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Post by sportsczy on Sat May 04, 2013 6:02 pm

Play is forced to him Deez. I think you should only force it if you have no other option... it's not like we have scrubs other than Ronaldo on the attack. It often feels like we're Stoke City lol

I honestly feel that if we just play properly and allow the play to flow as opposed to forcing it, CR7 will still get his 50 goals... but everyone else's performance will come up too. It spreads the pitch and gives CR7 more room. He will automatically become more efficient since he will have less obstacles to goal. Hist shots total will go down and his gials will remain the same.

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Post by alexander mahone on Sat May 04, 2013 6:20 pm

How often is it the play went through Ronaldo and it actually led to something good? Most of our successful attacks in which Ronaldo scored bunch of goals was not because of him actually heavily involved in the play but more because of him successfully getting into scoring position receiving passes from everywhere. Not saying that getting into scoring position isn't part of the play, but I think the whole Ronaldo's influence is overstated. If anything, imo for a wide player he doesn't do enough in term of the play as whole, I'm all for him moving to CF tbh.


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Post by sportsczy on Sat May 04, 2013 6:29 pm

and that's the rub of it... Ronaldo is a scorer. When he gets the ball outside of scoring areas, it doesn't really work well too often. But since he attacks the box so often,the CF is forced to dezone and no longer is playing CF.

thus we need a CF that is comfortable not playing CF half the time lol.

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Post by RedOranje on Sat May 04, 2013 6:49 pm

Which Suso are you lads talking about? If it's Sáez de la Torre then you're vastly overrating where he is in his development at the moment. He's made some appearances for us to to our lack of squad depth and relatively low league position, but he's not ready to play as first-choice back-up for us, let alone a side that wants/expects to compete for multiple trophies. He's only 19 and it will be another couple of seasons before he's ready to step into a more prominent role like that.

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Post by Adit on Sat May 04, 2013 6:54 pm

@alexander mahone wrote:How often is it the play went through Ronaldo and it actually led to something good? Most of our successful attacks in which Ronaldo scored bunch of goals was not because of him actually heavily involved in the play but more because of him successfully getting into scoring position receiving passes from everywhere. Not saying that getting into scoring position isn't part of the play, but I think the whole Ronaldo's influence is overstated. If anything, imo for a wide player he doesn't do enough in term of the play as whole, I'm all for him moving to CF tbh.

Agreed. He should be moved to CF...he does nothing when he have the ball.

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Post by Le Samourai on Sat May 04, 2013 7:01 pm

CF would take some adjustment. He's accustomed to making his runs behind plays, on the break he gets running lanes but he never really has to worry about offside. There are advantages to having him on the wing.

I think a more simple solution is pass to the more creative players.

And I disagree that he does nothing - he can get down the line, he can cross, he's even demonstrated improved passing...but all this is going to no one. If we buy someone to capitalize on these things - then they become somewhat more natural to run play through him as much as we do.

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Post by Adit on Sat May 04, 2013 7:18 pm

Ok, i exaggerated a bit but still for a wide player he does very little creativity wise.


PS-He is a poor crosser.

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Post by chad4401 on Sat May 04, 2013 7:34 pm

simple way to fix our problem just spread the play and cr should stop demanding the ball like a psycho all the time, i remember if someone choose not to pass to him he would get pissed at them and when other scored looked like he could careless this all cooled down over the years but it still shows cr is playing to cement his place in history and not the team even now

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Post by FalcaoPunch on Sat May 04, 2013 8:39 pm

Maybe I was I correct in wording in one dimensional. Although that is how it seems at times.


Ronaldo is great a scoring hence almost the "default" to him. But that comes at a cost for our team as a whole. We get this mentality that it has to be Ronaldo. We can agree that Ronaldo is "demanding" but when it involves him helping creat play in almost always ends in disaster. Now I'm not bashing him, he has bailed out countless times and been huge in helping us take down Barcelona.


As for our forwards. Benzema tends to be the more efficient and effective one. (Sports as all the stats so I won't post). His contribution to our forward line is huge. Only if we had someone else on the RW. Ozil for me is great and all, but he's not that creative engine/playmaker. Our play doesn't flow through him nor does he command or distribute as well as he should amongst our forwards. Noted several times this year (Man U then BVB) He's someone Id keep but I'd purchase someone to compete with him in that spot.


Someone of you may not like Modric. Hell neither did I. But him in our midfield alongside whether Alonso or Khedira I enjoy him. His positioning he great imo and he's very technical on the ball and can be a huge asset if we find a better compliment for him (Alonso will leave/ and I don't like what Khedira does in the midfield)
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Post by guest7 on Sun May 05, 2013 11:33 am

BTW if we sell Xabi and buy Pogba we would have a pretty beast technical team:

Carvajal - Varane - Ramos - Marcelo
Pogba - Modric
Di Maria - Özil - CR
Benzema

Everyone in that team can dribble, even our defenders, lol
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Post by Adit on Sun May 05, 2013 11:55 am

Se7en wrote:BTW if we sell Xabi and buy Pogba we would have a pretty beast technical team:

Carvajal - Varane - Ramos - Marcelo
Pogba - Modric
Di Maria - Özil - CR
Benzema

Everyone in that team can dribble, even our defenders, lol
hmm

This line up gets a strong 9/10 from me. Exactl line up i have in my mind bar may be Di maria.

