Re: Allegri's lifespan at the club

by Forza Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:25 pm

Tassoti probably. Cheap + experienced + former player. All reasons why Berlu would promote him.

by Guest Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:09 pm

some reports suggesting allegri handed resignation? .... says tuttosport.

as much as i have problems with allegri's lack of tactical ideas, this season problem is not his fault at all. whatever problems milan are facing atm until the end of the season is all down to management and they will never admit their mistakes and come up with finance and FFP excuse, for years until last season this same management was playing hefty salary for unnecessary players

my bet is that until we find a new coach, tassotti will probably be a caretaker, or some news suggest even inzaghi will take over

by Ganso Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:23 pm

I think he will be fired soon,not sure if good or bad

by Il Diavolo Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:14 am

AC Milan coach Massimiliano Allegri and former player Filippo Inzaghi have reportedly clashed in a heated exchange at the club's training ground.

Allegri has been under pressure following his side's dismal start to the season and reports have suggested that he could be on his way out of the club shortly.

One man whose name has been linked to his job is former Milan striker, Inzaghi, now currently in charge of the youth team.

According to reports from La Gazzetta dello Sport and Corriere dello Sport, the dispute was triggered after Inzaghi ignored the head coach during his visit to the training ground on Thursday.

Some strong words were exchanged with the former player allegedly telling Allegri that he is "not taking his job seriously enough". The altercation turned vulgar according to some witnesses as the Milan boss accused Inzaghi of wanting to take his position.

Talking of the incident, Milan sporting director Adriano Galliani was keen to brush the event aside.

"I spoke with both Allegri and Inzaghi and both have downplayed the incident. For me, the episode is as if it never happened," he was quoted as saying by La Gazzetta dello Sport.

The squabble comes during a difficult period for the Italian giants who, after selling a number of high-profile players over the summer, have been struggling on all fronts so far this season.

After only managing a draw in their opening match in the Champions League on Tuesday night against Anderlecht, Allegri will be hoping to guide his team to a win over Udinese on Sunday in order to ease the pressure on him and his embattled side.

by Guest Fri Sep 21, 2012 3:00 am

today's major italian sport newspapers (gazzetta et al.) have the fight on the cover. so it can't be all farce, can it?

by abhinav14 Mon Oct 22, 2012 4:24 am

It'll be too expensive to fire Allegri and I don't think there'll be much use doing so until the season's over. The batch of players Milan have right now frankly aren't good enough for a top 3 finish.

by Vibe Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:10 am

You guys are assholes. Allegri is the best coach in Serie A...He has a weak,demoralized squad and no coach would do better.Yepes - Bonera strating CB pair Laughing

by Forza Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:38 am

Vibe wrote:You guys are assholes. Allegri is the best coach in Serie A...He has a weak,demoralized squad and no coach would do better.Yepes - Bonera strating CB pair

He's better than Benitez was at Inter, I'll give you that. Laughing

by Vibe Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:55 am

Forza Rossoneri wrote:
Vibe wrote:You guys are assholes. Allegri is the best coach in Serie A...He has a weak,demoralized squad and no coach would do better.Yepes - Bonera strating CB pair
He's better than Benitez was at Inter, I'll give you that.

Benitez actually had 15 points after 8 games Very Happy

by Guest Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:40 pm

Vibe wrote:
Forza Rossoneri wrote:
Vibe wrote:You guys are assholes. Allegri is the best coach in Serie A...He has a weak,demoralized squad and no coach would do better.Yepes - Bonera strating CB pair
He's better than Benitez was at Inter, I'll give you that.

Benitez actually had 15 points after 8 games

Gasperini's 3-3-1-3 :bow:

Dat win percentage :bow:

by red&blacklegion Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:13 pm

I can coach better than Allegri. What a Face

by FalcaoPunch Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:41 pm

What did you guys do with the money from Ibra and Silva?

by Kaladin Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:24 pm

ColoJunior wrote:What did you guys do with the money from Ibra and Silva?

"Debt clearing" as Berlusconi said

by Milantildeath Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:49 am

I don't think Allegri will be axed, look what he has to work with in defense. HORRIBLE options at center back. In January we need someone, anyone! My first choice right now is Vlad Chirches.

by Forza Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:24 am

Who is Vlad Chirches?

by dostoevsky Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:26 pm

Vibe wrote:You guys are assholes. Allegri is the best coach in Serie A...He has a weak,demoralized squad and no coach would do better.Yepes - Bonera strating CB pair

To be fair Vibe, Allegri persists with such a central partnership of his own volition, however given any combination there is a stark contrast between the defence of yesteryear and today.

Even given all the extenuating circumstances surrounding our club, items such as the selection of a central partnership which is weak and without future should weigh heavily against Allegri, however he remains a manager of talent and any changes must be substantive. It is not enough to abandon a coach, particularly one who has been let down by the forces within the club, without a very clear plan for the future. Any move must bring about something significantly different at Milan, otherwise we're simply running in circles.

