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Post by Kingofeverythingclassy Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:10 pm

Kizu wrote:
Kingofeverythingclassy wrote:Huntelaar was playing with a broken nose & we played Babel & Kuyt in the wings & Sneijder was off key,Braafheid ws LB,the match was played in Germany & it was friendly.

This is not Schalke. Huntelaar will have Sneijder & if Robben choses to be a Team player then Robben. Those are Top Quality Supports.

Other than that I think if you want to play Hunter,play to his strengths. He needs a Winger who can provide him crosses. Either Narsingh of Kuyt has to play or Robben has to play at LW & told to cross.

Because Huntelaar is absolute beast aerially & 8 out of 10 he would easily beat Badstuber & Hummels. But we dont play ANY aerial plays,or hardly any.

I dont know what Bert will do. He has promised attacking football. We score or we concede. We are pushed to a wall. There is no escape now. To be sure,we need 2 wins.

Ohh & if they win we loose be out if Portugal beat Denmark. In that case Germany might win all 3 & if we beat Portugal 3 teams might be on 3 Points & GD will matter.

Anyways RVP must not play as ST. If he plays,there is no chance. We are not talking about Hummels' Dortmund which is rubbish in European Competitions. This is German NT. RVP can play LW or RW but Hunter has to start as ST. We need Goals.

I hope Mark Van Bommel is sacrificed,but being Captain & Bert's son-in-law he will 100% Law. I still feel we need Strootman. *Bleep* You Bert for not selecting Clasie. *You killed a "Golden" Generation*

Germany didn't have Lahm and Schweinsteiger.

We missed Van Persie,Robben,Van Der Vaart,Afellay, Sneijder had an injury & Hunterlaar played with a broken nose.

And its accepted fact that Germany have far Superior Depth. Schweni is not much a loss as this season after his 1st injury he has been consistently average & Kroos has been better. So Kroos playing was probably an advantage.

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Post by Kingofeverythingclassy Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:17 pm

donttreadonred wrote:Two ideas on the Dutch lineup against Germany...

First of all, Van Persie had a bad game against Denmark. He wasted a few chances that he would have buried for Arsenal. That doesn't make him a poor player. He looked rusty (hard to imagine with the season only ending several weeks ago, but a tournament and a season are very different competitions). Dropping him completely would be a mistake. He's a more complete player than Huntelaar, and can bring other aspects to the Dutch game than the more traditional target man. Playing RVP on the LW instead of Afellay has its advantages. Afellay didn't have a brilliant showing against Denmark, either. He seemed to lack the cutting edge he had in the warm-ups and really showed the large gulf in class between the likes of Denmark, Germany and Portugal and Northern Ireland and Slovakia. Let him be a potential impact sub, coming off the bench if needed. RVP for Arsenal would receive the ball in all sorts of attacking areas, and he could make opportunities for other players making late runs. He also has a decent cross in him, making him a viable option to play with Huntelaar.

Another option is to keep Afellay on the LW, play RVP behind Huntelaar as a deeper striker/AM (where Sneijder played against Denmark), and play Sneijder as a CM alongside Van Bommel. This is a risky formation, as it sacrifices a positionally disciplined DM for a traditional CAM accustomed to a free role. With Holland's already shaky defense, this has the potential to fail spectacularly. However, it has the advantage of putting your most creative and dangerous attacking personnel on the field together. It might just be worth the risk. The Dutch essentially have to win out to secure a place in the knockout stages. With this in mind, it makes sense to "go for broke" and run out what is likely the most intimidating attacking lineup in the tournament.

My Problem with RVP & I hope you understand this since you are an Arsenal fan is that he drops way too deep,sometimes as a cover for LB sometimes at DM against a team like Denmark when we dont need it. That makes it a 4-6-0 Formation & Sneijder getting into threatening positions has no one to pass the ball. That & since Huntelaar is a brilliant Header,it adds variety to the attack.

My reaction for hating RVP was probably because of the massive over-rating by the English Media building his as some sort of saviour. Its safe to say he dissapointed inside the box,however his link-up play,partically with Robben & Sneijder were excellent.

Sneijder as DLP is being talked about a lot. You saw that past for Huntelaar,Sneijder has the best long passes in World Football,5 Star Quality. But Sneijder at a DM kinda role will make the defensive unstable. But if a victory is a must,that has to be taken.

Say at 50th minute if it is 0-0. There can be no playing safe this is a must win match. I think RVP at RW will be better since Van Der Weil does not overlap & Robben being left footed is stranded 1 vs 2 & that makes it very predictable. He played on the left against England & was great & it allows him to whip in crosses for Huntelaar. Having 2 Inverted wingers is bad for Hunter.

