Checking The Nostalgia: Where do Messi, CR, Pirlo, Iniesta, Xavi, Iker and Buffon stand in history

by Grande_Milano Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:16 pm

Messi>R9 and Zidane, being best player of all time (dont be mad Jibbers)? Yes

CR as one of the best wingers, quite possibly the best and top 20 players of all time? Yes

Pirlo, Iniesta and Xavi, top 20 CM of all time? Yes

Iker and Buff as top 5 keepers of all time? Yes

by Valkyrja Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:31 pm

R9 in his prime was better than Messi ever was/will be. Messi will go down as a top10 player in history if he wins WC, if not he will be for sure in top 15/20. You can't compare Zidane with Messi, because they have different roles and qualities.
CR7 is in top 3 wingers ever, but he will go down as the best for sure. Top 15/20 as a player, 'cuz he'll never win WC.
Pirlo and Xavi are top 5 best "Generals" ever. Redondo is there too. (from what i've seen). Iniesta is an AM.
Iker and Buffon are the best ever IMO.

by Grande_Milano Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:35 pm

did you watch Messi last seasons? R9 prime was 97-99 and he won nothing

by Harmonica Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:37 pm

Grande_Milano wrote:Messi>R9 and Zidane, being best player of all time (dont be mad Jibbers)? Yes

CR as one of the best wingers, quite possibly the best and top 20 players of all time? Yes

Pirlo, Iniesta and Xavi, top 20 CM of all time? Yes

Iker and Buff as top 5 keepers of all time? Yes

Yes, Yes, Xavi and Iniesta yes (sorry don't buy Pirlo's inclusion), yes.

by Valkyrja Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:39 pm

Grande_Milano wrote:did you watch Messi last seasons? R9 prime was 97-99 and he won nothing

Put Messi in an average Barca/Inter team and wait until he makes them UEFA Cup winners.

by Beautiful Football Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:43 pm

Kizu wrote:
Grande_Milano wrote:did you watch Messi last seasons? R9 prime was 97-99 and he won nothing

Put Messi in an average Barca/Inter team and wait until he makes them UEFA Cup winners.

Yeah pep,luis enriqe,figo were average player. Rolling Eyes

by Valkyrja Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:51 pm

Beautiful Football wrote:
Kizu wrote:
Grande_Milano wrote:did you watch Messi last seasons? R9 prime was 97-99 and he won nothing

Put Messi in an average Barca/Inter team and wait until he makes them UEFA Cup winners.

Yeah pep,luis enriqe,figo were average player.

Figo was still developing(late bloomer), Pep was a good player, not a Xavi/Iniesta, same with Luis Enrique. They didn't have the chemistry of today's Barca as well.

by billionmillion Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:53 pm

Kizu wrote:R9 in his prime was better than Messi ever was/will be. Messi will go down as a top10 player in history if he wins WC, if not he will be for sure in top 15/20. You can't compare Zidane with Messi, because they have different roles and qualities.
CR7 is in top 3 wingers ever, but he will go down as the best for sure. Top 15/20 as a player, 'cuz he'll never win WC.
Pirlo and Xavi are top 5 best "Generals" ever. Redondo is there too. (from what i've seen). Iniesta is an AM.
Iker and Buffon are the best ever IMO.

So you basically say messi and cr stand in same place in history of football? what you can expect from a cr fanboy

P.S: If you say Messi is flop of WC then R9 is flop of CL football. Yeah it was easy for him to win WC in Brazil's golden age with players likes of rivaldo ronaldinho r.carlos cafu taffarel emerson kaka

by Valkyrja Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:57 pm

billionmillion wrote:
Kizu wrote:R9 in his prime was better than Messi ever was/will be. Messi will go down as a top10 player in history if he wins WC, if not he will be for sure in top 15/20. You can't compare Zidane with Messi, because they have different roles and qualities.
CR7 is in top 3 wingers ever, but he will go down as the best for sure. Top 15/20 as a player, 'cuz he'll never win WC.
Pirlo and Xavi are top 5 best "Generals" ever. Redondo is there too. (from what i've seen). Iniesta is an AM.
Iker and Buffon are the best ever IMO.
So you basically say messi and cr stand in same place in history of football? what you can expect from a cr fanboy

P.S: If you say Messi is flop of WC then R9 is flop of CL football. Yeah it was easy for him to win WC in Brazil's golden age with players likes of rivaldo ronaldinho r.carlos cafu taffarel emerson kaka

