Re: 'If not for Barca players, the Spanish team would not be what it is today'

by kiranr Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:54 pm

jibers wrote:
The man who Cruyff just happens to disdain for betraying him? seems legit. Go and watch The Spanish NT in the 80s and early 90s. In the 80s they played more like bilbao, thugs!

Alright Jibers. But, just want to clarify, Tiki-taka means passing in triangles right?

Oh and Rexach was talking about the times before Cryuff came to Barcelona as a player. So it is entirely possible that their style changed in the 80's and 90's.

by jibers Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:03 pm

kiranr wrote:
jibers wrote:
The man who Cruyff just happens to disdain for betraying him? seems legit. Go and watch The Spanish NT in the 80s and early 90s. In the 80s they played more like bilbao, thugs!

Alright Jibers. But, just want to clarify, Tiki-taka means passing in triangles right?

Oh and Rexach was talking about the times before Cryuff came to Barcelona as a player. So it is entirely possible that their style changed in the 80's and 90's.

if tiki taka is passing in triangles then most teams played like that. Before Cruyff came to Barcelona Venebles was manager and they were far more direct and played with Lineker and Mark Hughs Laughing

FFS he passed on Ruud Guillit and Van Basten for those two :facepalm:

Passing in trinagles is football basics 101. Tiki taka name was actually dubbed oin spain by Clemente, the king of anti football and thuggery. I for one don't agree with such a name, the Spanish style which is currently being employed has its direct roots with Cruyff.

by Adit Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:10 pm

Doesnt mean much...same can be said for many clubs.

If not for Real Madrid players, the Spanish team would not be what it is today'

If not for Valencia players, the Spanish team would not be what it is today'

If not for villarreal players, the Spanish team would not be what it is today'

If not for Atletico players, the Spanish team would not be what it is today'

which is also true btw

by kiranr Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:10 pm

jibers wrote:
kiranr wrote:
jibers wrote:
The man who Cruyff just happens to disdain for betraying him? seems legit. Go and watch The Spanish NT in the 80s and early 90s. In the 80s they played more like bilbao, thugs!

Alright Jibers. But, just want to clarify, Tiki-taka means passing in triangles right?

Oh and Rexach was talking about the times before Cryuff came to Barcelona as a player. So it is entirely possible that their style changed in the 80's and 90's.

if tiki taka is passing in triangles then most teams played like that. Before Cruyff came to Barcelona Venebles was manager and they were far more direct and played with Lineker and Mark Hughs

FFS he passed on Ruud Guillit and Van Basten for those two
Passing in trinagles is football basics 101. Tiki taka name was actually dubbed oin spain by Clemente, the king of anti football and thuggery. I for one don't agree with such a name, the Spanish style which is currently being employed has its direct roots with Cruyff.

The following is the exact quote of Rexach.

He said when Cryuff came to Barcelona as a player, he brought with him Total Football from Holland which they combined with Barca's Tiki Taka and created the style which is now essentially unique to Barcelona.

So it was when Cryuff came as a player, not when he came as a manager.

by jibers Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:16 pm

kiranr wrote:
jibers wrote:
kiranr wrote:
jibers wrote:
The man who Cruyff just happens to disdain for betraying him? seems legit. Go and watch The Spanish NT in the 80s and early 90s. In the 80s they played more like bilbao, thugs!

Alright Jibers. But, just want to clarify, Tiki-taka means passing in triangles right?

Oh and Rexach was talking about the times before Cryuff came to Barcelona as a player. So it is entirely possible that their style changed in the 80's and 90's.

if tiki taka is passing in triangles then most teams played like that. Before Cruyff came to Barcelona Venebles was manager and they were far more direct and played with Lineker and Mark Hughs

FFS he passed on Ruud Guillit and Van Basten for those two
Passing in trinagles is football basics 101. Tiki taka name was actually dubbed oin spain by Clemente, the king of anti football and thuggery. I for one don't agree with such a name, the Spanish style which is currently being employed has its direct roots with Cruyff.

The following is the exact quote of Rexach.

He said when Cryuff came to Barcelona as a player, he brought with him Total Football from Holland which they combined with Barca's Tiki Taka and created the style which is now essentially unique to Barcelona.

So it was when Cryuff came as a player, not when he came as a manager.

