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Re: Manchester United
Lord Hispano wrote:Started supported Monaco the season before they got relegated.
Started supporting Valencia in 98'.
Galaxy, when they played in MLS for the first time.
America when I saw take down Atlas 6-1 when I was 4 years old.
You guys be the judge.
Anyone that is able to support more than one team is not a true fan.
You are a prostitute and a cheap one for that matter.
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The Messiah wrote:
Anyone that is able to support more than one team is not a true fan.
You are a prostitute and a cheap one for that matter.
If that's how treat the club/s you support, then.
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SchinnerC wrote:Dolce Vita wrote:No, I don't agree. United's midfield weakness has been apparent since 2 years (2010 and 2011). You could get away with it in EPL but not in Europe.meteormaker wrote:I saw this post in the Caf about our MF situation. Do you agree with this?
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Interval Level, Redcafe wrote:Summer 2007: We signed Hargreaves and Anderson in addition to our midfield of Carrick, Scholes and Fletcher. All that year, the stretch on our squad was visible and SAF decided to add numbers. Carrick and Scholes were tearing it up and we were very good.
Summer 2008: Hargreaves had had a good year albeit on the right. Fletcher had put in some great performances. Scholes was still good enough and as was Carrick. Added to that we had Giggs, who SAF said would be played more centrally to save his legs. Gibson was supposed to make the step up and Anderson had a great first year. Again, we didn't feel the need to sign anyone there, understandably.
Summer 2009: We won the league and reached the CL final by being solid. It was a year where our midfield was more functional but great as a unit. Fletcher was outstanding, Carrick decent, Scholes could still hack it and Giggs was an absolute revelation. Gibson hopes were high and Anderson seemed to have a year or settling. He was still regarded highly. Hargreaves had a bad injury ridden year but all indication were, IIRC, that he would make the new season. Again, stacked in numbers and quality. Move on.
Summer 2010: Hargreaves never made it. Scholes looked old. Anderson was mediocre. Carrick's form was woeful. We, however, managed to eke out a year and didn't do too bad in the league. Hopes of Anderson making it were still high. Carrick was supposed to return to form and Fletcher was supposed to continue in great vein. Giggs again was relied on for creativity. So thats, in the least, Carrick, Fletcher, Anderson, Gibson with Scholes and Giggs to add the experience. In retrospect, one could make out why we continued to rely on them because everyone though Anderson was going to finally fulfill his talent and Fletcher and Carrick would give the support in a 442 now that Ronaldo was gone.
Summer 2011: This is probably the first year that we can question why a midfielder wasn't signed. We had Anderson who wasn't progressing. Carrick was slowly showing some form towards the end. Scholes was gone though Giggs remained. And Fletch had a mystery illness but was supposed to be back for the start of the season. We added Cleverley to that fold who SAF rated seemingly very high. Now all indications are that we DID try for a few midfielders but SAF didn't seem to be convinced. He though a season of Fletcher, Carrick, Anderson, Cleverley and Giggs is still quite competitive and he doesn't need to go overboard in signing someone. Lets not forget he still had/has high hopes of Anderson.
Frankly, it makes sense in retrospect. But apart from 2011 when we can probably say a central midfielder could be welcome, I can't think of anytime where you could've accused SAF of being sloppy or stubborn or wrong. You could see where he was coming from. Even 2011, you could say that he was stretching it, but with Fletcher seemingly going to join the squad, he had every reason to believe he could give another shot for Cleverley and Anderson to develop.
Yep especially when most teams now are trying to play 'the Barca way/Ajax way/total football' whatever you call it. We've been embarrassed twice by Barcelona in the UCL finals and more recently from Athletic Bilbao who are supposedly a lesser team than us.
I'm not saying that we're bad or anything. It's just that we are not on the level we should/expected to be.
Yeah. I think so too. Especially after the 2009 CL I doubt if we could recruit the personnel we need to at least keep up with Barca's midfield. Then after the 2011 CL and this year's miserable Europa campaign. Even if Fletcher's come back we'll still have a hard time against teams with better midfielders.
The Kagawa signing and the pursuit of either RVP and/or Lucas Moura practically wouldn't solve anything. We need a CM and a LB (for the nth time running).