They are the best of this generation, so if none of them will win WC/Copa/Euro will be in the same breathe. For example Messi 15 and Ronaldo 20.
PS: In '98 Ronaldo carried a Brazil team as good as the 2010 Argentina to the WC final. Pre-injury, he played only in average teams. He had bad luck not to win UCL in 2003, when they were the best team by a large margin, than the decline of Real Madrid came.

by Beautiful Football Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:59 pm

Kizu wrote:
Beautiful Football wrote:
Kizu wrote:
Grande_Milano wrote:did you watch Messi last seasons? R9 prime was 97-99 and he won nothing

Put Messi in an average Barca/Inter team and wait until he makes them UEFA Cup winners.

Yeah pep,luis enriqe,figo were average player.

Figo was still developing(late bloomer), Pep was a good player, not a Xavi/Iniesta, same with Luis Enrique. They didn't have the chemistry of today's Barca as well.

Dude you know nothing,Luis Figo was hell of a player for Barcelona and
their golden boy CAPTAIN.At least i can give you guarantee they were not
average team by any means.

by Valkyrja Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:00 pm

Beautiful Football wrote:
Kizu wrote:
Beautiful Football wrote:
Kizu wrote:
Grande_Milano wrote:did you watch Messi last seasons? R9 prime was 97-99 and he won nothing

Put Messi in an average Barca/Inter team and wait until he makes them UEFA Cup winners.

Yeah pep,luis enriqe,figo were average player.

Figo was still developing(late bloomer), Pep was a good player, not a Xavi/Iniesta, same with Luis Enrique. They didn't have the chemistry of today's Barca as well.
Dude you know nothing,Luis Figo was hell of a player for Barcelona and
their golden boy CAPTAIN.At least i can give you guarantee they were not
average team by any means.

Compare that team to this team.

by Beautiful Football Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:06 pm

Kizu wrote:
billionmillion wrote:
Kizu wrote:R9 in his prime was better than Messi ever was/will be. Messi will go down as a top10 player in history if he wins WC, if not he will be for sure in top 15/20. You can't compare Zidane with Messi, because they have different roles and qualities.
CR7 is in top 3 wingers ever, but he will go down as the best for sure. Top 15/20 as a player, 'cuz he'll never win WC.
Pirlo and Xavi are top 5 best "Generals" ever. Redondo is there too. (from what i've seen). Iniesta is an AM.
Iker and Buffon are the best ever IMO.
So you basically say messi and cr stand in same place in history of football? what you can expect from a cr fanboy

P.S: If you say Messi is flop of WC then R9 is flop of CL football. Yeah it was easy for him to win WC in Brazil's golden age with players likes of rivaldo ronaldinho r.carlos cafu taffarel emerson kaka

They are the best of this generation, so if none of them will win WC/Copa/Euro will be in the same breathe. For example Messi 15 and Ronaldo 20.
PS: In '98 Ronaldo carried a Brazil team as good as the 2010 Argentina to the WC final. Pre-injury, he played only in average teams. He had bad luck not to win UCL in 2003, when they were the best team by a large margin, than the decline of Real Madrid came.

Man you agian talking shit Taffarel,Dunga,Cafu,Rivaldo,Roberto Carlos
are as good as Otamedi,Guitarez,Romero,34 years old Veron with Maradona as a coach.yeah brazil 98 was as good as Argentina 2010. Rolling Eyes

by billionmillion Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:07 pm

Kizu wrote:
billionmillion wrote:
Kizu wrote:R9 in his prime was better than Messi ever was/will be. Messi will go down as a top10 player in history if he wins WC, if not he will be for sure in top 15/20. You can't compare Zidane with Messi, because they have different roles and qualities.
CR7 is in top 3 wingers ever, but he will go down as the best for sure. Top 15/20 as a player, 'cuz he'll never win WC.
Pirlo and Xavi are top 5 best "Generals" ever. Redondo is there too. (from what i've seen). Iniesta is an AM.
Iker and Buffon are the best ever IMO.
So you basically say messi and cr stand in same place in history of football? what you can expect from a cr fanboy

P.S: If you say Messi is flop of WC then R9 is flop of CL football. Yeah it was easy for him to win WC in Brazil's golden age with players likes of rivaldo ronaldinho r.carlos cafu taffarel emerson kaka

They are the best of this generation, so if none of them will win WC/Copa/Euro will be in the same breathe. For example Messi 15 and Ronaldo 20.
PS: In '98 Ronaldo carried a Brazil team as good as the 2010 Argentina to the WC final. Pre-injury, he played only in average teams. He had bad luck not to win UCL in 2003, when they were the best team by a large margin, than the decline of Real Madrid came.

