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Post by Gil Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:57 pm

Who has the better shot winning the WC two years from now?

Brazil contrary to the Messi apologists belief easily have the best attack in International football. Messi, Higuain, Di Maria, Aguero etc? Are you kidding me?

Midfield isn't bad either. Pastore, Banega, Mascherano etc They're defense is admittedly trash though.



Brazil have improved these past few months but they're still some gaping holes in the team and questions marks in some areas.

Can Alves and Marcelo coincide in the same team? Can Pato & Ganso recover from their injury woes? Will the old heads still be ostracized from the squad? Will Nerman really improve playing in Brazil? Will Oscar ruin his career by moving to Chelsea? How will Lucas fare in France? etc etc

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Post by jibers Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:01 pm

Argentinas defence is non exitsnt and their mf is laughable. The problem with them is the transition from mf to attack Messi has to play #10 for thjem He is their only creative source. Brazil have no chance
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Post by Ganso Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:02 pm

Mate,have you checked Argentina's defense out?Its ridiculously bad,no way they will even get close,

I think we will finish top 3,we havent lost at home since 1950.

Our youngsters are really good,probably our best u23 generation ever if they win the golden medal tomorrow


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Post by jibers Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:05 pm

Ganso wrote:Mate,have you checked Argentina's defense out?Its ridiculously bad,no way they will even get close,

I think we will finish top 3,we havent lost at home since 1950.


ARgentina have one of the worstv defences I have ever seen in a big NT. It's embarrassing tbh. If either team met Spain, VDB and the spanich players would be charged for rape
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Post by Le Samourai Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:09 pm

Brazil has Lucas and centrebacks to go along with the two best wingbacks in the game.They have a good base.

They are decent in midfield and attack as well.
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Post by Ganso Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:13 pm

some of our players will be much better and more experienced by the world cup.things change,we are much better than our copa america team and only 1 year has passed.if we keep growing until 2014,trophies will come naturally.

-Neymar-Damiao-Lucas--
--Oscar--Leiva-Ramires---
-Marcelo-Luiz-TS-Alves

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:42 pm

Don't have to worry about defence any more, Colo has arrived to save the day :coffee:

Also i see i'm one of the few that argue Argentina's midfield is worse than their defence then.....
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Post by McLewis Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:04 pm

Argentina's defense is indeed poor at the moment, but I do see ways that it can be fixed.

Mascherano isn't at all bad at CB so I don't understand why he's not used their for Argentina. He did quite well there for Barcelona. You've got the likes of Gago and Cambiasso who can fit the bill as the DM in midfield. A potential partner for Masch could be Burdisso, who's miles more solid than he was at Inter. It's the full-backs that appear to be the problem for Argentina. Not quite sold on Marcos Rojo and Pablo Zabaleta's decidedly average so I think that's where Argentina's real defensive concern should be.
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Post by Onyx Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:48 pm

Mascherano can play CB. There's also Garay, Ansaldi, Zabaleta and Otamendi.

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Post by Bear Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:55 pm

Ganso wrote:some of our players will be much better and more experienced by the world cup.things change,we are much better than our copa america team and only 1 year has passed.if we keep growing until 2014,trophies will come naturally.

-Neymar-Damiao-Lucas--
--Oscar--Leiva-Ramires---
-Marcelo-Luiz-TS-Alves


That team looks brilliant, only question I'd have is if Marcelo and Alves will work in the same team but you've got two extremely mobile CBs, Leiva not going anywhere and Ramires to help cover.

Argentina's only hope is that they can get a cohesive and consistent front 4 before going into this tournament. Their midfield is decent but even if Banega recovers 100% from his injury it'll still be a coin-toss if he'll show up or not.

