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Post by Onyx Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:34 pm

Yeh both he and Ozil have that special type of dribbling. :bow:

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Post by CBarca Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:26 pm

Le Samourai wrote:Iniesta finished the tournament as the best player with 1 assist....and even that assist was...pretty below average (simple lay off for Navas).

Didn't score a single goal in his 20 shots

Completed a relatively normal amount of passes for any Spanish midfielder at a relatively normal clip.

And still, for many of us, was the best player of the tournament. That's how little stats mean.

THANK YOU

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The obsession regarding stats is just...disgusting.
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Post by Ion Creanga Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:17 pm

Iniesta better than Ronaldo? what a joke... Even at this euro, look at ronaldo vs Holland and vs Czech .. those performances were far better than any of iniesta, or other players .. Portugal didn't help him very much.. I don't like Ronaldo, but i'm objective... Look what he did at United too.. you can't be serious
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Post by Le Samourai Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:21 pm

Torres vs Ireland was a similar performance to Ronaldo vs Holland.

That Dutch defense is a joke, please don't cite that performance as anything even mildly special.

He was great vs the Czechs, and was unlucky, had the goal just before half time it wouldve been the goal of the tournament by some distance.


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Post by FennecFox7 Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:26 pm

ronaldo is shit. even silva is better then him
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Post by danyjr Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:37 pm

If I had to choose between a team of 11 Cristianos or 11 Iniestas I would choose the latter.
mtfootball wrote:Yeh both he and Ozil have that special type of dribbling. :bow:
You high? Iniesta is a top dribbler while Özil is a good dribbler. No disrespect to the German, whom I think is a top player when it comes to vision and passing delivery, but dribbling-wise there is only one equal or better than Iniesta and that is Messi.
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Post by Ion Creanga Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:43 pm

danyjr wrote:If I had to choose between a team of 11 Cristianos or 11 Iniestas I would choose the latter.
mtfootball wrote:Yeh both he and Ozil have that special type of dribbling. :bow:
You high? Iniesta is a top dribbler while Özil is a good dribbler. No disrespect to the German, whom I think is a top player when it comes to vision and passing delivery, but dribbling-wise there is only one equal or better than Iniesta and that is Messi.

wow.. that's shocking.. Is this the first football competition that you watched?
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Post by harhar11 Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:50 pm

tuddor wrote:
danyjr wrote:If I had to choose between a team of 11 Cristianos or 11 Iniestas I would choose the latter.
mtfootball wrote:Yeh both he and Ozil have that special type of dribbling. :bow:
You high? Iniesta is a top dribbler while Özil is a good dribbler. No disrespect to the German, whom I think is a top player when it comes to vision and passing delivery, but dribbling-wise there is only one equal or better than Iniesta and that is Messi.

wow.. that's shocking.. Is this the first football competition that you watched?

He is talking about world football today. So the old competition doesnt matter..

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Post by Jack Daniels Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:07 pm

What's next? Pedro > CR?
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Post by danyjr Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:17 am

harhar11 wrote:He is talking about world football today. So the old competition doesnt matter..
Thumbs up
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Post by jibers Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:28 am

Come on guys. Laughing

Iniesta is too inconsistent to contend with Ronaldo. Ronaldo, Messi and Xavi are the three most consistenty players hence the 123 . Iniesta is great for tourneys, but over the course of a season he usually gets injured ot just underperforms. Ronaldo >>

DAT CONSISTENCY
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Post by The Sanchez Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:07 am

Diego Armando Maradona wrote:
Khaled wrote:

Cristiano is over-hyped by media... Media wants someone to compete with Messi and make a competition (to gain more money etc... )
Cristiano can score goals, good-looking?, big fan base (especially girls), playing for a big club like Real Madrid...

They overhype ronaldo, thats true, but do you genuinely think they dont overhype messi as well? nah never, its not like they make money from his success, thats just cristiano because girls fancy him. Just saying, it works both ways (unless you have the perspective of a barca fan)

About this thread, iniesta is a better team player, and a better technician thats obvious, ronaldo is more decisive i think

Last paragraph, spot on :bow:
Giggity5313 wrote:ronaldo is shit. even silva is better then him
Exaggeration... :bow:

Jack Daniels wrote:What's next? Pedro > CR?