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SchinnerC wrote:It's a depressing time as a United fan tbh, for me anyway. SAF could've/could still sign Sneijder,Modric,Sahin,Strootman,etc etc but I think it'll be Carrick/Fletcher partnering Scholes/Cleverley/Giggs next season again. Pogba, our decent young CM talent left too.
You shouldn't be depressed, man. United were EPL champions last year, and were 25 secs away from being champs this year. We have had some bad luck with key injuries...not an excuse, but with Vidic back we should fair better.
I get what you're saying with regards to the MF situation, and to me that is frustrating af, but it's still early in the transfer market, and SAF has said we'll be bringing in atleast 2 new players.
I just hope we don't blow 30 mill and gamble on that Moura kid.
Edit: I replied to this post before reading the rest of the thread.
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Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:As i said fans of big clubs cant possibly complain about going through bad times because they don't know what bad times are.
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The more excuses you have and justification you have to give the more of a glory supporter you are.
If you support a team that is not based in the town you where born or resided for a lengthy period of time then you are a glory supporter. Theres no getting away from it. Unless you go the other way and live in Manchester but support Norwich, then that is acceptable.
If you support a team that is not based in the town you where born or resided for a lengthy period of time then you are a glory supporter. Theres no getting away from it. Unless you go the other way and live in Manchester but support Norwich, then that is acceptable.
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NiallQuinnsdiscoPants wrote:The more excuses you have and justification you have to give the more of a glory supporter you are.
If you support a team that is not based in the town you where born or resided for a lengthy period of time then you are a glory supporter. Theres no getting away from it. Unless you go the other way and live in Manchester but support Norwich, then that is acceptable.
Well I live in North London, 18min away from Tottenham and 15min away from Arsenal, 23min away from Fulham, I used to live probably 4min away from Charlton athletic(when I was still in college), 14min away from West Ham, 23min away from Chelsea (All by driving).
But I support Bayern Munchen and I'm no a glory Hunter, how do you explain that...?
Your logic is flawed...
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BarrileteCosmico wrote:Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:As i said fans of big clubs cant possibly complain about going through bad times because they don't know what bad times are.
And today I learnt a little bit of Spanish...
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NiallQuinnsdiscoPants wrote:The more excuses you have and justification you have to give the more of a glory supporter you are.
If you support a team that is not based in the town you where born or resided for a lengthy period of time then you are a glory supporter. Theres no getting away from it. Unless you go the other way and live in Manchester but support Norwich, then that is acceptable.
Flawed logic, i live in London but i have supported Newcastle since i was 4 and we have won nothing since the 60s.
Hardly a glory supporter.
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NiallQuinnsdiscoPants wrote:The more excuses you have and justification you have to give the more of a glory supporter you are.
If you support a team that is not based in the town you where born or resided for a lengthy period of time then you are a glory supporter. Theres no getting away from it. Unless you go the other way and live in Manchester but support Norwich, then that is acceptable.
I'm born and lived 3/4 of my life in Dortmund and started watching football when Dortmund were european champions but supported Arsenal since then. Glory hunter?
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Ive been supporting Chelsea since that season we lost to yanited in the CL final and i live in an Asia/pacific country, that doesnt make me a glory hunter, even if Chelsea got relegated id still support them, it wouldnt be fun, but id do it
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I'm in Asia and I had supported United since I was in elementary.
I'm a qualified gloryhunter.
*bleep* sad the world nowadays.
If it's about f*cking United it's always about gloryhunting brouhaha.
I'm a qualified gloryhunter.
*bleep* sad the world nowadays.
If it's about f*cking United it's always about gloryhunting brouhaha.
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Glory hunting accusations always annoyed me as well. Its different if you live in the country, I live in NY in the USA and I only really support New York teams when it comes to domestic leagues, even if they suck. Like the mets, Knicks, the Rangers for a long period of time etc.meteormaker wrote:I'm in Asia and I had supported United since I was in elementary.
I'm a qualified gloryhunter.
*bleep* sad the world nowadays.
If it's about f*cking United it's always about gloryhunting brouhaha.
but when I follow a league that isn't in the country you live in, then why wouldn't you root for the better teams. Just let people watch who they want to watch and root for who they want to root for. I mean what do people expect others to do? Root for a mid table team just to be cool?
