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Post by Guest Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:46 pm

Just got this on my facebook from my friend who is from Valencia:

sepp how are u ma friend? in your next tv program u should do a big campaign agaisnt barcelona. *bleep* bunch of ugly bastards. 2 days ago they *bleep* take away from valencia 3 players that are only 14 years old for free, and now they want to take the striker promise of valencia (paco alcacer) 17 years (u wil be able to see him in the london games, they are shit! *bleep* barcelona and amunt valencia


No wonder Spanish people outside of Catalunya hate them hmm

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Post by halamadrid2 Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:48 pm

La Masia farce exposed Laughing
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Post by jibers Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:59 am

Divine Intervention wrote:Is anyone surprised by thsi club anymore? They stole Messi, drugged him, they stole their whole philosophy from the dutch and they stole victories from their opponents. This makes Arsene look like a MILF lover ffs.

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Post by Art Morte Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:19 am

It is no good when players that young can be lured away by bigger clubs. As if the Spanish TV revenue sharing wasn't bad enough, that disparage goes right through to youth academies, too, it seems.
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Post by danyjr Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:40 am

1- Completely contrary to what the OP claims, every big team in the world can lure talents because of better status and higher wages.
2- England has advantages on signing professional contracts to individuals aged 16 or above while in the rest of EU and the world the age is 18.
3- Spanish sports TV rights are so ridiculously dispersed between teams that Barcelona and Real Madrid automatically get an astronomic financial advantage over other teams.
4- Teams like Manchester City, Chelsea, Real Madrid and Paris Saint-Germain are bigger threats to equality in football with the sort of money they spend.
5- Blame capitalism.
Schweini wrote:No wonder Spanish people outside of Catalunya hate them hmm
Just for reference and for people who do not know much about Spain, that statement is absolute bull.
Divine Intervention wrote:Is anyone surprised by thsi club anymore? They stole Messi, drugged him, they stole their whole philosophy from the dutch and they stole victories from their opponents. This makes Arsene look like a MILF lover ffs.
Stole Messi and drugged him? If it wasn't for Barcelona, you would never get to watch this man play. There are plenty of other things you can rightfully accuse Barcelona for, but not this. Unless you want to look like an idiot.
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How many of United's talents are originally from your youth academy?
David de Gea "stolen" from Atlético Madrid
Rafael "stolen" from Fluminese
Rio Ferdinand "stolen" from Leeds United
Nemanja Vidić "stolen" from Spartak Moskow
Patrice Evra "stolen" from Monaco
Tom Cleverley "stolen" from Bradford
Ashley Young "stolen" from West Ham
Wayne Rooney "stolen" from Everton
Michael Carrick "stolen" from West Ham
Nani "stolen" from Sporting CP
et al



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Post by Guest Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:43 am

danyjr wrote:1- Completely contrary to what the OP claims, every big team in the world can lure talents because of better status and higher wages.
2- England has advantages on signing professional contracts to individuals aged 16 or above while in the rest of EU and the world the age is 18.
3- Spanish sports TV rights are so ridiculously dispersed between teams that Barcelona and Real Madrid automatically get an astronomic financial advantage over other teams.
4- Teams like Manchester City, Chelsea, Real Madrid and Paris Saint-Germain are bigger threats to equality in football with the sort of money they spend.
5- Blame capitalism.
Schweini wrote:No wonder Spanish people outside of Catalunya hate them hmm
Just for reference and for people who do not know much about Spain, that statement is absolute bull.

I lived, and breathed with people from Valenia, Bosque, Madrid, Valladolid, Malaga, Cordoba, and Pamplona for 5 months. In the same building, every day.

and everyone of them hated Barcelona...except the 2 lads who were Catalans.

You are from Argentina ffs

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Post by danyjr Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:50 am

Wow, you should stop hanging out with racist people.
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Post by BigBadBen Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:51 am

danyjr wrote:Wow, you should stop hanging out with racist people.

:facepalm:

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Post by danyjr Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:55 am

Yeah, thought you wouldn't have a better response than that.
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Post by BigBadBen Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:56 am

danyjr wrote:Yeah, thought you wouldn't have a better response than that.

:facepalm:

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Post by Adit Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:04 am

danyjr wrote:Wow, you should stop hanging out with racist people.

hating barcelona is now Racism :bow:

Its actually a sign of affection in Uruguay.
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Post by danyjr Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:08 am

Schweini wrote:and everyone of them hated Barcelona...except the 2 lads who were Catalans.
If hating someone due to their culture/race isn't racism then good luck with life.
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Post by vivabarca38 Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:09 am





Its actually a sign of affection in Uruguay.[/quote]
This stopped being funny a while back.
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Post by TalkingReckless Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:09 am

danyjr wrote:
jibers wrote::bow:
How many of United's talents are originally from your youth academy?
David de Gea "stolen" from Atlético Madrid
Rafael "stolen" from Fluminese
Rio Ferdinand "stolen" from Leeds United
Nemanja Vidić "stolen" from Spartak Moskow
Patrice Evra "stolen" from Monaco
Tom Cleverley "stolen" from Bradford
Ashley Young "stolen" from West Ham
Wayne Rooney "stolen" from Everton
Michael Carrick "stolen" from West Ham
Nani "stolen" from Sporting CP
et al


It's not called stealing if you pay 10s of millions for each player...and none of those players expect Cleverley is considered a Man U talent