Again thats BS if you wathc Barcelona under Venebles they played football short of route 1. And Cruyff wan't the first person to bring total football to Spain, Rinus Michels did when he first turned up and implemented the offside trap and thing sof the total footballing nature. Building from the back and started with Michels and using the youth sytem, but it was abandoned when he left and Cruyff brought all of it back, Cruyff started using La Masia and made all teams at all the same levels play the same way, similar to what Michels did at Ajax.

by the xcx Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:17 pm

Yeah lets take away the credit of Euro 2012 from Madrid because half of the players were Catalans Laughing

. Sad thread.

by jibers Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:18 pm

Adit wrote:Doesnt mean much...same can be said for many clubs.

If not for Real Madrid players, the Spanish team would not be what it is today'

If not for Valencia players, the Spanish team would not be what it is today'

If not for villarreal players, the Spanish team would not be what it is today'

If not for Atletico players, the Spanish team would not be what it is today'

which is also true btw

Dude Spain are unisg Barcas style, get over it. Barcelona is more responsible for Spains success than any other club, ffs they are using Barcelona philosphy, even my MAdrid mates who are actually Spanish agree and begrudgingly accept it.

by Doc Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:19 pm

Nothing about taking away credit because it is clearly obvious that Barcelona and their whole way of football and its players has had a ridiculous influence on how the Spanish National Side plays.

Spain's success owes a lot of credit to Barcelona. So, long story short, what's new to what Belleti said?!

by kiranr Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:21 pm

jibers wrote:
Again thats BS if you wathc Barcelona under Venebles they played football short of route 1. And Cruyff wan't the first person to bring total football to Spain, Rinus Michels did when he first turned up and implemented the offside trap and thing sof the total footballing nature. Building from the back and started with Michels and using the youth sytem, but it was abandoned when he left and Cruyff brought all of it back, Cruyff started using La Masia and made all teams at all the same levels play the same way, similar to what Michels did at Ajax.

Yup, you are right here.

Seems like Rexach has deceived me.

by jibers Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:23 pm

kiranr wrote:
jibers wrote:
Again thats BS if you wathc Barcelona under Venebles they played football short of route 1. And Cruyff wan't the first person to bring total football to Spain, Rinus Michels did when he first turned up and implemented the offside trap and thing sof the total footballing nature. Building from the back and started with Michels and using the youth sytem, but it was abandoned when he left and Cruyff brought all of it back, Cruyff started using La Masia and made all teams at all the same levels play the same way, similar to what Michels did at Ajax.

Yup, you are right here.

Seems like Rexach has deceived me.

'If not for Barca players, the Spanish team would not be what it is today' - Page 2 37329810

by Adit Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:26 pm

jibers wrote:
Adit wrote:Doesnt mean much...same can be said for many clubs.

If not for Real Madrid players, the Spanish team would not be what it is today'

If not for Valencia players, the Spanish team would not be what it is today'

If not for villarreal players, the Spanish team would not be what it is today'

If not for Atletico players, the Spanish team would not be what it is today'

which is also true btw

Dude Spain are unisg Barcas style, get over it. Barcelona is more responsible for Spains success than any other club, ffs they are using Barcelona philosphy, even my MAdrid mates who are actually Spanish agree and begrudgingly accept it.

Using same philosophy means it is all Barcelonas players success ?

Then Ajax is responsible for Spains success if you are using that logic.

Again this thread is not talking about phylosophy so i fail to understand why you are bringing it here.

It is about players and Many clubs can say it wasnt for their players spain would not have won all three cups.

Plus the passing philosophy was there in Spain even before Cryff came to Barcelona.

by jibers Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:31 pm

Adit wrote:
jibers wrote:
Adit wrote:Doesnt mean much...same can be said for many clubs.

If not for Real Madrid players, the Spanish team would not be what it is today'

If not for Valencia players, the Spanish team would not be what it is today'

If not for villarreal players, the Spanish team would not be what it is today'

If not for Atletico players, the Spanish team would not be what it is today'

which is also true btw

Dude Spain are unisg Barcas style, get over it. Barcelona is more responsible for Spains success than any other club, ffs they are using Barcelona philosphy, even my MAdrid mates who are actually Spanish agree and begrudgingly accept it.