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BarrileteCosmico wrote:Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:As i said fans of big clubs cant possibly complain about going through bad times because they don't know what bad times are.
This is real passion right here. I laughed so hard when he screamed "Noooooo!!!!....Noooooo!!!!......... we're in the 2nd division!!!.....we're in the 2nd division!!!!!!!"
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Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:NiallQuinnsdiscoPants wrote:The more excuses you have and justification you have to give the more of a glory supporter you are.
If you support a team that is not based in the town you where born or resided for a lengthy period of time then you are a glory supporter. Theres no getting away from it. Unless you go the other way and live in Manchester but support Norwich, then that is acceptable.
Flawed logic, i live in London but i have supported Newcastle since i was 4 and we have won nothing since the 60s.
Hardly a glory supporter.
You admitted your self in a previous thread you started supporting newcastle the season you nearly won the league.
Might not have won anything but you were close to it. Saying not won anything from the 60s is just a excuse to try and justify it.
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NiallQuinnsdiscoPants wrote:Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:NiallQuinnsdiscoPants wrote:The more excuses you have and justification you have to give the more of a glory supporter you are.
If you support a team that is not based in the town you where born or resided for a lengthy period of time then you are a glory supporter. Theres no getting away from it. Unless you go the other way and live in Manchester but support Norwich, then that is acceptable.
Flawed logic, i live in London but i have supported Newcastle since i was 4 and we have won nothing since the 60s.
Hardly a glory supporter.
You admitted your self in a previous thread you started supporting newcastle the season you nearly won the league.
I never said that, i said i started supporting them in 1994 and when we didn't nearly win the league in 94 because i liked the name and the badge and stuck with it ever since. ( don't know why, i was 4 go figure)
I didn't even know where we finished it had no relevance to me as i was. 4
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What's wrong with being a 'glory hunter'? I'm sure there's a lot of people out there, who from the beginning turn on the TV and support a team for life.
'Glory hunter' should mean moving from team to team based on success.
'Glory hunter' should mean moving from team to team based on success.
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NiallQuinnsdiscoPants wrote:Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:NiallQuinnsdiscoPants wrote:The more excuses you have and justification you have to give the more of a glory supporter you are.
If you support a team that is not based in the town you where born or resided for a lengthy period of time then you are a glory supporter. Theres no getting away from it. Unless you go the other way and live in Manchester but support Norwich, then that is acceptable.
Flawed logic, i live in London but i have supported Newcastle since i was 4 and we have won nothing since the 60s.
Hardly a glory supporter.
You admitted your self in a previous thread you started supporting newcastle the season you nearly won the league.
Might not have won anything but you were close to it. Saying not won anything from the 60s is just a excuse to try and justify it.
Mole is a glorified, Glory Hunter. Even on a higher ground than Kobe Bryant.
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mtfootball wrote:
'Glory hunter' should mean moving from team to team based on success.
That was the meaning, until Mole decided to change it, so that it will apply to me, in such a way that I will be classified as glory hunter, simply because I want success for Bayern...
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Accusing someone of being a glory hunter when he supports a team that has never won a major trophy and started supporting them when he was 4 because he liked the name and badge of the time and didn't even know how good or bad the team was.
Is one of the most things i have ever seen.
I have seen title challenges, CL participation, Europa League participation, mid table mediocrity, relegation etc etc.
And i'm still here, yet i'm a glory hunter
Is one of the most things i have ever seen.
I have seen title challenges, CL participation, Europa League participation, mid table mediocrity, relegation etc etc.
And i'm still here, yet i'm a glory hunter
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Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Accusing someone of being a glory hunter when he supports a team that has never won a major trophy and started supporting them when he was 4 because he liked the name and badge of the time and didn't even know how good or bad the team was.
Is one of the most things i have ever seen.
I have seen title challenges, CL participation, Europa League participation, mid table mediocrity, relegation etc etc.