David de Gea "stolen" from Atlético Madrid (paid 17mil for 20 year gk)
Rafael "stolen" from Fluminese (3mil)
Rio Ferdinand "stolen" from Leeds United (30mil)
Nemanja Vidić "stolen" from Spartak Moskow (7mil)
Patrice Evra "stolen" from Monaco (5.5mil)
Tom Cleverley "stolen" from Bradford (when he was 11)
Ashley Young "stolen" from West Ham (15-20m to Aston Villa)
Wayne Rooney "stolen" from Everton (26mil)
Michael Carrick "stolen" from West Ham (14mil to Spurs)
Nani "stolen" from Sporting CP (25mil)


none of them were stolen Man U paid the fair if not overpaid for all their players

and none of them are Considered Man U youth/Talents


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Post by Guest Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:10 am

danyjr wrote:
Schweini wrote:and everyone of them hated Barcelona...except the 2 lads who were Catalans.
If hating someone due to their culture/race isn't racism then good luck with life.

Jesus. They hated them (especially the guys from Valencia) bcuz they thought Barca always bullies Valencia's academy and other teams. They hated Real too, but less so, as they believed at least they always pay the right price if they want someone and won't go sneaky through it.

I didn't agree with them, but that's what 90% of non-Catalan Spanish people I know believed in.

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Post by RedOranje Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:12 am

Schweini wrote:
danyjr wrote:1- Completely contrary to what the OP claims, every big team in the world can lure talents because of better status and higher wages.
2- England has advantages on signing professional contracts to individuals aged 16 or above while in the rest of EU and the world the age is 18.
3- Spanish sports TV rights are so ridiculously dispersed between teams that Barcelona and Real Madrid automatically get an astronomic financial advantage over other teams.
4- Teams like Manchester City, Chelsea, Real Madrid and Paris Saint-Germain are bigger threats to equality in football with the sort of money they spend.
5- Blame capitalism.
Schweini wrote:No wonder Spanish people outside of Catalunya hate them hmm
Just for reference and for people who do not know much about Spain, that statement is absolute bull.

I lived, and breathed with people from Valenia, Bosque, Madrid, Valladolid, Malaga, Cordoba, and Pamplona for 5 months. In the same building, every day.

and everyone of them hated Barcelona...except the 2 lads who were Catalans.

You are from Argentina ffs
You're from Canada, dany is from Europe, drop it for your own good.
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Post by windkick Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:04 am

So what I got out of this thread...we are getting Paco Alcacer? Where is the link? I just see some ones random facebook post

We have players stolen from our youth academy all the time, deal with it.

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Post by Swanhends Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:11 am

RedOranje wrote:
Schweini wrote:
danyjr wrote:1- Completely contrary to what the OP claims, every big team in the world can lure talents because of better status and higher wages.
2- England has advantages on signing professional contracts to individuals aged 16 or above while in the rest of EU and the world the age is 18.
3- Spanish sports TV rights are so ridiculously dispersed between teams that Barcelona and Real Madrid automatically get an astronomic financial advantage over other teams.
4- Teams like Manchester City, Chelsea, Real Madrid and Paris Saint-Germain are bigger threats to equality in football with the sort of money they spend.
5- Blame capitalism.
Schweini wrote:No wonder Spanish people outside of Catalunya hate them hmm
Just for reference and for people who do not know much about Spain, that statement is absolute bull.

I lived, and breathed with people from Valenia, Bosque, Madrid, Valladolid, Malaga, Cordoba, and Pamplona for 5 months. In the same building, every day.

and everyone of them hated Barcelona...except the 2 lads who were Catalans.

You are from Argentina ffs
You're from Canada, dany is from Europe, drop it for your own good.

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Post by Guest Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:42 am

Can I flop it out as well or is this a two person compare party?

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Post by billy_gr Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:16 am

So some boys choose Barca over Valencia is that right?
Or did Barca kidnapped them or something?
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Post by Guest Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:18 am

billy_gr wrote:So some boys choose Barca over Valencia is that right?
Or did Barca kidnapped them or something?

Those boys are home grown Valencians. Playing there since they were very young and Barca comes and offers them better facility + money +


This mate of mine used to play for Valencua u-16 6-7 years ago and he played against Thiago...and punched him during a game Very Happy He showed me the pics, it was hilarious

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Post by billy_gr Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:26 am

I understand but this is the world of football. It’s no more “illegal” than Arsenal luring players from la Masia etc.
If the club wants to secure its players they should do something about it. And maybe the homegrowns should feel a little more connected to their home team. Other than that I think every big club does that at some point. No need to exaggerate no matter how the “evil Barca” is the last 4 years hype Smile
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Post by guest7 Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:09 pm

Double standards :coffee:

Wenger "kidnapped" Cesc, but Barcelona fans thinks this is a fair deal :coffee:

AKA double standards and Wenger is officially a MILF lover :coffee:
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Post by The Franchise Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:29 pm

The only double standards here are people complaining about this.

Barca are the ones to complain about this issue, more so than anyone else.




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Post by Guest Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:34 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Alc%C3%A1cer

I understand their frustration. Their club has gone through hell lately, trying to get rid of debt, lost their stars...and now that they are prdocing quality players within their own academy, they get poached by big guns.

It's easy for us to sit here and say, well that's football. it happens. But when you support team of your city, attend every single home game, and go to most European Away games, it creates a much stronger connection with the team that even the relatively small stuff like this drives you mad.

Still, Nou Mestalla is expected to be ready in 1.5 years, so hopefully that'll help them grow.

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