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Post by sportsczy on Tue May 21, 2013 1:45 pm

When Piggy, Gundogan and Kroos are healthy, Khedira has been on the bench in the past 6 months for Germany in the big games. Just a FYI.

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Tue May 21, 2013 1:49 pm

@Valkyrja wrote:Many people here know football better than coaches like Mourinho and Low. The team plays twice better with Sami on the field than without him, and a great example is the home game vs Dortmund in the sf.
we play better with sami because he has been here for about 3 years and build more chemistry on the field than any other player you would have signed fter him, that's simple logic. As for Germany, NT coaches are always loyal to guys like Khedira because they were part of the initial success. Competition at his position isnt so high that he needs to change him. However good Lars and Sven are, they need to seriously kick it up a notch to even bother khedira because he is a lock right now. It's like Arbeloa starting with Spain, loyalty from vdb and lack of competition at his position.

that doest make them particularly interesting players though.

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Tue May 21, 2013 1:56 pm

momo sissoko got burned because he sucked and got yellows and suspensions all the time. khedira is 1000x better, and carlo played sissoko a great deal, so khedira will be alright.

all and all i really hope carlo maintains the double pivot for now

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Post by Adit on Tue May 21, 2013 2:00 pm

@Valkyrja wrote:Many people here know football better than coaches like Mourinho and Low. The team plays twice better with Sami on the field than without him, and a great example is the home game vs Dortmund in the sf.
Khedira didnt play the home game against Dortmund and it was one of the biggest reason why we were able to pass the ball out of the back and make chances.Proof?

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2013/05/01/real-madrid-2-0-dortmund-tactics/

Khedira's problem is his technique. Our entire CBs have better ball technique than him and once teams manmark Xabi alonso we need another out let who can pass the ball.

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Post by guest7 on Tue May 21, 2013 2:06 pm

pls pls pls PLEASE dont sell modric
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Post by Valkyrja on Tue May 21, 2013 2:16 pm

@Adit wrote:
@Valkyrja wrote:Many people here know football better than coaches like Mourinho and Low. The team plays twice better with Sami on the field than without him, and a great example is the home game vs Dortmund in the sf.
Khedira didnt play the home game against Dortmund and it was one of the biggest reason why we were able to pass the ball out of the back and make chances.Proof?

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2013/05/01/real-madrid-2-0-dortmund-tactics/

Khedira's problem is his technique. Our entire CBs have better ball technique than him and once teams manmark Xabi alonso we need another out let who can pass the ball.

Khedira was subbed in, and driven the team forward. He recovered many balls in Dortmund's half, starting attacks.

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Post by Adit on Tue May 21, 2013 2:23 pm

@Valkyrja wrote:
@Adit wrote:
@Valkyrja wrote:Many people here know football better than coaches like Mourinho and Low. The team plays twice better with Sami on the field than without him, and a great example is the home game vs Dortmund in the sf.
Khedira didnt play the home game against Dortmund and it was one of the biggest reason why we were able to pass the ball out of the back and make chances.Proof?

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2013/05/01/real-madrid-2-0-dortmund-tactics/

Khedira's problem is his technique. Our entire CBs have better ball technique than him and once teams manmark Xabi alonso we need another out let who can pass the ball.

Khedira was subbed in, and driven the team forward. He recovered many balls in Dortmund's half, starting attacks.
That is true ,he was subbed in at around 80 and we scored both our goals after that but even before his introduction we were creating lot of chances.

Besides that when Khedira was subbed in BVB was prepared to hang back to their on half so they rarely pressed Khedira like they did in the first leg.

Khedira suffers when pressured and pressuring usually occurs at the first 60-70 min of the game.

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Post by Valkyrja on Tue May 21, 2013 2:24 pm

@sportsczy wrote:When Piggy, Gundogan and Kroos are healthy, Khedira has been on the bench in the past 6 months for Germany in the big games. Just a FYI.

What ? Khedira is an undisputed starter for Germany.

IMO a midfield of Gundogan Ozil and Sami would be hard to deal with

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Post by Valkyrja on Tue May 21, 2013 2:26 pm

@Adit wrote:
@Valkyrja wrote:
@Adit wrote:
Khedira didnt play the home game against Dortmund and it was one of the biggest reason why we were able to pass the ball out of the back and make chances.Proof?

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2013/05/01/real-madrid-2-0-dortmund-tactics/

Khedira's problem is his technique. Our entire CBs have better ball technique than him and once teams manmark Xabi alonso we need another out let who can pass the ball.

Khedira was subbed in, and driven the team forward. He recovered many balls in Dortmund's half, starting attacks.
That is true ,he was subbed in at around 80 and we scored both our goals after that but even before his introduction we were creating lot of chances.

Besides that when Khedira was subbed in BVB was prepared to hang back to their on half so they rarely pressed Khedira like they did in the first leg.

Khedira suffers when pressured and pressuring usually occurs at the first 60-70 min of the game.

Khedira entered in 65', and his pressing changed the game entirely. Borussia went 2 steps back after.

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Post by sportsczy on Tue May 21, 2013 2:28 pm

The turning point was the goal... Dortmund got suddenly scared. I don't think anything was working much before then with any combo of player.

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Tue May 21, 2013 2:36 pm

Are we arguing that Khedira is a good player that can impact games? really?

and we know what his limitations are, it's not like he is saving the best for his prime lol

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Post by Valkyrja on Tue May 21, 2013 2:40 pm

@Mr Nick09 wrote:Are we arguing that Khedira is a good player that can impact games? really?

and we know what his limitations are, it's not like he is saving the best for his prime lol

Having impact on a game is not only about scoring or assisting.