And i'm still here, yet i'm a glory hunter
But you guys won coca-cola Championship
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Just found this on the urban dictionary. number 6 lol
glory hunter
1. Someone who supports the most successful clubs at the time
2. Has little knowledge of the club's true history, and has never been to a game
3. Overuses phrases and mottoes (ie: YNWA)
4. Right now, they are Manchester united, Barcelona, and AC Milan fans who mainly live in the US.
5. Someone who will switch from one team to the next once they start losing
6. Someone who gets deeply involved in petty internet fights (ronaldo vs. messi, soccer vs football, etc.)
7. Someone who tries to justify when their team did not do well, even though they probably haven't even heard of them at the time (ie: Franco helped Real Madrid)
8. Gloaters
9. Most of them support every single team who's top in the table of their respective leagues at once
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I have to agree with the 9th one.
That's what you call first class glory hunter, nothing comes next after that, it's right there at the top on it's own.
God of glory hunters and that's what my sisters does, she called me when City won the league and called me when Chelsea won CPL.
Initially she called me when every one thought United won the league, few seconds later she called me to say it's City that won it and how she admire Aguero and Mancini, saying Aguero is her best player, few seconds ago she was cheering for United
She also called when C.Ronaldo scored against Barca in their last match, all these years, she has been a Barcelona fan, until now.
But her true elegance, remains only with Thierry Henry
That's what you call first class glory hunter, nothing comes next after that, it's right there at the top on it's own.
God of glory hunters and that's what my sisters does, she called me when City won the league and called me when Chelsea won CPL.
Initially she called me when every one thought United won the league, few seconds later she called me to say it's City that won it and how she admire Aguero and Mancini, saying Aguero is her best player, few seconds ago she was cheering for United
She also called when C.Ronaldo scored against Barca in their last match, all these years, she has been a Barcelona fan, until now.
But her true elegance, remains only with Thierry Henry
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The Messiah wrote:Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Accusing someone of being a glory hunter when he supports a team that has never won a major trophy and started supporting them when he was 4 because he liked the name and badge of the time and didn't even know how good or bad the team was.
Is one of the most things i have ever seen.
I have seen title challenges, CL participation, Europa League participation, mid table mediocrity, relegation etc etc.
And i'm still here, yet i'm a glory hunter
But you guys won coca-cola Championship
That's the 2nd division lol, i.e. not a major trophy. Like Bayern getting relegated and winning Bundesliga 2 and counting it as a major trophy.
also lol @ dave's post.
6 is hilarious and also very true
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DagenhamDave wrote:Just found this on the urban dictionary. number 6 lol
glory hunter
1. Someone who supports the most successful clubs at the time
2. Has little knowledge of the club's true history, and has never been to a game
3. Overuses phrases and mottoes (ie: YNWA)
4. Right now, they are Manchester united, Barcelona, and AC Milan fans who mainly live in the US.
5. Someone who will switch from one team to the next once they start losing
6. Someone who gets deeply involved in petty internet fights (ronaldo vs. messi, soccer vs football, etc.)
7. Someone who tries to justify when their team did not do well, even though they probably haven't even heard of them at the time (ie: Franco helped Real Madrid)
8. Gloaters
9. Most of them support every single team who's top in the table of their respective leagues at once
Oh God I know people who fit every single one of those descriptions
Anyway Mole's right. It doesn't matter HOW you started supporting a team, if you stick by the team through good and bad you're not a gloryhunter.
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As I said the more excuses and justification you have to give the more of a glory supporter you are.
End of the day you turned your back on local teams and decided to support a team 100s of miles away you have no real connection with. Saying I liked the pretty colors is just a cop out.
A glory supporter isnt just defined by the trophies won, the future chance of winning comes into play which crosses over into bandwagonner territory.
EG people who fell in love with City when the Arabs took over. Its no different to you starting to support newcastle randomly when they were close to winning the league mole.
What comes after doesn't matter, if things go south and success doesn't come you had already jumped on the bandwagon at a more prosperous time. Said it before and il say it again, try all you want history cant be re written.
End of the day you turned your back on local teams and decided to support a team 100s of miles away you have no real connection with. Saying I liked the pretty colors is just a cop out.
A glory supporter isnt just defined by the trophies won, the future chance of winning comes into play which crosses over into bandwagonner territory.
EG people who fell in love with City when the Arabs took over. Its no different to you starting to support newcastle randomly when they were close to winning the league mole.
What comes after doesn't matter, if things go south and success doesn't come you had already jumped on the bandwagon at a more prosperous time. Said it before and il say it again, try all you want history cant be re written.
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