I obviously dislike a lot that has occurred managerially with our club during the start of the season, however tacticians do not magically resolve issues. For every better coach I could name, I can also accompany their name with a list of errors and frustrating decisions from simply this very season itself. If Allegri fields the partnership of Yepes and Bonera once more I'll start punching in the walls, however it's pointless affecting changes unless we have in mind a pathway that we will absolutely stick to with courage and conviction, a pathway that Max simply does not want to follow.

If you want something more shocking than our central defence though, our depth is so bad that I can't wait for Sulley Muntari to return. Laughing

by Vibe Wed Oct 24, 2012 5:26 pm

Zapata - Acerbi is the obvious pair for me...Bonera and Yepes are clearly not up to the task with no perspective of getting better,unlike the first two.They can only get better with games in their feet.And I do like a right foot - left foot combo in central defense.Gives just a bit of edge IMO....Mexes should be more than able to fill the 3rd spot.On that note,wonder if Milan could pull of a 3 man defense hmm

Abbiati
Zapata - Mexes - Acerbi
Abate - De Jong - Monty - Urby
Boateng
Pazzini - Shaarawy

:notbad:

by the xcx Wed Oct 24, 2012 5:33 pm

The problem here lies to 3 man defensive side against Malaga imo.

by Guest Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:01 am

A change of coach usually works well when the team has potential and the manager is not making the best use of it, when the manager is out of ideas, when he has lost the dressing room, or when the new manager is very good or much better.

I don't see us getting a top manager right now. The team has very limited potential. I don't think Allegri has completely lost the dressing room, and I don't think the most likely scenario in case Allegri got fired -replacing him with Tassotti- would change anything in that or any other regard. Finally, I liked how Allegri tried something new today, and it wasn't too far from working. It was a realistic move: we played like the limited team we are, with basically seven players in our box and Ambrosini and Montolivo in front.

If he goes, so be it and it might work. I'm just afraid it would make things worse: getting an unexperienced or mediocre manager who doesn't know the squad, can't handle the pressure, etc. And "worse", at this point, would mean relegation. With all his problems, Allegri seems to me a better than average option.

by dostoevsky Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:02 am

Vibe wrote:Zapata - Acerbi is the obvious pair for me...Bonera and Yepes are clearly not up to the task with no perspective of getting better,unlike the first two.They can only get better with games in their feet.And I do like a right foot - left foot combo in central defense.Gives just a bit of edge IMO....Mexes should be more than able to fill the 3rd spot.On that note,wonder if Milan could pull of a 3 man defense

Abbiati
Zapata - Mexes - Acerbi
Abate - De Jong - Monty - Urby
Boateng
Pazzini - Shaarawy

:notbad:

:notbadindeed:

My only concern with Zapata is that he made his name in a three man backline, so if we are to persist with a two man backline then we may be better off entrusting Mexes, who is more of a natural leader than the young Columbian.

The three man backline has merit, however my only concern in the way you have built it would be that it would force us to choose between Robinho and El Shaarawy, our two most promising creative elements. We might do very well to take a leaf out of Stramaccioni's book and to use what is essentially a 3-4-3, enabling in Inter's case both Coutinho and Cassano to play without sacrificing Inter's trademark grit with a combative but intelligent midfield. It might well prove to be analogous to Milan's situation with De Jong, Montolivo and the likes of De Sciglio as wingbacks, however my concern with such a system has always been our depth at the back. My concern is that Acerbi, Zapata, Mexes, Bonera and Yepes don't represent enough quality and depth to sustain such a system, however with reinforcement in January, particularly the introduction of a central defender of pace would allow such an idea to present itself as a strong option and I believe Allegri would be willing to adopt such a system.

vasanthPato wrote:A change of coach usually works well when the team has potential and the manager is not making the best use of it, when the manager is out of ideas, when he has lost the dressing room, or when the new manager is very good or much better.

I don't see us getting a top manager right now. The team has very limited potential. I don't think Allegri has completely lost the dressing room, and I don't think the most likely scenario in case Allegri got fired -replacing him with Tassotti- would change anything in that or any other regard. Finally, I liked how Allegri tried something new today, and it wasn't too far from working. It was a realistic move: we played like the limited team we are, with basically seven players in our box and Ambrosini and Montolivo in front.

If he goes, so be it and it might work. I'm just afraid it would make things worse: getting an unexperienced or mediocre manager who doesn't know the squad, can't handle the pressure, etc. And "worse", at this point, would mean relegation. With all his problems, Allegri seems to me a better than average option.

