Checking The Nostalgia: Where do Messi, CR, Pirlo, Iniesta, Xavi, Iker and Buffon stand in history

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Post by juventus101 Mon Jul 02, 2012 6:15 am

Messi if he continues this level for the rest of his career will be the best of all time. Right now, hes around Top 10-15 in my opinion.

Ronaldo will be somewhere around Top 30 of all time, maybe worse like Top 50. Hard to tell. Definitely one of the best goalscorers of all time though.

Xavi will be remember as a Top 10 CM of all time and one of the best passers of the ball and able to dicatet the tempo of the game better than almost anyine. Pirlo is a bstter version of Pirlo in my opinion and will be remembered as such. Iniesta is a lower level than Xavi and Pirlo, around Top 20 CMs. Also, i say Pirlo is the best long ball specialist ever.

Buffon in my opinion is the best Goalkeeper of all time, tied with Oliver Kahn in my opinion. Casillas is definitely Top 5 as well.

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Post by DuringTheWar Mon Jul 02, 2012 7:03 am

juventus101 wrote:Messi if he continues this level for the rest of his career will be the best of all time. Right now, hes around Top 10-15 in my opinion.

Tbh i think we all have to realise there is a difference between "best", and "greatest". Greatness is directly to do with the success a player has in his career, and every elite player in history (lets say the top 10 most talented) has a chance at the start of their career to be written as the greatest, how much they achieve will determine where they rank, and tbh much of a players success is circumstantial. Some have the fortune to have no serious injury, others dont, some got to play in great teams, others didnt, some got to play weak opponents, others didnt, some got great media coverage others didnt, ect it goes on and on. To be the greatest i think messi needs to win the world cup, otherwise he will generally be considered top 5, but not generally the numero uno

Now who the best player is, thats a whole other story. Consistency? longevity? forget it, you either are or you arent its not gonna change over time. Its who the most gifted player is, who performed the best individually. For me the best ive seen is diego, i dont even think anyone else is close tbh, not that i seen
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Post by Harmonica Mon Jul 02, 2012 7:57 am

Diego Armando Maradona wrote:Tbh i think we all have to realise there is a difference between "best", and "greatest".
One of the first things we agree on.

Lemieux - Gretzky
Senna - Schumacher
Magic - Jordan
Messi - Pele

Pele's 3 WC's will be hard to top, but he was the best player of Brazil (and tournament) only in one of them (-70), and played only like one game in -62. And he never won Copa America, nor a single true national league competition.

So there will be some ways to beat him in greatness.

EDIT: Something interesting I just noticed

Lemieux (cancer) - Gretzky
Senna (death) - Schumacher
Magic (HIV+) - Jordan
Messi (HGH) - Pele

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Post by fanronaldo Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:12 am

haha where is all fans of messi ? . If all of you don't answer , I will only pull every one to answer all questions . That 's right brazilian has many talents such ronaldo , rivaldo , ronaldinho , kaka , bebeto , cafu , roberto carlos . So I just want to ask you why a team which has many talents such like why they was easily beated by france at world cup 1998 with 3 goals when ronaldo was elpilepsy . If such you say ronaldo is just one members of brazin . Why they played badly such like . Please explain because ronaldo is the only player who was sick I still remember that brazilian played rather well before the Neitherland which I see that it is better than now . I also remember that in that year zidane still did not develop such euro 2000 , world cup 2002 and world cup 2006 . So where is rivaldo , bebeto , leonardo , cafu , carlos . Why they can't show before France


Next , I just want to ask why a team with many talents such brazin was beated by honduras with 2 golds at cope american 2001 although before they always won cope america cup Why a team like brazin had to recall romario who always argue with scolari to score 8 golds at qualifying round at south america 2002 to get korean and japan . I agree that scolari has right to drop romario . But why they have to need ronaldo who is injured much and don't play for 2 years to get korean , japan . I remember that brazin always has many talents such rivaldo , ronaldinho , kaka , cafu , carlos . With all above talent players , do brazin also have enough strengh to won world cup 2002 ? Why do they bring a player who was injured much like ronaldo to get korean , japan . Ronaldo should let at home and wait for his wound recover and let the brazilian team won world cup alonely .