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Post by sportsczy on Sun May 05, 2013 12:04 pm

Yeah. Put Isco or Draxler in there instead of Di Maria and you have my vote...

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Sun May 05, 2013 1:50 pm

@sportsczy wrote:Yeah. Put Isco or Draxler in there instead of Di Maria and you have my vote...
add gundogan for modric and you get a 10 for me

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Post by Onyx on Sun May 05, 2013 1:52 pm

Is Pogba a pure DM or a B2B?
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Post by Mr Nick09 on Sun May 05, 2013 2:10 pm

Yohan Modric wrote:Is Pogba a pure DM or a B2B?
he is a n8 with defensive abilities

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Post by Adit on Sun May 05, 2013 3:06 pm

@Mr Nick09 wrote:
@sportsczy wrote:Yeah. Put Isco or Draxler in there instead of Di Maria and you have my vote...
add gundogan for modric and you get a 10 for me

I think you should watch Modric vs BVB as CM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2Tt9dwg05Q0

No body took the ball away from him the whole match.


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Post by guest7 on Sun May 05, 2013 4:34 pm

i like modric more, i just think he has had a tought time adapting becouse of no pre season/not always been used as a CM
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Post by Doc on Sun May 05, 2013 5:02 pm

And not playing regularly. Similar to Sahin, central midfielders (or players of similar position) need constant playing time to find their groove. The difference is that Sahin wasn't purchased for 35 million euros (or some figure close to that).

But yea, replace Isco with Di maria and that line up has my approval big time...

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Post by StrugaRock on Sun May 05, 2013 5:09 pm

Se7en wrote:BTW if we sell Xabi and buy Pogba we would have a pretty beast technical team:

Carvajal - Varane - Ramos - Marcelo
Pogba - Modric
Di Maria - Özil - CR
Benzema

Everyone in that team can dribble, even our defenders, lol

or Bale for Di Maria

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Post by Le Samourai on Sun May 05, 2013 5:13 pm

How about Reus for Di Maria. Also like Nick I prefer Gundogan - spends less time on the ball, plays it early and quick - just the way all our attackers like it. Veratti I know less of, and by all accounts he's not ready.

Is Pogba realistic? Wouldn't Juve just prefer to cash in on Vidal if they had to sell either? I think there would be less likelihood of friction.
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Post by StrugaRock on Sun May 05, 2013 5:17 pm

@Le Samourai wrote:How about Reus for Di Maria. Also like Nick I prefer Gundogan - spends less time on the ball, plays it early and quick - just the way all our attackers like it.

Is Pogba realistic? Wouldn't Juve just prefer to cash in on Vidal if they had to sell either? I think there would be less likelihood of friction.

Yeah I also like Reus over anybody, but BvB is unlikely to cash in on him after they sold Gotze and they are about to sell Lewa.

Pogba is unrealistic too, Juve would certainly keep him now, seeing that he is a great potential. But I wouldn't mind keeping Khedira in that position, or returning Sahin from BVB.

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Post by sportsczy on Sun May 05, 2013 5:24 pm

Pogba has a 15 mil-ish release clause. So low because Juve got him on a free. Trying to extend him since end of Jan, but he's refused so far. He's looking... doesn't mean he'll leave though.

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Post by Doc on Sun May 05, 2013 5:24 pm

I think the whole Pogba thing is there due to him not signing that extension, well, according to Sports. Honestly, Khedira is fine but if there is an improvement that can be made, the club should make it.

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Post by Le Samourai on Sun May 05, 2013 5:26 pm

Honestly I still like Sahin than I do Modric - especially for us. People will look at the Liverpool stint and say he won't cut it - but Rdogers didn't come remotely close to using him properly - and Liverpool's overall new style without forwards was very stagnant.

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Post by sportsczy on Sun May 05, 2013 5:55 pm

@Doc wrote:I think the whole Pogba thing is there due to him not signing that extension, well, according to Sports. Honestly, Khedira is fine but if there is an improvement that can be made, the club should make it.

Here the source for Pogba: http://www.franceinfo.fr/football/juventus-turin-un-an-de-plus-pour-p-pogba-917955-2013-03-12

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Post by Onyx on Sun May 05, 2013 5:58 pm

How about Mata? Although I doubt Chelsea would sell him. Maybe if we offer them Higuain or Di Maria as part of the deal/swap?

Also I a lot of playmakers are CM type players. Modric, Gundogan, Verratti etc. All 3 would need a DM next to them and Khedira isn't one.
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