Messi has
3 CL
3 World Player award
3 Ballon Dor
Most goals ever in a season record (82)
Most goals in golden shoe record (50)
Most goals in CL in a season (14)
4 time CL top scorer record
3th CL top scores of all time
Barca all time top scorer.
and many more records and titles at the age of 24.

name 15 better players than this

by Harmonica Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:09 pm

billionmillion wrote:
Kizu wrote:
billionmillion wrote:
Kizu wrote:R9 in his prime was better than Messi ever was/will be. Messi will go down as a top10 player in history if he wins WC, if not he will be for sure in top 15/20. You can't compare Zidane with Messi, because they have different roles and qualities.
CR7 is in top 3 wingers ever, but he will go down as the best for sure. Top 15/20 as a player, 'cuz he'll never win WC.
Pirlo and Xavi are top 5 best "Generals" ever. Redondo is there too. (from what i've seen). Iniesta is an AM.
Iker and Buffon are the best ever IMO.
So you basically say messi and cr stand in same place in history of football? what you can expect from a cr fanboy

P.S: If you say Messi is flop of WC then R9 is flop of CL football. Yeah it was easy for him to win WC in Brazil's golden age with players likes of rivaldo ronaldinho r.carlos cafu taffarel emerson kaka

They are the best of this generation, so if none of them will win WC/Copa/Euro will be in the same breathe. For example Messi 15 and Ronaldo 20.
PS: In '98 Ronaldo carried a Brazil team as good as the 2010 Argentina to the WC final. Pre-injury, he played only in average teams. He had bad luck not to win UCL in 2003, when they were the best team by a large margin, than the decline of Real Madrid came.
Messi has
3 CL
3 World Player award
3 Ballon Dor
Most goals ever in a season record (82)
Most goals in golden shoe record (50)
Most goals in CL in a season (14)
4 time CL top scorer record
3th CL top scores of all time
Barca all time top scorer.
and many more records and titles at the age of 24.

name 15 better players than this

Checking The Nostalgia: Where do Messi, CR, Pirlo, Iniesta, Xavi, Iker and Buffon stand in history Di-AOHD

by Valkyrja Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:11 pm

Beautiful Football wrote:
Kizu wrote:
billionmillion wrote:
Kizu wrote:R9 in his prime was better than Messi ever was/will be. Messi will go down as a top10 player in history if he wins WC, if not he will be for sure in top 15/20. You can't compare Zidane with Messi, because they have different roles and qualities.
CR7 is in top 3 wingers ever, but he will go down as the best for sure. Top 15/20 as a player, 'cuz he'll never win WC.
Pirlo and Xavi are top 5 best "Generals" ever. Redondo is there too. (from what i've seen). Iniesta is an AM.
Iker and Buffon are the best ever IMO.
So you basically say messi and cr stand in same place in history of football? what you can expect from a cr fanboy

P.S: If you say Messi is flop of WC then R9 is flop of CL football. Yeah it was easy for him to win WC in Brazil's golden age with players likes of rivaldo ronaldinho r.carlos cafu taffarel emerson kaka

They are the best of this generation, so if none of them will win WC/Copa/Euro will be in the same breathe. For example Messi 15 and Ronaldo 20.
PS: In '98 Ronaldo carried a Brazil team as good as the 2010 Argentina to the WC final. Pre-injury, he played only in average teams. He had bad luck not to win UCL in 2003, when they were the best team by a large margin, than the decline of Real Madrid came.
Man you agian talking shit Taffarel,Dunga,Cafu,Rivaldo,Roberto Carlos
are as good as Otamedi,Guitarez,Romero,34 years old Veron with Maradona as a coach.yeah brazil 98 was as good as Argentina 2010.