About Inter , I heard someone say that inter is aways good . Haha . I just want to ask that if there is any club permit our player to attend world cup . I just to say that inter scolded ronaldo to attend world cup 1998 and let be injured . And ronaldo said that he was right to be injured and inter still played well without having him . I also agree with ronaldo . But at actually , Inter droped from the second rank to the eighth rank at seria after ronaldo was injured at world cup 1998 . And no player scored any golds after ronaldo score 14 golds / 19 matches at seria . Eventually , inter have to buy roberto baggio , pirlo to save it from other disasters after ronaldo was injured . So I just want to ask if you still think that inter is always good . Inter can be polular but if you tell that it is over good , I don't agree . Inter just buy one or two good attacking players and that 's why it is not good as milan or juventus which always have many good players .

About braca I agree that that is the good club

About Cr7 I agree that he has a stronger disire than ronaldo to become the best player on over the world . Cr7 always try to practice to have a healthy body to score golds . If ronaldo just tried to practiced to have a healthy body such Cr7 , he could have lasted his prime and avoid many injures . I think that if it really happened, all people would know who is the best between 3 players , messi , Cr7 , ronaldo . They can't believe when they can't see it by themselves . Ronaldo would also have scored many golds such Cr7 at real if he didn't have injures because at real ronaldo also
played around many good players like zidane , figo , carlos , raul , beckham ...

About world cup 2006 , I agree that unsuccess of brazin belongs to ronaldo . He was too old , too fat , too slow and can't create anything for brazin . At result, brazin was easily beated by france . It was not like at world cup 2002 in match with england , although ronaldo can't score , he still can create dangers and all of english defenders must look after him if they don't want him to score golds . That 's why rivaldo and ronaldinho can have space to score golds because all english defenders focused on ronaldo .


About messi , I will only consider him as good as ronaldo if he can led argentina won at world cup or at least he led it into the fanal matches with Spain . I think almost all big team has the same strength such germany , france , brazin , italy , england ... Exception for spain is the best and is also hard to beat it . Messi can't justify any more if he can't led agrentina into final match with Spain because now argentina also has many good players such like huigain , argueo , messi , pastone ....

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Post by Harmonica Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:21 am

fanronaldo wrote:haha where is all fans of messi ? . If all of you don't answer , I will only pull every one to answer all questions . That 's right brazilian has many talents such ronaldo , rivaldo , ronaldinho , kaka , bebeto , cafu , roberto carlos . So I just want to ask you why a team which has many talents such like why they was easily beated by france at world cup 1998 with 3 goals when ronaldo was elpilepsy . If such you say ronaldo is just one members of brazin . Why they played badly such like . Please explain because ronaldo is the only player who was sick I still remember that brazilian played rather well before the Neitherland which I see that it is better than now . I also remember that in that year zidane still did not develop such euro 2000 , world cup 2002 and world cup 2006 . So where is rivaldo , bebeto , leonardo , cafu , carlos . Why they can't show before France


Next , I just want to ask why a team with many talents such brazin was beated by honduras with 2 golds at cope american 2001 although before they always won cope america cup Why a team like brazin had to recall romario who always argue with scolari to score 8 golds at qualifying round at south america 2002 to get korean and japan . I agree that scolari has right to drop romario . But why they have to need ronaldo who is injured much and don't play for 2 years to get korean , japan . I remember that brazin always has many talents such rivaldo , ronaldinho , kaka , cafu , carlos . With all above talent players , do brazin also have enough strengh to won world cup 2002 ? Why do they bring a player who was injured much like ronaldo to get korean , japan . Ronaldo should let at home and wait for his wound recover and let the brazilian team won world cup alonely .


About Inter , I heard someone say that inter is aways good . Haha . I just want to ask that if there is any club permit our player to attend world cup . I just to say that inter scolded ronaldo to attend world cup 1998 and let be injured . And ronaldo said that he was right to be injured and inter still played well without having him . I also agree with ronaldo . But at actually , Inter droped from the second rank to the eighth rank at seria after ronaldo was injured at world cup 1998 . And no player scored any golds after ronaldo score 14 golds / 19 matches at seria . Eventually , inter have to buy roberto baggio , pirlo to save it from other disasters after ronaldo was injured . So I just want to ask if you still think that inter is always good . Inter can be polular but if you tell that it is over good , I don't agree . Inter just buy one or two good attacking players and that 's why it is not good as milan or juventus which always have many good players .