Using same philosophy means it is all Barcelonas players success ?

Then Ajax is responsible for Spains success if you are using that logic.

Again this thread is not talking about phylosophy so i fail to understand why you are bringing it here.

It is about players and Many clubs can say it wasnt for their players spain would not have won all three cups.

Plus the passing philosophy was there in Spain even before Cryff came to Barcelona.

of course it was... Why mad Adit? I remmeebr Italian fans quizzing you on your obssession with Espana? Aren't you Indian. I can give you a lionk to the thread if you want to ninja deny it.

by Adit Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:34 pm

jibers wrote:
Adit wrote:
jibers wrote:
Adit wrote:Doesnt mean much...same can be said for many clubs.

If not for Real Madrid players, the Spanish team would not be what it is today'

If not for Valencia players, the Spanish team would not be what it is today'

If not for villarreal players, the Spanish team would not be what it is today'

If not for Atletico players, the Spanish team would not be what it is today'

which is also true btw

Dude Spain are unisg Barcas style, get over it. Barcelona is more responsible for Spains success than any other club, ffs they are using Barcelona philosphy, even my MAdrid mates who are actually Spanish agree and begrudgingly accept it.

Using same philosophy means it is all Barcelonas players success ?

Then Ajax is responsible for Spains success if you are using that logic.

Again this thread is not talking about phylosophy so i fail to understand why you are bringing it here.

It is about players and Many clubs can say it wasnt for their players spain would not have won all three cups.

Plus the passing philosophy was there in Spain even before Cryff came to Barcelona.

of course it was... Why mad Adit? I remmeebr Italian fans quizzing you on your obssession with Espana? Aren't you Indian. I can give you a lionk to the thread if you want to ninja deny it.

why are you obsessed with Barcelona then ? Lol

half of your posts are about barcelona and i barely see you talking about ManyoooooOoO...

You have more posts about tiki taka than entire barcelona board combined lol

by jibers Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:36 pm

Adit wrote:
jibers wrote:
Adit wrote:
jibers wrote:
Adit wrote:Doesnt mean much...same can be said for many clubs.

If not for Real Madrid players, the Spanish team would not be what it is today'

If not for Valencia players, the Spanish team would not be what it is today'

If not for villarreal players, the Spanish team would not be what it is today'

If not for Atletico players, the Spanish team would not be what it is today'

which is also true btw

Dude Spain are unisg Barcas style, get over it. Barcelona is more responsible for Spains success than any other club, ffs they are using Barcelona philosphy, even my MAdrid mates who are actually Spanish agree and begrudgingly accept it.

Using same philosophy means it is all Barcelonas players success ?

Then Ajax is responsible for Spains success if you are using that logic.

Again this thread is not talking about phylosophy so i fail to understand why you are bringing it here.

It is about players and Many clubs can say it wasnt for their players spain would not have won all three cups.

Plus the passing philosophy was there in Spain even before Cryff came to Barcelona.

of course it was... Why mad Adit? I remmeebr Italian fans quizzing you on your obssession with Espana? Aren't you Indian. I can give you a lionk to the thread if you want to ninja deny it.

why are you obsessed with Barcelona then ? Lol

half of your posts are about barcelona and i barely see you talking about ManyoooooOoO...

You have more posts about tiki taka than entire barcelona board combined lol

Sure I do... Laughing

So what club do you support from you hometown again, how did you go about supporting a club 4934.47 miles away? These are the real issues here.

by Adit Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:39 pm

jibers wrote:
Adit wrote:
jibers wrote:
Adit wrote:
jibers wrote:
Adit wrote:Doesnt mean much...same can be said for many clubs.

If not for Real Madrid players, the Spanish team would not be what it is today'

If not for Valencia players, the Spanish team would not be what it is today'

If not for villarreal players, the Spanish team would not be what it is today'

If not for Atletico players, the Spanish team would not be what it is today'

which is also true btw

Dude Spain are unisg Barcas style, get over it. Barcelona is more responsible for Spains success than any other club, ffs they are using Barcelona philosphy, even my MAdrid mates who are actually Spanish agree and begrudgingly accept it.

Using same philosophy means it is all Barcelonas players success ?

Then Ajax is responsible for Spains success if you are using that logic.