A very good post Vasanth, and I'd particularly like to elaborate on the view you brought up that "a change of coach usually works well." It is a popular notion, particularly in Italy, that a new coach can often rejuvenate a squad, however I absolutely reject the notion as a blanket solution. It is the philosophy that drives many clubs in Italy and all it has done is to ensure that any half-sane coach in Italy is guaranteed employment every six months because at the slightest sign of trouble, a manager is sacked and a replacement, no matter how many times he has failed in the exact same job, brought in. We often hear talk of the honeymoon period for a new coach, however I am unconcerned with what a new manager may bring in the first two months of their tenure. Rather I care what they will bring about in a year, in two years and further. The fact that so many replacements are themselves sent packing but six or twelve months down the road is evidence that decisions when hastily made with little foresight do not bring solutions, just new hopes and equally new frustrations with little actual progress.

As you well brought out, without the promise of a better manager, we are likely resigning ourselves to more of the same. If we do change, it should be for the right reasons, because someone with a clear idea of what they want is being brought in, trusted and supported. Change for the sake of change will just see us lynch the next poor manager to struggle with a battered squad and the next and the next.

There are coaches who do deserve swift exits, when they're clearly ruining a team, however when the blame is so evenly distributed amongst all the factors that can drain a club, it seems unfair to focus attention on simply one of these factors. No matter who we bring in, we need a composite solution, one that deals with not simply our tactical mind-set, but adjustments to the playing group and all of these with a view towards maintaining financial stability. As you said, Allegri is adjusting and trying new methods, for now I just hope we have the patience to allow him to develop this new side, rather than discarding the efforts made before they can flower and bear fruit.

by Forza Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:36 am

Posted in this section by mistake. Put it in the Malaga thread instead.

by baresi Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:33 am

I seriously don't think Allegri would be sacked any time before December, that is if he is going to sacked. Galliani and Berlusconi are not stupid and have been in this business for ages now, anyway I will certainly post more details to how the trend has been with B&G when it comes to changing managers.

by Dante Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:57 pm

baresi wrote:I seriously don't think Allegri would be sacked any time before December, that is if he is going to sacked. Galliani and Berlusconi are not stupid and have been in this business for ages now, anyway I will certainly post more details to how the trend has been with B&G when it comes to changing managers.

Looking forward to it . ^

Now , as for Allegri.The Milanisti and many neutrals , are divided about him. Some say he's a great tactician and restless manager , others can't stand him anymore and his selections.

I read all over the internet how clueless and other stuff that he supposedly is and the more i read the more i am convinced he's not the source of our problem. Part of it , he's surely . He has done mistakes so far ,especialy about player selections, no doubt about it. I would really love to see what another coach would have done though , if in the course of just two months , he had a completely different team to coach and of lesser quality. Wouldn't he be confused and make mistakes , more or less of the same nature ? I strongly believe so.

I very much like Allegri as a coach. But if this situation deteriorates further, he will be sacked in the summer , doesn't matter if we make the next CL or not. It's like Ancelotti's last year , well similar. Fans were divided about him , Galliani always behind him , results rarely came and most of the time not in good fashion and in the end , although it was crystal clear that the team need a revolution and that Ancelotti wasn't the biggest problem , he was sacked.

by Dante Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:18 pm

And a question about gossip. I've been reading some talk about Rijkaard on the internet.. What do you think guys , would he be anything better than Allegri , if he came as his replacement in the recent future?

Could Frank build a new Milan like him imagines Milan, as when with Barcelona ? Personaly speaking , i have yet to lose hope in Allegri. But if Rijkaard was to take over at some point ,i don't care when actually, i would be very happy with it.

by baresi Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:00 am

When Berlsuconi took over Milan in 1986; Nils Liedholm was the coach he was sacked after 24 games and with only 6 games left in the season. Milans lose against Sampdoria was the result that triggered the decision.

His record for that season was 11 W, 8 D, and 5 L he had 30 points and Milan stood second in the standing behind Napoli; Berlusconi thought Nils should be doing much better with the squad he had so he sacked him with six matches left (rookie mistake) and assigned Capello who managed to win 2, draw 2, Lose 2 in the last 6 games and we ended 5th.

Our last 6 fixtures where against, Avellino (L), Torino (W), Napoli (L), Roma (W), Como (D), Udinese (D).

Anyway the season ended and Berlusconi had to do something to cover up for the rookie mistake he made, and there was no way on earth the fans would have accepted the fact of Capello remaining the head coach after the bad results, especially that Nils was a club legend and proved his worth as a coach before joining Milan, so Sacchi was hired and was backed with some massive signing to ensure his success and show that the sacking of Nils was good move, and that worked wonders for Milan.
Players brought in 1987-88 season:
Ancelotti, MvB, Colombo, Gullit, Costacurta.

To be cont'd....

by Forza Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:00 am

I'm eagerly awaiting the rest of this to see where you are going with it, Baresi.

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