Also, sh*t fullbacks.
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Post by vivabarca38 Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:24 am

Argentina(4-2-3-1):Romero-Zabaleta-Garay-Coloccini-Ansaladi-Mascherano-Pastore-Aguero-Messi-Di Maria-Higuain.
Dont see how this is a bad team at all.Best attack in International football and Midfield isnt that bad while Defence is decent.
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Post by Le Samourai Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:31 am

^Looks like something Maradona would play
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Post by Kick Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:35 am

Pastore at DM :bow:

GK
Alves TS Luiz Marcelo
Ramires Lucas
Hulk Oscar Neymar
Damiao

Strong squad as long as they can sort out the fullbacks. I still expect Spain to win but Brazil won't be far off, should make the Semi's.
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Post by Donuts Sat Aug 11, 2012 3:00 am

Argentina could pull through like the Dutch did in 2010, just needs to keep the attacking force strong.
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Post by Valkyrja Sat Aug 11, 2012 4:51 am

Diego Alves
Alves - Silva - Dede - Marcelo
Leiva
Hernanes - Oscar
Hulk - Pato - Neymar


Romero
Zabaleta - Garay - Coloccini - Ansaldi
Banega - Mascherano
Di Maria - Messi - Aguero
Higuain

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Post by Art Morte Sat Aug 11, 2012 5:15 am

Kizu wrote:
Diego Alves
Alves - Silva - Dede - Marcelo
Leiva
Hernanes - Oscar
Hulk - Pato - Neymar


Romero
Zabaleta - Garay - Coloccini - Ansaldi
Banega - Mascherano
Di Maria - Messi - Aguero
Higuain


Too little defence in both teams, imo. At least in the Argentina one. Change it to 4-4-1-1 with Aguero replaced with a LM and you'll have my approval.
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Post by Ganso Sat Aug 11, 2012 7:29 am

You guys are making unrealistic Argentina teams,Sabella never played and probably never will play the 4-2-3-1.he keeps using the 4-4-2 with some awful players like Sosa,boca's LB,some CBS we never heard of etc...also Mascherano plays as dm for them,they have no one else that can play that role well,at least ATM
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Post by Gil Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:22 am

I'd personally like to see Brazil return to their traditional 4-2-2-2. As long as certain players are disciplined it could definitely work. It would give Alves and Mehcelo far more freedom and Nerman would be playing in his best position. Also a way of getting Pato into the side. Before Dnmac bites my head off not saying Damiao isn't a good player but Pato - minus injuries is in a different League entirely. Think a Pato-Nerman partnership could be special.

Jefferson/Rafael Cabral
Alves Silva Luiz/Dede Marcelo
Lucas Leiva Ramires
Oscar Hernanes
Pato/Damiao Neymar
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:34 am

Pato is one of the most overrated players in recent memory.

Add to the fact he's the Brazilian Kieron Dyer.

Damiao all day erry day for me.
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Post by shinigami99 Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:54 am

Argentina's Midfield and Defence is pitiful, but not because they don't have the quality. Rather, the quality players are not called while mediocrity is preferred.

I swear, if Sabella starts Sosa in MF in 2014 then my butthurt will be epic
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Sat Aug 11, 2012 5:43 pm

Our midfield is worse than our defense in the Sabella era, but I think that might change soon.

We have no chance, we don't have FBs, our keeper was playing in Serie B last year and he will play for relegation fodder in this one. Our only hope is to become a counter-attacking team and just feed the ball to Messi and hope he does something - but we don't really have the players for that.

U23 Brazil raped us, if it weren't for Messi we would have easily lost.

That being we're still at top 5 team in the world, so what does that say about international football...
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Post by Ganso Sat Aug 11, 2012 6:46 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:
That being we're still at top 5 team in the world, so what does that say about international football...
Not really.....
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Post by daneq Sat Aug 11, 2012 10:45 pm

Zab---Masch---Colo---LB
------Gago---Cambiasso
Di Maria---Messi---Kun
-----------Higuain
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Post by The Sanchez Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:10 pm

Does Samuel play for Argentina? Hienze, Garay?
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Post by arjun.123 Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:01 pm

Argentina won 4-3.
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