Again this thread is not talking about phylosophy so i fail to understand why you are bringing it here.

It is about players and Many clubs can say it wasnt for their players spain would not have won all three cups.

Plus the passing philosophy was there in Spain even before Cryff came to Barcelona.

of course it was... Why mad Adit? I remmeebr Italian fans quizzing you on your obssession with Espana? Aren't you Indian. I can give you a lionk to the thread if you want to ninja deny it.

why are you obsessed with Barcelona then ? Lol

half of your posts are about barcelona and i barely see you talking about ManyoooooOoO...

You have more posts about tiki taka than entire barcelona board combined lol

Sure I do...

So what club do you support from you hometown again, how did you go about supporting a club 4934.47 miles. These are the real issues here.

I support FC viva Kerala. Its a small club and has a 15000 seater stadium, wanna come here ? we play tiki taka too :I'munoriginal:

You are a manyoo fan yet you are obsessed with Xavi :I'munoriginal:

Poor scholes deserves at least 1/100 of the attention you give to xavi #decieved

by Swanhends Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:46 pm

Ajax the pride of Spain :bow:

by jibers Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:53 pm

Adit wrote:
jibers wrote:
Adit wrote:
jibers wrote:
Adit wrote:
jibers wrote:
Adit wrote:Doesnt mean much...same can be said for many clubs.

If not for Real Madrid players, the Spanish team would not be what it is today'

If not for Valencia players, the Spanish team would not be what it is today'

If not for villarreal players, the Spanish team would not be what it is today'

If not for Atletico players, the Spanish team would not be what it is today'

which is also true btw

Dude Spain are unisg Barcas style, get over it. Barcelona is more responsible for Spains success than any other club, ffs they are using Barcelona philosphy, even my MAdrid mates who are actually Spanish agree and begrudgingly accept it.

Using same philosophy means it is all Barcelonas players success ?

Then Ajax is responsible for Spains success if you are using that logic.

Again this thread is not talking about phylosophy so i fail to understand why you are bringing it here.

It is about players and Many clubs can say it wasnt for their players spain would not have won all three cups.

Plus the passing philosophy was there in Spain even before Cryff came to Barcelona.

of course it was... Why mad Adit? I remmeebr Italian fans quizzing you on your obssession with Espana? Aren't you Indian. I can give you a lionk to the thread if you want to ninja deny it.

why are you obsessed with Barcelona then ? Lol

half of your posts are about barcelona and i barely see you talking about ManyoooooOoO...

You have more posts about tiki taka than entire barcelona board combined lol

Sure I do...

So what club do you support from you hometown again, how did you go about supporting a club 4934.47 miles. These are the real issues here.

:I'munoriginal:

You are a manyoo fan yet you are obsessed with Xavi :I'munoriginal:

Poor scholes deserves at least 1/100 of the attention you give to xavi #decieved

He does, hence why I created a thread for him in the UNITED section :facepalm:

Obssessed with Xavi? Considering I only started rating that prick last year, go and look at my arguements I had with Arquitecto and Alexjonasik. Rolling Eyes

I support FC viva Kerala. Its a small club and has a 15000 seater stadium, wanna come here ? we play tiki taka too 'If not for Barca players, the Spanish team would not be what it is today' - Page 2 37329810

https://goallegacy.forumotion.com/t7980-paul-scholes-tribute-to-a-legend 'If not for Barca players, the Spanish team would not be what it is today' - Page 2 37329810

by punkfusion1992 Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:14 pm

I'd say in 2008 Valencia were the most influential team for Spain. Barca had not started the tiki-taka style in 2008, Guardiola wasnt even coaching Barca at the time. Spain at that time played a different style of football, you would have a 4-2-3-1 or 4-2-2-2 with Senna and Xavi behind a Iniesta, Villa, Silva combo. and if anything, Barcelona copied Spain, because tiki-taka was implemented when Pep Guardiola took over and that was after Euro 2008.

