Oscar and Josh in the Pivot?

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Post by Kick Wed 22 Aug 2012, 09:47

Here is a crazy thought for the future. Why not teach both Josh and Oscar defencive awareness and positioning which shouldn't be too hard as both a very intelligent footballers and play them both in the pivot together?

To be a decent DM you have to have good positioning and awareness and a decent tackle. Our main complant with Mikel is he slows down play so why not teach these two boys to be defencively sound and we could dominate the EPL.

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Kane Cahlobah Luiz Bertrand
McEachran Oscar
Ramires Mata Hazard/KDB
Sturridge/Lukaku

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Post by Rebelles.REUS.rex Wed 22 Aug 2012, 10:49

A bit fragile may get raped against the likes of someone like yaya.
But who knows it could work
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Post by Kick Wed 22 Aug 2012, 10:57

Barca do not have an overly strong midfield and they do not get overrun.
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Post by Rebelles.REUS.rex Wed 22 Aug 2012, 11:05

There in a less physical league and there mids are the best in the world. I think it may work but placed next someone like essien would be better IMO
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Post by fatman123 Wed 22 Aug 2012, 12:49

Ruthless is right, theyre just too small to play in a double pivot together

Kick wrote:Barca do not have an overly strong midfield and they do not get overrun.

thats because barca always have 70+% of the ball, theres no way we can do that
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Post by iNFINITY9910 Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:17

Will be wasting their offensive capabilities, but they can do it if the defense is rock solid.
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Post by Soul Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:20

Would be awesome but they are both too weak physically to play a defensive role, especially in the EPL Kick

But the thought of magnetic one touch passing sounds awesome Very Happy
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Post by Abramovich Wed 22 Aug 2012, 18:23

Not a chance, really can't see it happening at all although it would be nice to see kinda when we ain't being overrun.

Also it's not that easy to go and learn how to be defensively good and how to tackle, no matter how old and experienced you get (see Paul Scholes). Am sure in time both of them will develop defensive skills, but to the degree in which they can partner each other in the pivot I seriously doubt.
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Post by Blue Wed 22 Aug 2012, 20:18

An easier solution 4-3-3

------DM--------
Oscar----McEachran

Both are ACMs, either are wasted in the pivot and even more so if both play there.

its not that it won't work because they are fragile or smallish, more so that you need someone to stay deep, protect the back four, so you don't get murdered on the counter.

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Post by iNFINITY9910 Thu 23 Aug 2012, 06:28

Yeah that could work...
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Post by SchinnerC Thu 23 Aug 2012, 07:22

-------Mikel------
-Oscar--McEachran-

do looks delicious.
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Post by lszanto Thu 23 Aug 2012, 07:44

McEachran - Romeu
Hazard <-> Oscar <-> Mata
Lukaku
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Post by Kick Thu 23 Aug 2012, 10:29

So that is a no then lszanto?
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Post by lszanto Thu 23 Aug 2012, 10:36

Kick wrote:So that is a no then lszanto?

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Well for me unless like mentioned we have 70+ possession per game then I don't think it'll work. Barcelona defend by keeping hold of the ball(to some extent) which limits the amount the other teams can attack. While we usually hold on to the ball for the greater amount of the game we don't have the same sort of stats that they do, especially against the top teams.

The other issue for me is while a player can learn to be more disciplined and how to read the game better I don't really see either Joshie or Oscar becoming that strong defensively that we can play both of them there.

To me it'll always be one defensive mid and one CM, even if we bought somebody like Modric we'd still be playing a DM alongside them.
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Post by lszanto Thu 23 Aug 2012, 10:37

Having said that yesterday we had 72% possession and 89% pass accuracy :bow:

Maybe against weaker teams.
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Post by Kick Thu 23 Aug 2012, 10:43

haha yeah, it could work against weaker teams.

playing only Lampard in DM yesterday :bow:
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Post by fatman123 Thu 23 Aug 2012, 10:47

I think one of them could play in the pivot, although theyd have to be partnered by Mikel, Romeu or anyone else who can play as a "makalelle DM"
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