Hunter is not a Link Up ST,that is why I mentioned Kuyt because he is a good crosser.

If a 1 DM formation had to be tried. It has to De Jong & not a Super slow & Useless Van Bommel against a fast & creative Ozil. Last day Mark,who was out of gas after 80 minutes should have been subbed out & not De Jong.

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Post by VivaStPauli Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:46 pm

BeamsvilleGooner wrote:How can you say easy win? Consider the strength of the Dutch attack, who admittedly looked very "normal" yesterday. I predicted Germany to win the Euros, but this could easily be a low-scoring draw. I don't think it would be a HUGE upset either, if they win. Maybe a slight edge to Germany, but only slight.

Don't take him too seriously, he's a very emotional poster.


I stick by what I said: I got a bad feeling about this, the Dutch looked better losing than we did winning.
BUT: all the relevant factors point to a slight advantage for Germany. The Dutch are forced to attack, we can sit back and counter, and we're the better team on paper. Holland have displayed much better chemistry than us, so let's wait and see.

There certainly won't be anything easy about that match.
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Post by VanDeezNuts Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:32 pm

must win situations can really change a team and since this is must win for us who knows the pressure will be very high i just want to see a good game and hope for the best.

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Post by vizkosity Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:28 am

i want holland to win it, so portugal can get knocked out if holland wins again
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Post by The Sanchez Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:39 am

Germany has the greatest goalkeeper in Neuer. Brilliant GK and can easily be the greatest. Brilliant diver!
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Post by Babun Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:52 am

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Post by VivaStPauli Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:59 am

vizkosity wrote:i want holland to win it, so portugal can get knocked out if holland wins again

Portugal is getting knocked out by losing to Denmark, don't sweat it.
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Post by Babun Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:01 am

If Germany and Denmark win their respective matches the group stage will be over for the other two eco smile
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Post by VivaStPauli Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:08 pm

Exactly. TBH I always had Denmark down to win against Portugal, I just didn't expect them to win against Holland, I think I predicted a draw there.

It's not done and dusted, though, Portugal looked quite strong against us, and might just win against Denmark, and the Dutch actually played a lot better than we did, so both of those matches will be tough.
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Post by donttreadonred Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:28 pm

Kingofeverythingclassy wrote:My Problem with RVP & I hope you understand this since you are an Arsenal fan is that he drops way too deep,sometimes as a cover for LB sometimes at DM against a team like Denmark when we dont need it. That makes it a 4-6-0 Formation & Sneijder getting into threatening positions has no one to pass the ball. That & since Huntelaar is a brilliant Header,it adds variety to the attack.

My reaction for hating RVP was probably because of the massive over-rating by the English Media building his as some sort of saviour. Its safe to say he dissapointed inside the box,however his link-up play,partically with Robben & Sneijder were excellent.

Sneijder as DLP is being talked about a lot. You saw that past for Huntelaar,Sneijder has the best long passes in World Football,5 Star Quality. But Sneijder at a DM kinda role will make the defensive unstable. But if a victory is a must,that has to be taken.

Say at 50th minute if it is 0-0. There can be no playing safe this is a must win match. I think RVP at RW will be better since Van Der Weil does not overlap & Robben being left footed is stranded 1 vs 2 & that makes it very predictable. He played on the left against England & was great & it allows him to whip in crosses for Huntelaar. Having 2 Inverted wingers is bad for Hunter.

Hunter is not a Link Up ST,that is why I mentioned Kuyt because he is a good crosser.

If a 1 DM formation had to be tried. It has to De Jong & not a Super slow & Useless Van Bommel against a fast & creative Ozil. Last day Mark,who was out of gas after 80 minutes should have been subbed out & not De Jong.
First of all, I'm certainly no Arsenal fan, but I do rate Van Persie highly. Not because he is a stereotypical striker, but because he can play nearly any position in attack and be one of the most dangerous attackers in the world on his day. That said, you are certainly correct about his positional discipline, or lack thereof. He’s used to having a VERY free role at Arsenal, and this makes him prone to dropping deeper if he doesn’t feel like he’s getting service. He does this to try to get into the game and force the issue, but you are correct in your assessment that it cuts the head off of the Dutch attack. In that case, you are correct to want Huntelaar up top as he is the prototypical “predator in the box” striker. That’s why I think Van Persie alongside/slightly deeper than Huntelaar could work.