I would still say Valencia and Real Madrid have equal importance to the Spanish national team as Barca

by jibers Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:24 pm

punkfusion1992 wrote:I'd say in 2008 Valencia were the most influential team for Spain. Barca had not started the tiki-taka style in 2008, Guardiola wasnt even coaching Barca at the time. Spain at that time played a different style of football, you would have a 4-2-3-1 or 4-2-2-2 with Senna and Xavi behind a Iniesta, Villa, Silva combo. and if anything, Barcelona copied Spain, because tiki-taka was implemented when Pep Guardiola took over and that was after Euro 2008.

I would still say Valencia and Real Madrid have equal importance to the Spanish national team as Barca

I'm guessing you started wathcing Madrid when they bought Ronaldo... 'If not for Barca players, the Spanish team would not be what it is today' - Page 2 37329810

by Grande_Milano Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:37 pm

Beletti scored from offside in that match, Etoo too

by jibers Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:39 pm

Grande_Milano wrote:Beletti scored from offside in that match, Etoo too

lol Milan got a legitimate goal cancelled as well that season that would have seen them through when Puyol dived.

by kiranr Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:40 pm

Grande_Milano wrote:Beletti scored from offside in that match, Etoo too

Technically, perhaps offside because they were probably an inch ahead, but i have seen so many such offsides not called because they simply cannot be judged at high speeds by the linesmen.

by VanDeezNuts Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:07 pm

and italy wouldnt be the same without juve and germany wouldnt be the same without bayern..

by punkfusion1992 Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:55 pm

jibers wrote:
punkfusion1992 wrote:I'd say in 2008 Valencia were the most influential team for Spain. Barca had not started the tiki-taka style in 2008, Guardiola wasnt even coaching Barca at the time. Spain at that time played a different style of football, you would have a 4-2-3-1 or 4-2-2-2 with Senna and Xavi behind a Iniesta, Villa, Silva combo. and if anything, Barcelona copied Spain, because tiki-taka was implemented when Pep Guardiola took over and that was after Euro 2008.

I would still say Valencia and Real Madrid have equal importance to the Spanish national team as Barca

I'm guessing you started wathcing Madrid when they bought Ronaldo...

those are 2 goals, I am talking about a philosophy, it was talked about as the Spain philosophy before Guardiola took over.... It was all the rave in Spain when Aragones won and he talked about how he had developed this new philosophy which was being taught around Spanish training camps at that time. The goal in the Dream Team video is an Ajax philosophy that Johan Cruijff brought to Barca when he was coach, a small difference from tiki taka, but still that difference is one that makes the Spain team win

as to your Ronaldo comment, I have been here on these forums since Lithium(if you even know what that is).... I have been here longer than 80% of today's users and I have been supporting Madrid for the past 13 years

by jibers Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:07 pm

punkfusion1992 wrote:
jibers wrote:
punkfusion1992 wrote:I'd say in 2008 Valencia were the most influential team for Spain. Barca had not started the tiki-taka style in 2008, Guardiola wasnt even coaching Barca at the time. Spain at that time played a different style of football, you would have a 4-2-3-1 or 4-2-2-2 with Senna and Xavi behind a Iniesta, Villa, Silva combo. and if anything, Barcelona copied Spain, because tiki-taka was implemented when Pep Guardiola took over and that was after Euro 2008.

I would still say Valencia and Real Madrid have equal importance to the Spanish national team as Barca

I'm guessing you started wathcing Madrid when they bought Ronaldo...

those are 2 goals, I am talking about a philosophy, it was talked about as the Spain philosophy before Guardiola took over.... It was all the rave in Spain when Aragones won and he talked about how he had developed this new philosophy which was being taught around Spanish training camps at that time. The goal in the Dream Team video is an Ajax philosophy that Johan Cruijff brought to Barca when he was coach, a small difference from tiki taka, but still that difference is one that makes the Spain team win

as to your Ronaldo comment, I have been here on these forums since Lithium(if you even know what that is).... I have been here longer than 80% of today's users and I have been supporting Madrid for the past 13 years

It's exatly the same philosophy, Fabregas even confirmeed it in an interview, safe to say he knows more about either teams playing style tha you do eh...dont be sad, Spain are using Catalan philoshopy and not mou's

by Luca Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:25 pm

vanDEEZ wrote:and italy wouldnt be the same without juve and germany wouldnt be the same without bayern..

For sure, but no one would try and argue otherwise
-this also doesn't mean that other clubs don't contribute

I think this just has more to do with Barcelona than anything

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