About braca I agree that that is the good club

About Cr7 I agree that he has a stronger disire than ronaldo to become the best player on over the world . Cr7 always try to practice to have a healthy body to score golds . If ronaldo just tried to practiced to have a healthy body such Cr7 , he could have lasted his prime and avoid many injures . I think that if it really happened, all people would know who is the best between 3 players , messi , Cr7 , ronaldo . They can't believe when they can't see it by themselves . Ronaldo would also have scored many golds such Cr7 at real if he didn't have injures because at real ronaldo also
played around many good players like zidane , figo , carlos , raul , beckham ...

About world cup 2006 , I agree that unsuccess of brazin belongs to ronaldo . He was too old , too fat , too slow and can't create anything for brazin . At result, brazin was easily beated by france . It was not like at world cup 2002 in match with england , although ronaldo can't score , he still can create dangers and all of english defenders must look after him if they don't want him to score golds . That 's why rivaldo and ronaldinho can have space to score golds because all english defenders focused on ronaldo .


About messi , I will only consider him as good as ronaldo if he can led argentina won at world cup or at least he led it into the fanal matches with Spain . I think almost all big team has the same strength such germany , france , brazin , italy , england ... Exception for spain is the best and is also hard to beat it . Messi can't justify any more if he can't led agrentina into final match with Spain because now argentina also has many good players such like huigain , argueo , messi , pastone ....
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Post by Valkyrja Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:27 am

The WC 98 was only about a 21-y.o Ronaldo, statistically, he was directly involved in 8 of their goals, scoring 4 and assisting 4. That Brazil side wasn't better than Messi's Argentina, infact it was worse, but he carried them to the final. The guy was just too influential in his prime, and even after injury.
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Post by billionmillion Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:04 am

Kizu pls gtfo. it was a rubbish post. brazil always are in finals no matter who plays. they won 94 wc without ronaldo. in 98 they had best squad. in defense Taffarel Cafu Aldair R.Carlos midfield Rivaldo Leonardo Emerson Dunga attack Ronaldo Bebeto. you compare that team to that rubbish Argentina team in 2010? how far you can go with romeo heinze rodrigues demicelis in defense? and no midfield? you have no idea or you are just a kid
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Post by Clockwork Orange Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:48 am

I for one do not believe in the best of all time. I think that as a footballer, Messi has too much compared to Zidane and Ronaldo. Messi's influnce on his team, for this length of time, has quite frankly, never been seen at top level club football.
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Post by fanronaldo Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:35 am

please , brazin go into final match with italy due to romario although they don't have ronaldo . Do you think if brazin can won at world cup 1994 if they don't have romario , a striker can create dangers to score golds Ronaldo is just a successor of romario . Since romario , brazin don't have many strikers to create dangers in order that other players can score golds except for ronaldo . That 's when ronaldo was elpilespy , brazin played badly before france although they still have rivaldo , bebeto , leonardo , cafu , carlos . If they had romario to replace ronaldo at world cup 1998 , brazin can won at world cup 1998


In fact , Argentina still have many good players such Messi , Huagain , Argueo , Riquelme, Crespo, Tevez , Di Maria . Huagain and Di Maria are famous player at real madrid now . Huagain is having total golds which is equal with brazilian ronaldo at real madrid . Aguero is one famous striker of man city . Aguero scored 25 golds / 38 matches at man city . At alettico madrid he socred 102 golds / 234 matches . Di maria is a famous left winger striker at real madrid . Riquelme is nominated as one of the best players in 2005 . Crespo has 1 Copa Libertadores , 3 Premier League, 3 Scudetto. Crespo is also chosen by pele as 125 living legend . Too much for messi led argentina into the final match with Spain . In addtion , messi is now is placed right place at Argentina . He can't justify any more if he can't led Argentina into the final match with Spain

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Post by CrazyBoy Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:43 am

fanronaldo wrote:please , brazin go into final match with italy due to romario although they don't have ronaldo . Do you think if brazin can won at world cup 1994 if they don't have romario , a striker can create dangers to score golds Ronaldo is just a successor of romario . Since romario , brazin don't have many strikers to create dangers in order that other players can score golds except for ronaldo . That 's when ronaldo was elpilespy , brazin played badly before france although they still have rivaldo , bebeto , leonardo , cafu , carlos . If they had romario to replace ronaldo at world cup 1998 , brazin can won at world cup 1998