You named the best players of the Brazil team and the worst of Argentina's. Dunga was shit that tournament. Argentina had : Aguero, Higuain, Di Maria, Milito, Mascherano, Pastore

by Beautiful Football Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:11 pm

Kizu wrote:
Beautiful Football wrote:
Kizu wrote:
Beautiful Football wrote:
Kizu wrote:
Grande_Milano wrote:did you watch Messi last seasons? R9 prime was 97-99 and he won nothing

Put Messi in an average Barca/Inter team and wait until he makes them UEFA Cup winners.

Yeah pep,luis enriqe,figo were average player.

Figo was still developing(late bloomer), Pep was a good player, not a Xavi/Iniesta, same with Luis Enrique. They didn't have the chemistry of today's Barca as well.
Dude you know nothing,Luis Figo was hell of a player for Barcelona and
their golden boy CAPTAIN.At least i can give you guarantee they were not
average team by any means.

Compare that team to this team.

I have nothing to compare,don't know who told you Ronaldo lead average team.Even at inter he had good team.May be not as good as Barcelona.If You want average team that Argentina Bunch of good forward shit Defense and GK.Avarage Midfield.So in four department only they got 1 department which is world class.
I am telling you no team in the history of Football own any tournament with only world class Forward and
rest are average.And never will.

by Ganso Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:11 pm

thats unfair since messi played more tournaments than the others

by jibers Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:11 pm

Grande_Milano wrote:Messi>R9 and Zidane, being best player of all time (dont be mad Jibbers)? Yes

CR as one of the best wingers, quite possibly the best and top 20 players of all time? Yes

Pirlo, Iniesta and Xavi, top 20 CM of all time? Yes

Iker and Buff as top 5 keepers of all time? Yes

Messi is far better than Zidane and R9 ever were. Evem a blind man can see it. Nostalgics keep holding on to rubbish. Statistically he is better. Against big teams he has done better.

Xavi IS the best cm in history, at least dictating.

Iker is the best in GK in the world and quite possibly the best of all time.

by Valkyrja Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:13 pm

A

Beautiful Football wrote:
Kizu wrote:
Beautiful Football wrote:
Kizu wrote:
Beautiful Football wrote:
Kizu wrote:
Grande_Milano wrote:did you watch Messi last seasons? R9 prime was 97-99 and he won nothing

Put Messi in an average Barca/Inter team and wait until he makes them UEFA Cup winners.

Yeah pep,luis enriqe,figo were average player.

Figo was still developing(late bloomer), Pep was a good player, not a Xavi/Iniesta, same with Luis Enrique. They didn't have the chemistry of today's Barca as well.
Dude you know nothing,Luis Figo was hell of a player for Barcelona and
their golden boy CAPTAIN.At least i can give you guarantee they were not
average team by any means.

Compare that team to this team.
I have nothing to compare,don't know who told you Ronaldo lead avareg team.Even at inter he had good team.May be not as good as Barcelona.

In other threads, you, Barca fans, call Barcelona the "BEST" team ever. So you compare a good "Inter" team in the most competitive league at that time to the "BEST"

by billionmillion Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:25 pm

Inter were one of the best at that time, that time serie A was the best in the world. they lost their reputation lately

but why to compare inter to barcelona. instead you compare that golden Brazil side to this Argentina. you talk about R9's injury but R9 won WC after he injured, how this logic works? this shows that titles won by teams not by individuals. if you dont agree explain why R9 has only 1 or 2 liga title in his club career

P.S: I'm still expecting you to list 15 players that has better place in history than messi

by Beautiful Football Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:27 pm

jibers wrote:
Grande_Milano wrote:Messi>R9 and Zidane, being best player of all time (dont be mad Jibbers)? Yes

CR as one of the best wingers, quite possibly the best and top 20 players of all time? Yes

Pirlo, Iniesta and Xavi, top 20 CM of all time? Yes

Iker and Buff as top 5 keepers of all time? Yes

Messi is far better than Zidane and R9 ever were. Evem a blind man can see it. Nostalgics keep holding on to rubbish. Statistically he is better. Against big teams he has done better.

Xavi IS the best cm in history, at least dictating.

Iker is the best in GK in the world and quite possibly the best of all time.