@what was Makelele's influence in a match ?

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Post by sportsczy on Tue May 21, 2013 2:42 pm

If you are comparing Khedira to Makelele, i will need to open a can of internet whoop ass on you lol.

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Post by alexander mahone on Tue May 21, 2013 2:54 pm

@sportsczy wrote:When Piggy, Gundogan and Kroos are healthy, Khedira has been on the bench in the past 6 months for Germany in the big games. Just a FYI.

Pretty sure Khedira played more than those names you mentioned and never been even once being benched. The only time Kroos got anywhere near the starting line up was when he's replacing injured Khedira. Khedira started all Germany WC qualifying in 2013 and that friendly vs France, made a solid pivot with either Gundogan or Schweinsteiger, he even scored a goal.
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Post by StrugaRock on Tue May 21, 2013 3:18 pm

Marca: PSG are interested in Di Maria, Pepe and Coentrao.
we could get like 60m euros for all three of them IMO. and use that money to get Bale

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Tue May 21, 2013 3:19 pm

@Valkyrja wrote:
@Mr Nick09 wrote:Are we arguing that Khedira is a good player that can impact games? really?

and we know what his limitations are, it's not like he is saving the best for his prime lol

Having impact on a game is not only about scoring or assisting.

@what was Makelele's influence in a match ?
please dont ever put Khedira and Makelele in the same sentence.

and again, the limitations of khedira are obvious

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Post by StrugaRock on Tue May 21, 2013 3:19 pm

The Telegraph says that Arsenal are readying a 19m pounds for Higuain

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Post by sportsczy on Tue May 21, 2013 3:21 pm

Germany rotates players heavily in friendlies... as does France. Those mean nothing. Nobody has been completely healthy for Germany this year. Khedira got to start a lot by default in WC qualifiers. Also, Piggy was in horrible form to start the season and Gundogan has picked up steam as the year went along.

When Kroos was last healthy in the Oct WCQ games, he started next to Piggy for the full 90 mins against Sweden and came in at halftime against Ireland for Khedira. Since then, injury merry-go-round.

Look, i like Khedira. He's solid. But he just can't play midfield well enough in terms of facilitating flow. That's a huge issue. We didn't have anyone remotely better until Modric finally came around and I'm not sure Alonso is better than Khedira... personally, i'd take Khedira over ALonso right now. But that's not going to happen in Spain. What is certain is that playing both together is a recipe for failure as was proven this year.

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Post by alexander mahone on Tue May 21, 2013 3:31 pm

@sportsczy wrote:When Kroos was last healthy in the Oct WCQ games, he started next to Piggy for the full 90 mins against Sweden and came in at halftime against Ireland for Khedira. Since then, injury merry-go-round.

Iirc only because Khedira picked up a knock in that Ireland match and has not recovered vs Sweden. Khedira got to start a lot by choice, otherwise he wouldn't start all those matches in Euro while Kroos warming the bench.

@sportsczy wrote: What is certain is that playing both together is a recipe for failure as was proven this year.

That i agree with, both Alonso and Khedira are great player and with the right partner can make a solid pivot, but not together, they both are horribly incompatible.
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Post by sportsczy on Tue May 21, 2013 3:39 pm

Kroos and Gundogan have really taken it to another level this year. Start of year... Khedira was clearly preferred. But after the season, i don't think anyone would prefer Khedira over Kroos or Gundogan. Maybe Piggy if he's off form... but that's even doubtful.

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Post by alexander mahone on Tue May 21, 2013 3:45 pm

I can agree that Gundogan has really taken it to another level, but not Kroos. Even that wouldn't affect Khedira a bit imo. Only now Gundogan would be preferred over Kroos if somehow Piggy or Khedira cannot play.
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Post by sportsczy on Tue May 21, 2013 3:49 pm

I completely disagree with you... but then again, that's what message board are for Very Happy

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Post by Valkyrja on Tue May 21, 2013 5:23 pm

Gundogan or Kroos can't play alongside Schweinsteiger. You need an engine there, a player who recovers the ball, who runs much and let the others to the magic. Khedira is slowed down by Xabi, because neither of them is good on the ball, but Sami with a player who can actually dribble, like Germany's midfielders, would rock, like we've seen at the Euros.

Most of the people on the forum don't like Khedira because he isn't good technically, but I'd like you to read this :

"We will not miss Makélelé. His technique is average, he lacks the speed and skill to take the ball past opponents, and ninety percent of his distribution either goes backwards or sideways. He wasn't a header of the ball and he rarely passed the ball more than three metres. Younger players will arrive who will cause Makélelé to be forgotten" Florentino Perez, 2003.

It's basically what everyone says today about the german, and look what it turned out, 10 years ago.

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Post by Valkyrja on Tue May 21, 2013 5:28 pm

@alexander mahone wrote:I can agree that Gundogan has really taken it to another level, but not Kroos. Even that wouldn't affect Khedira a bit imo. Only now Gundogan would be preferred over Kroos if somehow Piggy or Khedira cannot play.

If Gundogan continues to perform like that, he has great chances to be a starter at the WC.

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Post by sportsczy on Tue May 21, 2013 5:31 pm

Please tell me you're not quoting Flo's justification as to why he sold Makelele :facepalm: And there you go again comparing Khedira and Makelele :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

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Post by Doc on Tue May 21, 2013 5:42 pm

The problem with that comparison (bar the obvious) is that Real Madrid would be more or less fine without Khedira.

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