You my friend have started something special... :bow: Pedro definately better CR7 Rolling Eyes
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Post by Khaled Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:52 am

Control, Passing, technique, Dribbling, Vision, Creativity...
Iniesta is much better...

Cristiano is way better physically and a better finisher..

1- When it comes to dribbling Iniesta is up there with Messi, technique wise... But, Messi is more effective cause he's better physically...
Iniesta falls down after any contact, while you need to foul Messi once and twice to drag him down...

2- Cristiano numbers (goals) are great...
But, he's goals/shots ratio is not that great...
Cristiano took 37 Shots to score 3 goals (all goals were set by his teammate, directly assisted..) While Torres took him 11 Shots to score 3 goals (also his goals were directly assisted)..

Its true that Cristiano scored 56 goals in UCL and Liga this season (but he took 338 Shots) !! That a very big number also...
Even when it comes to finishing Cristiano is not the best..
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Post by Khaled Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:59 am

Yeah, and lol at Cristiano's performance against Holland.. He scored 2 goals (great).. but it took him 12 shots !! (No one ever took this number of shots in a single euro game, its a record lol)

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Post by Lord Awesome Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:29 am

Speed, Strength, Power copled with Consistancy and
Khaled wrote:Control, Passing, technique, Dribbling, Vision, Creativity...
Iniesta is much better...

Speed, Strength, Power, Aerial dominace copled with Consistancy and Tenacity with a fair degree in Technique especially Crossing Long Passes and first Touch.
Ronaldo is much better than everyone in the world ATM. :coffee: Doesn't need a system like Messi does.
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Post by Lord Hades Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:42 am

Le Samourai wrote:Torres vs Ireland was a similar performance to Ronaldo vs Holland.

That Dutch defense is a joke, please don't cite that performance as anything even mildly special.

He was great vs the Czechs, and was unlucky, had the goal just before half time it wouldve been the goal of the tournament by some distance.

well that performance was still special, and the dutch were still better than say ireland
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Post by billionmillion Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:02 am

Lord Hispano wrote:Speed, Strength, Power copled with Consistancy and
Khaled wrote:Control, Passing, technique, Dribbling, Vision, Creativity...
Iniesta is much better...

Speed, Strength, Power, Aerial dominace copled with Consistancy and Tenacity with a fair degree in Technique especially Crossing Long Passes and first Touch.
Ronaldo is much better than everyone in the world ATM. :coffee: Doesn't need a system like Messi does.
what? Ronaldo needs system more than anybody. according to statistics 80% of his goals were directly assisted. which means team created for him to score. in messi's case it was 55%. so who needs his team-mates more?

dont fool yourself when you see CR shooting from long distances, they never go in, most of his goals are tap-ins and penalties. also in euro he got 3 direct assist which every top striker would score from them
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Post by billionmillion Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:07 am

I always believed that Iniesta is second best player in the world, this thread will not change this. Ronaldo is great scorer but that is it. you can replace ronaldo with higuain or benzema to score his tap-ins and penalties but you can not replace iniesta with anybody to create and control play like him
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Post by Lord Awesome Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:23 am

billionmillion wrote:what? Ronaldo needs system more than anybody. according to statistics 80% of his goals were directly assisted. which means team created for him to score. in messi's case it was 55%. so who needs his team-mates more?

dont fool yourself when you see CR shooting from long distances, they never go in, most of his goals are tap-ins and penalties. also in euro he got 3 direct assist which every top striker would score from them

You're mistaken. It's the team behind Ronaldo who need him to score.

He's dependant on sevice like any Forward but I'm pretty sure it's the entire team behind him who are much more dependant on him to score which he does whether he's playing for the NT or RM. He's been fundemental for every side he's played.

