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Post by RealGunner Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:25 pm

Bendtner had a better tournament than him but Torres getting more fame No

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Post by Zealous Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:26 pm

He wasn't bad but you are absolutely not facing reality if you think he played a major role in anything he ''won'' this year.
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Post by Blue Barrett Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:28 pm

Irish_Catalan_Scouser wrote:
Gil wrote:Spain's greatest ever striker. :bow:

Did more for Spain than Raul. :bow:

Run.....
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Post by Onyx Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:32 pm

Torres, 15 goals, 9 assists including the Euros.

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Post by Blue Barrett Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:36 pm

^I'm certain he had more than 9 assists.
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Post by Le Samourai Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:39 pm

His stats on the season...which count assists as any action immediately before a goal.

3463 minutes : 15 goals : 17 assists :

G/A every 108 minutes.

I don't think he played a major role in any of the wins but he played and contributed enough to deserve the medals.

But ah Zealous....now the shoe is on the other foot.....now you see how meaningless the action off scoring a goal can be.....you have seen the light.


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Post by iNFINITY9910 Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:42 pm

Haters gonna hate Very Happy Although I would have loved it if Italy won it Very Happy
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Post by Zealous Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:43 pm

He deserves a winners medal but it's only a bit more valuable than Albiol's or Lukaku's.

EDIT: Seen the light? wut? It's you who needs to lay off the kool aid eco smile

I have my heroes as well in football and I'm as biased as the next guy but come on when the chips were down and the decisive games were being played Torres's ass was on the bench end of story.
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Post by Le Samourai Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:45 pm

tongue It's definitely more valuable than Arbeloa's. Cool

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Post by Zealous Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:49 pm

Arbeloa was stud all tournament tbh did much more than Torres. (which isn't saying much at all)
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Post by Le Samourai Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:57 pm

So in your opinion, Henry did nothing to deserve his medal in 98, Villa didn't deserve it in 08..he did as much as they did.

But nah...he's Fernando Torres, doesn't deserve shit.
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Post by CBarca Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:59 pm

Torres scored 3 meaningless goals and had an assist. Seriously, did any of those goals change anything? No, Spain would have wooped Ireland anyway and the game was wrapped up against Italy. And then other than those 2 games he literally did nothing.

Woop de doo.

He was average at best. At least Arbeloa played all the games and played at least decently in all of them.

EDIT: I'm not saying Torres doesn't deserve it, he's a valuable member of the squad since he does provide the ultimate lulz but that doesn't change that he didn't do anything.
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Post by Le Samourai Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:03 pm

CBarca wrote:Torres scored 3 meaningless goals and had an assist. Seriously, did any of those goals change anything? No, Spain would have wooped Ireland anyway and the game was wrapped up against Italy. And then other than those 2 games he literally did nothing.

Woop de doo.

He was average at best. At least Arbeloa played all the games and played at least decently in all of them.

EDIT: I'm not saying Torres doesn't deserve it, he's a valuable member of the squad since he does provide the ultimate lulz but that doesn't change that he didn't do anything.

What do you want him to do though, score...

He plays, he scores, he plays well overall.

What did Villa do in 08, score 4 meaningless goals in the group stages, we would've won those matches without him anyway...we then proceed to play out best football of the tournament in the 2 matches without him , but I sure bet he wouldn't get half the grief.
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Post by Zealous Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:05 pm

Le Samourai wrote:So in your opinion, Henry did nothing to deserve his medal in 98, Villa didn't deserve it in 08..he did as much as they did.

But nah...he's Fernando Torres, doesn't deserve shit.

No Henry and Villa actually did Ok in decisive games in those tourney's.

However both don't deserve major respect for either because they weren't the main reasons behind the victory.
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Post by CBarca Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:08 pm

Le Samourai wrote:
CBarca wrote:Torres scored 3 meaningless goals and had an assist. Seriously, did any of those goals change anything? No, Spain would have wooped Ireland anyway and the game was wrapped up against Italy. And then other than those 2 games he literally did nothing.

Woop de doo.

He was average at best. At least Arbeloa played all the games and played at least decently in all of them.

EDIT: I'm not saying Torres doesn't deserve it, he's a valuable member of the squad since he does provide the ultimate lulz but that doesn't change that he didn't do anything.

What do you want him to do though, score...

He plays, he scores, he plays well overall.

What did Villa do in 08, score 4 meaningless goals in the group stages, we would've won those matches without him anyway...we then proceed to play out best football of the tournament in the 2 matches without him , but I sure bet he wouldn't get half the grief.

Yeah he did well in the game against Ireland and in the last few minutes in a now won game vs Italy, sure- good job Torres. As Zealous said though, where was he in the important games? Either on the bench or out on the pitch not contributing.