In fact , Argentina still have many good players such Messi , Huagain , Argueo , Riquelme, Crespo, Tevez , Di Maria . Huagain and Di Maria are famous player at real madrid now . Huagain is having total golds which is equal with brazilian ronaldo at real madrid . Aguero is one famous striker of man city . Aguero scored 25 golds / 38 matches at man city . At alettico madrid he socred 102 golds / 234 matches . Di maria is a famous left winger striker at real madrid . Riquelme is nominated as one of the best players in 2005 . Crespo has 1 Copa Libertadores , 3 Premier League, 3 Scudetto. Crespo is also chosen by pele as 125 living legend . Too much for messi led argentina into the final match with Spain . In addtion , messi is now is placed right place at Argentina . He can't justify any more if he can't led Argentina into the final match with Spain

he even choosed El Hadji Diouf and Jay-Jay Okocha.

and your whole post is a big myth. Argentina is not a better team than 1998 Brazil. it is not even close.
and also Romario had a great 1994 but you seem to forget that team had a very tight solid defensive approach played as crucial part as Romario's brilliance.

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Post by fanronaldo Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:34 pm

that is right . If in 1994 , do you think if what will brazin will look if it don't have romario . They can have a good defender to lock other players to score golds . But I want to say that if they meet big team which always have a good defenders and good attackers . You can't only defend . You have to have a player who can create dangers before gold and score golds . That is why I say romario , ronaldo is important to brazin .


But I don't think that Argentina is week . If Argentina is really week why they can play well as the Neitherland at woorld cup 1998 but because Ariel Ortega made mistake with Van Der Sar , they have to play with 9 players on field . Of course , when the Neitherland had 10 players on field , they easily beated Argentina 2-1 . If Argentina is really week , why it could score two golds like Brazin if Ariel made penalty successful at cope america 1999 . Argentina also attacked rather well before England , Sweden at world cup 2002 , but because of unluckiness , they had to fail before England and had a draw result with Sweden . In addtion , at world cup 2002 , Argentina was also on the first rank at the qualifying round of South America . At world cup 2006 , they was only also on the second rank at the qualifying round of South America just after Brazin . At the quarter -finals at world cup 2006 , they was only beated by Germany when they made penalties . So all above things showed if Argentina is week . They can not be strong as brazin but they are still a good team . they don't have success maybe because they don't really have a captain such as Maradona , a player can create dangers before gold and have ability of playing in reduced area like romario , ronaldo in order that other players can have space to score golds . While huagain , argueo , tevez , crespo , batistuta ... always have to have space to play well .


About Brazin , I have say that if they don't have ronaldo , romario . They still have rivaldo , kaka , ronaldinho , adriano , cafu , carlos , ronaldinho ... They will still play well before week teams or normal teams but when they face with strong teams they still need a person to create dangers which is closed before golds in order that other players can score golds . That is thing which Argentina don't have if you compare it with brazin however Argentina still is a good team


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Post by Forza Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:58 pm

vivabarca38 wrote:
Kizu wrote:R9 in his prime was better than Messi ever was/will be. Messi will go down as a top10 player in history if he wins WC, if not he will be for sure in top 15/20. You can't compare Zidane with Messi, because they have different roles and qualities.
CR7 is in top 3 wingers ever, but he will go down as the best for sure. Top 15/20 as a player, 'cuz he'll never win WC.
Pirlo and Xavi are top 5 best "Generals" ever. Redondo is there too. (from what i've seen). Iniesta is an AM.
Iker and Buffon are the best ever IMO.
R9 is not better than Messi lol....Ronaldo was a top player for about 4 years...and while many people argued he was one of the best players ever at that time,he still didnt win anything.Messi has been in the top 5 players in the world since he was 19-20....2nd Ronaldo top 15/20 players ever LOL.Dont go ahead of yourself.
I'm not buying into this ronaldo v messi debate, but WTF is with the part i highlighted in red?!
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Post by Valkyrja Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:07 pm

@billion

Bebeto and Dunga were past it. Emerson was nothing more than average.

+ If they had the best squad... why didn't they win the final ? Maybe because Ronaldo was ill ?
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Post by fanronaldo Fri Oct 19, 2012 10:38 am

the one thing I forgot . Argentina was not well at cope america 2007 and world cup 2010 as before because their couch , maradona . Maradona can be a good player but he is not a good coach . He chose style of play for Argentina only about attaking aspect without focusing on defending . As the sult , Argentina had to be unsuccessful before strong teams such as Germany , Brazin and many other teams at South America because Argentina know to attack , other teams can attack but even they can defend better than Maradona .