Agree.I have seen Ronaldo and Zidane my own eyes.And honestly i can say overall i
will take Messi over Ronaldo and Zidane for my team.From what i have seen if you consider every thing
consistency(week and week out performance), longevity(until now)ability,skill,big game,Messi is the best player.

by billionmillion Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:31 pm

jiopsi wrote:
billionmillion wrote:
Kizu wrote:
billionmillion wrote:
Kizu wrote:R9 in his prime was better than Messi ever was/will be. Messi will go down as a top10 player in history if he wins WC, if not he will be for sure in top 15/20. You can't compare Zidane with Messi, because they have different roles and qualities.
CR7 is in top 3 wingers ever, but he will go down as the best for sure. Top 15/20 as a player, 'cuz he'll never win WC.
Pirlo and Xavi are top 5 best "Generals" ever. Redondo is there too. (from what i've seen). Iniesta is an AM.
Iker and Buffon are the best ever IMO.
So you basically say messi and cr stand in same place in history of football? what you can expect from a cr fanboy

P.S: If you say Messi is flop of WC then R9 is flop of CL football. Yeah it was easy for him to win WC in Brazil's golden age with players likes of rivaldo ronaldinho r.carlos cafu taffarel emerson kaka

They are the best of this generation, so if none of them will win WC/Copa/Euro will be in the same breathe. For example Messi 15 and Ronaldo 20.
PS: In '98 Ronaldo carried a Brazil team as good as the 2010 Argentina to the WC final. Pre-injury, he played only in average teams. He had bad luck not to win UCL in 2003, when they were the best team by a large margin, than the decline of Real Madrid came.
Messi has
3 CL
3 World Player award
3 Ballon Dor
Most goals ever in a season record (82)
Most goals in golden shoe record (50)
Most goals in CL in a season (14)
4 time CL top scorer record
3th CL top scores of all time
Barca all time top scorer.
and many more records and titles at the age of 24.

name 15 better players than this

this time you appeared at the right time Laughing

Keep them coming Razz

by vivabarca38 Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:35 pm

Kizu wrote:R9 in his prime was better than Messi ever was/will be. Messi will go down as a top10 player in history if he wins WC, if not he will be for sure in top 15/20. You can't compare Zidane with Messi, because they have different roles and qualities.
CR7 is in top 3 wingers ever, but he will go down as the best for sure. Top 15/20 as a player, 'cuz he'll never win WC.
Pirlo and Xavi are top 5 best "Generals" ever. Redondo is there too. (from what i've seen). Iniesta is an AM.
Iker and Buffon are the best ever IMO.

R9 is not better than Messi lol....Ronaldo was a top player for about 4 years...and while many people argued he was one of the best players ever at that time,he still didnt win anything.Messi has been in the top 5 players in the world since he was 19-20....2nd Ronaldo top 15/20 players ever LOL.Dont go ahead of yourself.

by Valkyrja Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:38 pm

vivabarca38 wrote:
Kizu wrote:R9 in his prime was better than Messi ever was/will be. Messi will go down as a top10 player in history if he wins WC, if not he will be for sure in top 15/20. You can't compare Zidane with Messi, because they have different roles and qualities.
CR7 is in top 3 wingers ever, but he will go down as the best for sure. Top 15/20 as a player, 'cuz he'll never win WC.
Pirlo and Xavi are top 5 best "Generals" ever. Redondo is there too. (from what i've seen). Iniesta is an AM.
Iker and Buffon are the best ever IMO.
R9 is not better than Messi lol....Ronaldo was a top player for about 4 years...and while many people argued he was one of the best players ever at that time,he still didnt win anything.Messi has been in the top 5 players in the world since he was 19-20....2nd Ronaldo top 15/20 players ever LOL.Dont go ahead of yourself.

Cristiano will go down in history as a top 20 player for sure. He's not there yet.

by juventus101 Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:45 am

Messi if he continues this level for the rest of his career will be the best of all time. Right now, hes around Top 10-15 in my opinion.

Ronaldo will be somewhere around Top 30 of all time, maybe worse like Top 50. Hard to tell. Definitely one of the best goalscorers of all time though.

Xavi will be remember as a Top 10 CM of all time and one of the best passers of the ball and able to dicatet the tempo of the game better than almost anyine. Pirlo is a bstter version of Pirlo in my opinion and will be remembered as such. Iniesta is a lower level than Xavi and Pirlo, around Top 20 CMs. Also, i say Pirlo is the best long ball specialist ever.

Buffon in my opinion is the best Goalkeeper of all time, tied with Oliver Kahn in my opinion. Casillas is definitely Top 5 as well.

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