If it's so easy to score the goals he scores then why doesn't anyone else other than Messi do it.
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Post by Valkyrja Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:33 am

billionmillion wrote:I always believed that Iniesta is second best player in the world, this thread will not change this. Ronaldo is great scorer but that is it. you can replace ronaldo with higuain or benzema to score his tap-ins and penalties but you can not replace iniesta with anybody to create and control play like him

Ozil, Silva.

Everybody can score Ronaldo's goals, but nobody does.
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Post by billionmillion Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:39 am

but i believe other than ronaldo can score same amount of goals in madrid.
Benzema scored 32 goals, Ronaldo scored 60 goals. Take those 12 penalties from Ronaldo and give it to Benzema.
Result Benzema have 44 goals and C.Ronaldo 48 goals.

So my friend Benzema scored 44 goals being a bench player, CR scored 48 goals playing all matches. So how CR is a unique scorer? Laughing i didnt even mention Benzema's 20 assists compared to CR's 15
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Post by Lord Awesome Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:45 am

billionmillion wrote:but i believe other than ronaldo can score same amount of goals in madrid.
Benzema scored 32 goals, Ronaldo scored 60 goals. Take those 12 penalties from Ronaldo and give it to Benzema.
Result Benzema have 44 goals and C.Ronaldo 48 goals.

So my friend Benzema scored 44 goals being a bench player, CR scored 48 goals playing all matches. So how CR is a unique scorer? Laughing i didnt even mention Benzema's 20 assists compared to CR's 15

How is Ronaldo unique? The answer is in the proposition you gave me.

Benz wasn't a bench player he was rotated.

Here's the answer.

Benzema's the Center Forward: 44 goals with Penalties included.
Ronaldo's the Wing Forward: 48 goals scored with no Penalties included.

Yeah probably nothing special having your Wing Forward score more goals than you're Center Forward even with Penalties included. :coffee:

Seriously has there ever been a Wing Player who's ever scored so much in the history of the sport?


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And are you really Argentinian? Just wondering. You don't have to answer if you don't want to.
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Post by jibers Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:50 am

Lord Hispano wrote:
billionmillion wrote:but i believe other than ronaldo can score same amount of goals in madrid.
Benzema scored 32 goals, Ronaldo scored 60 goals. Take those 12 penalties from Ronaldo and give it to Benzema.
Result Benzema have 44 goals and C.Ronaldo 48 goals.

So my friend Benzema scored 44 goals being a bench player, CR scored 48 goals playing all matches. So how CR is a unique scorer? Laughing i didnt even mention Benzema's 20 assists compared to CR's 15

How is Ronaldo unique? The answer is in the proposition you gave me.

Benz wasn't a bench player he was rotated.

Here's the answer.

Benzema's the Center Forward: 44 goals with Penalties included.
Ronaldo's the Wing Forward: 48 goals scored with no Penalties included.

Yeah probably nothing special having your Wing Forward score more goals than you're Center Forward even with Penalties included. :coffee:

Seriously has there ever been a Wing Player who's ever scored so much in the history of the sport?


Off Topic:
And are you really Argentinian? Just wondering. You don't have to answer if you don't want to.

Ronaldo isn't a winger...
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Post by billionmillion Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:50 am

actually ronaldo scored 14 penalties so in this case both Benzema and Ronaldo has 46 goals. If Ronaldo is a wing forward then how a centre forward has more assists than a wing forward? does it mean that he is only a winger on paper?

also benzema played less minutes with more minutes he would have more assists
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Post by Lord Awesome Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:54 am

billionmillion wrote:actually ronaldo scored 14 penalties so in this case both Benzema and Ronaldo has 46 goals. If Ronaldo is a wing forward then how a centre forward has more assists than a wing forward? does it mean that he is only a winger on paper?

also benzema played less minutes with more minutes he would have more assists

That's because Benzema's an exceptional player as well. :coffee: If would be unfair to Benzema to not call him unique.
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Post by Lord Awesome Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:55 am

jibers wrote:
Ronaldo isn't a winger...


Why not?
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