About Brazin , I have to talk that brazin in dunga time at world cup 2010 had the best defenders than all previous brazin team even I see it was better than ronaldo time . Defenders of ronaldo time was even also like .Argentina because they was good at attacking but defending row is not even the best as England or Italy

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Post by Guest Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:41 am

I think Iker has successfully passed every other keeper now after Euro 2012.

Most wins by any international player in history, most clean sheets in international history and has passed VDS by some distance now.

Holds the record for longest time undefeated in the Euro's and still going, also has a chance to break the same record for the World Cup in 2014 if Spain should make it.

Only needs 2 more clean sheets in 2014 World Cup to hold the most clean sheets in WC history as well, holds the record for least goals conceded at one World Cup from a winner.

On the verge of becoming the most successful captain in history, just one UCL win would ensure that as he has won every other trohy as Captain at both club and International level.

Also has 141 caps now for Spain and has played 41 games in the last 3 years for his country, at this rate if he plays for another 4 years he should pass Hassan as the most capped player ever.

Then there is the fact that in any final Casillas has played he has never been beaten.

UCL 2000, 2002
CdR 2010 for 120+ minutes against what many consider to be the best club side of the modern era.
Euro 2008, 2012
World Cup 2010

People love to hate on Iker but the numbers don't lie

Also he is 4th highest on the list of appearances for Real Madrid and will move into 3rd within the next 10 games. He is only 106 games away from the 711 by Raul.

He also holds the record for the player who has earned the most victories with Real Madrid.

I could go on......

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Post by ausbaz Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:43 am

Messi - best ever/ Pele, Maradona and R9 level.

CR - top 10 of all time, possibly best winger. Garrinca hmm

Iniesta - Top 20-30 of all time.

Xavi - Best spanish player of all time. Top 20 100%. >Iniesta

Pirlo - Sorry, even being Italian so many better Italian players than him/Better players in general - Baggio, Totti, ADP, Rossi, Maldini etc etc not even Top 100 of all time.

Iker - For me, top 5 keeper of all time, probably can fight out for best with.....

Buffon! Best keeper of all time. Not solely on my Italian bias but has the trophies and performances to back it up.

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Post by ausbaz Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:51 am

Crimson wrote:I think Iker has successfully passed every other keeper now after Euro 2012.

Most wins by any international player in history, most clean sheets in international history and has passed VDS by some distance now.

Holds the record for longest time undefeated in the Euro's and still going, also has a chance to break the same record for the World Cup in 2014 if Spain should make it.

Only needs 2 more clean sheets in 2014 World Cup to hold the most clean sheets in WC history as well, holds the record for least goals conceded at one World Cup from a winner.

On the verge of becoming the most successful captain in history, just one UCL win would ensure that as he has won every other trohy as Captain at both club and International level.

Also has 141 caps now for Spain and has played 41 games in the last 3 years for his country, at this rate if he plays for another 4 years he should pass Hassan as the most capped player ever.

Then there is the fact that in any final Casillas has played he has never been beaten.

UCL 2000, 2002
CdR 2010 for 120+ minutes against what many consider to be the best club side of the modern era.
Euro 2008, 2012
World Cup 2010

People love to hate on Iker but the numbers don't lie

Also he is 4th highest on the list of appearances for Real Madrid and will move into 3rd within the next 10 games. He is only 106 games away from the 711 by Raul.

He also holds the record for the player who has earned the most victories with Real Madrid.

I could go on......

All that NT stats, honestly can not be only put down to Iker - he's playing the the greatest NT of all time. And being blocked by the best possession team of all time.

Iker in Spain can be compared to the Valdes of Barcelona, get's shielded by the sheer greatness of those in front of him. (BTW Iker>Valdesx10, but just trying to prove my point)

Buffon had a greater part in Italy's 06 success than Iker did in Spain's 10's success... some of those stats are ridiculous though, still based on what I have seen Buffon>Iker in pure goalkeeping ability.

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Post by Guest Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:28 pm

ausbaz wrote:

All that NT stats, honestly can not be only put down to Iker - he's playing the the greatest NT of all time. And being blocked by the best possession team of all time.

Iker in Spain can be compared to the Valdes of Barcelona, get's shielded by the sheer greatness of those in front of him. (BTW Iker>Valdesx10, but just trying to prove my point)

Buffon had a greater part in Italy's 06 success than Iker did in Spain's 10's success... some of those stats are ridiculous though, still based on what I have seen Buffon>Iker in pure goalkeeping ability.

