldn't the contest of the debate be decided mostly on what was presented by each side?

I'm not going to pretend I know any more politics than anyone here, I don't- I'm 16 and while I like to watch these things and be relatively informed, I don't do any research on these things, but watching the debate tonight, I did not feel it was a tie at all (which seems to be the general consensus).

To me, it seemed like Biden was victorious- despite his poor performance regarding body language.

PS: Can someone explain to me the truth on the 5 trillion dollar plan Romney/Ryan seem to be proposing? Both sides say rather contradicting things on that particular subject, and I really don't know what's true.
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Post by Yuri Yukuv Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:36 am

Crimson wrote:Not going to pretend I know as much as others here about US politics but from what I have seen and read I really hope Romney does not win, I could not care less about the Republican v Democrats shit at all, I care more about who seems to be the best person for the job and who has the best interests of the country and the rest of the world for that matter at heart.

For my mind I hope Obama gets back in, Romney comes off as a two-face snake, especially how much he seems to change from one persona to the next just to suit certain agendas.


Obama has went went from far left to center, maybe even center right and back to left

Please tell us how you really feel



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Post by Yuri Yukuv Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:39 am

Schweini wrote:I'm losing followers on twitter bcuz of my honest support for Republicans Sad

Being a small government person will not make you popular, you want to hang out with celebrities and get rappers to write songs about you go to other side

yes its very important for non-americans to care about freedom of america and human race like Reagan said, this is last bastion and its also the place where freedoms are defended from. But I would rather non-americans comment too much if they dont understand philosophical/economical theories behind repub-dem split.



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Post by Yuri Yukuv Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:42 am

CBarca wrote:May I ask why body language and gestures are so important in these debates? I saw, like the rest of the world, how Biden acted- but I'm not seeing why it's such a big deal. Now I know smirking and laughing does come off as a bit immature and condescending-as McLewis put it so correctly- but shouldn't the contest of the debate be decided mostly on what was presented by each side?

I'm not going to pretend I know any more politics than anyone here, I don't- I'm 16 and while I like to watch these things and be relatively informed, I don't do any research on these things, but watching the debate tonight, I did not feel it was a tie at all (which seems to be the general consensus).

To me, it seemed like Biden was victorious- despite his poor performance regarding body language.

PS: Can someone explain to me the truth on the 5 trillion dollar plan Romney/Ryan seem to be proposing? Both sides say rather contradicting things on that particular subject, and I really don't know what's true.

Al gore and Bush Sr both lost on gestures and body language, people dont want to vote for someone who they think will naturally look down on them or be closed to their opinions like a dictator.

about your second question it is much more complicated than either candidate is willing to admit.


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Post by Yuri Yukuv Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:45 am

McLewis wrote:Great debate honestly. Biden destroyed Ryan on foreign policy, this is not up for dispute. Ryan showed his clear inexperience, especially on Afghanistan.

However, Biden's smiling and smirks and laughter were a bit disappointing to me. You don't grin like a cheshire cat when your opponent says something you don't agree with. He just came off as condescending and immature when he needed to be the bigger guy here. That said, he drew with Ryan on the economy.

Overall, can't really decide who won.

transcript it was even

radio it was biden

tv biden lost more than ryan won

reality though is that unless one VP says something horrible this debate wont matter

As to general public AP and CNN say that Ryan won
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Post by McLewis Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:45 pm

Ryan won style. Biden won on substance.

That's how I see it.
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Post by Swanhends Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:23 pm

on whether female rape victims can get pregnant:

"it is extremely rare, if its a legitimate rape the female body has ways of shutting that down"

and this gem:

"evolution, embryology, big bang theory...all that is lies straight from the pit of hell. I don't believe the earth is but about 9000 years old, I believe it was created in 6 days as we know them, thats what the bible says."

Name that political party!



If you guessed Republican for both quotes, you would be correct!

Republican Rep. Todd Akin from Missouri, and Republican Paul Broun from Georgia

Oh by the way, both sit on the House Committee for SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY.

These are the people RUNNING OUR COUNTRY FOR F*CKS SAKE.
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