As I said, he deserves it as much as everyone on Spain does, but to say he contributed is an overstatement.
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Post by Adit Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:08 pm

Le Samourai wrote:
CBarca wrote:Torres scored 3 meaningless goals and had an assist. Seriously, did any of those goals change anything? No, Spain would have wooped Ireland anyway and the game was wrapped up against Italy. And then other than those 2 games he literally did nothing.

Woop de doo.

He was average at best. At least Arbeloa played all the games and played at least decently in all of them.

EDIT: I'm not saying Torres doesn't deserve it, he's a valuable member of the squad since he does provide the ultimate lulz but that doesn't change that he didn't do anything.

What do you want him to do though, score...

He plays, he scores, he plays well overall.

What did Villa do in 08, score 4 meaningless goals in the group stages, we would've won those matches without him anyway...we then proceed to play out best football of the tournament in the 2 matches without him , but I sure bet he wouldn't get half the grief.

Villa at 08 seriously?

still remember him scoring at 90 minute winner in group stages.

Besides that he was a starter and one of the best performers of that euro.
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Post by Le Samourai Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:10 pm

Henry scored a couple goals against Saudi Arabia and South Africa in the groups, give me a break.
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Post by Gil Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:10 pm

He basically ruined all their little s**ty jokes & crappy memes. So they can't take it.

Let it go mate.

Who cares if he didn't play as many minutes as he would have liked? He already played a prominent role in kick-starting Spain's dominance in the last European Championships.

If he started all six matches he probably would have doubled his tally. So why all the bitterness over Torres? It's getting pretty pathetic tbh.

He came in and did his job. Nuff said. Move the f**k on jesus christ.
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Post by Zealous Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:24 pm

I never made a single Torres meme or joke (maybe one or two eco smile) but come on are you serious?

Benched for Drogba wasn't even given a top 5 penalty slot against Bayern. Scored a goal against Barca and I was happy for him but take away his goal and Chelsea still go through.

Benched in almost every game in the Euros where VDB felt that playing without a striker was more productive (which ended up being the right thing to do). He contributed yes but it was minimal not just in level of preformance but actual minutes on the field.

All in all he did OK but anyone who thinks he was a worthy golden boot winner or that no one else could do what he did is having a laugh.

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Post by Blue Barrett Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:33 pm

Zealous wrote:I never made a single Torres meme or joke (maybe one or two eco smile) but come on are you serious?

Benched for Drogba wasn't even given a top 5 penalty slot against Bayern. Scored a goal against Barca and I was happy for him but take away his goal and Chelsea still go through.

Benched in almost every game in the Euros where VDB felt that playing without a striker was more productive (which ended up being the right thing to do). He contributed yes but it was minimal not just in level of preformance but actual minutes on the field.

All in all he did OK but anyone who thinks he was a worthy golden boot winner or that no one else could do what he did is having a laugh.

So he isn't worthy of the golden boot? That's a new one. Got to add that to the collection now, shouldn't we?
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Post by Zealous Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:40 pm

If it's your collection of accurate posts then yes.
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Post by Abramovich Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:19 pm

Zealous wrote:I never made a single Torres meme or joke (maybe one or two eco smile) but come on are you serious?

Benched for Drogba wasn't even given a top 5 penalty slot against Bayern. Scored a goal against Barca and I was happy for him but take away his goal and Chelsea still go through.

Benched in almost every game in the Euros where VDB felt that playing without a striker was more productive (which ended up being the right thing to do). He contributed yes but it was minimal not just in level of preformance but actual minutes on the field.

All in all he did OK but anyone who thinks he was a worthy golden boot winner or that no one else could do what he did is having a laugh.


It's something that's set in stone, if he was the one who met the criteria then he's the worthy winner.
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Post by Shed Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:21 am

The letter of the law says he fulfilled the criteria to win the award. If what he did was so easy to do, why did no one else do it? Surely any of these "better quality", "more deserving" winners could have scored a few of these "easy garbage" goals in addition to the allegedly boot-worthy earth-shattering ones they banged in to up their tallies, no?

And as far as him being "undeserving" of his FA Cup and Champions League medals, you bitter lot do realise he was our highest goalscorer in the FA Cup and highest assist-provider & joint second-highest goalscorer in the CL, despite playing a considerably reduced role in the latter, don't you?

Do try to come up with arguments that aren't effortlessly dismantled with a few simple facts and stats in the future. It might make your already flimsy arguments a little less fragile.
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Post by The Sanchez Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:32 am

At least Torres can score meanless goals... :coffee:
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Post by vizkosity Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:46 am

it's like broski fans against the rest
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Post by Lord Hades Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:53 am

a golden boot which was ultimately meaningless to his team!! what a GOAT
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