Can that not be said of any great player of any era?

You can not say Buffon's performance was greater than Iker's, Buffon had in front of him one of the best performing defence's in World Cup history, Cannavaro who went on to win the best player award.

I think both performances are comparable when you consider everything, especially Iker's penalty save and amazing saves in the final to keep Spain in the game.

I love Buffon but for me Iker has leaped well ahead of alot of others. If he manages another UCL success in his career and any more international trophies there will be no more argument to be had.

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Post by ausbaz Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:33 pm

Crimson wrote:
ausbaz wrote:

All that NT stats, honestly can not be only put down to Iker - he's playing the the greatest NT of all time. And being blocked by the best possession team of all time.

Iker in Spain can be compared to the Valdes of Barcelona, get's shielded by the sheer greatness of those in front of him. (BTW Iker>Valdesx10, but just trying to prove my point)

Buffon had a greater part in Italy's 06 success than Iker did in Spain's 10's success... some of those stats are ridiculous though, still based on what I have seen Buffon>Iker in pure goalkeeping ability.

Can that not be said of any great player of any era?

You can not say Buffon's performance was greater than Iker's, Buffon had in front of him one of the best performing defence's in World Cup history, Cannavaro who went on to win the best player award.

I think both performances are comparable when you consider everything, especially Iker's penalty save and amazing saves in the final to keep Spain in the game.

I love Buffon but for me Iker has leaped well ahead of alot of others. If he manages another UCL success in his career and any more international trophies there will be no more argument to be had.

And Iker arguably had the best defense in front of him. It's the Messi v Ronaldo of goalkeepers. They both have Golden Gloves, both in all team of the tournaments they have participated in, both 'humble', but I still can't look past Buffon, Serie A goalkeeper of the year for 8 of the last 13 years and probably going to make it 9 in 14. They are both living legends.
Just a spew none of them will get a WPOTY.

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Post by Muzza Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:36 pm

messi the greatest player in history

xavi and iniesta the greatest midfield duo in history

ronaldo the greatest poacher in history

buffon the greatest goalkeeper of his generation

and cassilas will soon have the most international caps of all time

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Post by Highburied Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:58 pm

Messi is not GOAT.

Top 5.

Buffon and Casillas are among the best Top 10 GKs ever.

Iniesta is forgettable. I dont even consider him Top 20.

Xavi is one of the best Central Mids ever if not the best. In general, he is top 20 imo.

Ronaldo somewhere just above top 10.

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Post by CrazyBoy Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:01 pm

Muzza wrote:messi the greatest player in history

xavi and iniesta the greatest midfield duo in history

ronaldo the greatest poacher in history

buffon the greatest goalkeeper of his generation

and cassilas will soon have the most international caps of all time
ronaldo is hardly a poacher, he is no way a poacher.
Anyways even if he is a poacher he is not the greatest poacher. Ever heard of certain Gerd Muller?

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Post by harhar11 Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:35 pm

Iniesta forgettable rofl

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Post by Valkyrja Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:15 am

harhar11 wrote:Iniesta forgettable rofl

Even though he scored in the wc final, Xavi will be remembered as the better player of the two and as the most important player(with Casillas) of the best Spain NT of all time.
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Post by fanronaldo Sun Oct 21, 2012 1:53 pm

I don't know but I don't think that ronaldo is the greatness poacher . But I have to say that he is really better at second stricker , stricker can create dangers in order that other players can score golds . He is a great poacher but he is not the greatest . Accroding to me , the greate poacher must be inzagi , van gol



@ crazy boy I don't know why you have to talk about ronaldo . If Ronaldo is not the greatest poacher , it is not associted with you . I just don't like comement of peole which don't lack of objectivity and don't find information about things which they write

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Post by The Sanchez Sun Oct 21, 2012 2:28 pm

fanronaldo wrote:I don't know but I don't think that ronaldo is the greatness poacher . But I have to say that he is really better at second stricker , stricker can create dangers in order that other players can score golds . He is a great poacher but he is not the greatest . Accroding to me , the greate poacher must be inzagi , van gol



@ crazy boy I don't know why you have to talk about ronaldo . If Ronaldo is not the greatest poacher , it is not associted with you . I just don't like comement of peole which don't lack of objectivity and don't find information about things which they write

Manchester United fan so he has some knowledge of Ronaldo's so called 'ability' :coffee:
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