As you mention, Sneijder can be one of the best long-passers in World Football. That was the reasoning behind my suggestion of him as a deeper play maker (Xabi Alonso) role. England are taking a similar approach with Gerrard this tournament. He’s being played as a more traditional CM, instead of his usual CAM. I understand they’re not exactly the same type of player (and I tend to rate Gerrard’s defending a little higher), but it’s the first example that comes to mind. Your concerns of defensive instability are valid, and I believe I mentioned something about it being capable of failing spectacularly. The point of that lineup would be to force the issue by putting your best attacking players on the pitch if the Dutch are in a position where they’re chasing a match or need to score. (I don’t need to remind you that winning out is effectively the only way they will advance at this point.)

The Dutch really need Van Bommel to turn the clock back a few years for the next couple of games. De Jong is a good DM, but he’s very limited in his attacking and passing abilities. He’s almost solely a destroyer on the pitch, winning the ball and making the short pass to Sneijder/Van Boommel/etc. In the typical Dutch setup with 4 attackers ahead of him and Van Bommel, he performs his job of sitting deeper to shield the defense very well, and it is probably even more important this tournament. However, if they’re chasing a game and need to add creativity, he’s likely to be subbed out first. Against Denmark, he had barely seen the ball in the first 60 minutes. I had expected him to come off from half-time.

As a Liverpool supporter, I’m a huge fan of Kuyt’s and he certainly performs some roles very well. However, he’s not the best crosser of the ball. He also doesn’t have a great first touch. The advantage of Kuyt comes in his willingness to track back and win the ball, as well as his knack for getting into good positions in the final third. Until this season, he had been the player for Liverpool who regularly got those “sloppy” goals in the box. (I would refer you to the game at Anfield against ManU in the 2010-2011 season. He scored a hat-trick of tap-ins. I would be more likely to play him with RVP upfront than Huntelaar, because Huntelaar tends to perform that role when he is on the pitch.
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Post by Onyx Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:30 pm

Sneijder offers more than DLP, he's fine at AM imo.

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Post by aleumdance Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:11 pm

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9gaga has been making some funny dutch jokes lately
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Post by leemhuis Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:37 pm

I don't know, there is the usual sniping and there is a threat of a player revolt. Our players have always been too independent argue with manager. If our players would behave more like the Germans we would have won much more in history.
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Post by VivaStPauli Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:41 pm

BTW if Netherlands beat Germany
Denmark beat Portugal
and then Germany beats Denmark
and Netherlands beat Portugal...

...and they all have the same goal difference... Would the universe implode?
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Post by The Messiah Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:49 pm

VivaStPauli wrote:BTW if Netherlands beat Germany
Denmark beat Portugal
and then Germany beats Denmark
and Netherlands beat Portugal...

...and they all have the same goal difference... Would the universe implode?

How about if

Portugal beat Denmark 1:0
Holland beat Germany 1:0
and then Germany draw with Denmark 1:1
and Holland draws with Portugal. 1:1


What will happen....?
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Post by leemhuis Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:57 pm

Ok, enough pessimism. Portugal played as well as Germany and it probably should have been a draw. We are better than Portugal on an average day. We had a very bad day against Denmark and Denmark may be better than most thinks.
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Post by donttreadonred Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:24 am

leemhuis wrote:Ok, enough pessimism. Portugal played as well as Germany and it probably should have been a draw. We are better than Portugal on an average day. We had a very bad day against Denmark and Denmark may be better than most thinks.
True. The problem is football isn't played in a vacuum. You never know how Portugal will react to a "bad" defeat (i.e. Portugal played well and conceded a somewhat sloppy goal late on). You never know how a lucky win will affect Germany (confidence or complacency). You never know how an upset victory will affect Denmark (spur them to more good performances, or make them over confident).

The Dutch squad has the quality to get out of this group and possibly even win it. They had a bad performance, gave up a soft goal, and failed to gel in the final third. In any other group, it might not even be a big concern. The problem is that they are facing two more teams ranked in the top 10 in the world. They could beat both Germany and Portugal. It's just going to be extremely difficult. Likewise, it's not unthinkable for Denmark to get a victory in the next two games. They could even win both. (Highly unlikely, but not out of the realm of possibility.) It's not over, but the Dutch have an uphill climb. Any sort of discontent on the training ground certainly isn't helping their cause. It would be a shame if VDV and whoever else is upset ruined this tournament in the way Evra and Anelka ruined South Africa for the French.
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Post by Kingofeverythingclassy Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:49 am

I am not liking this revolt noises anyway. Of all the people who should start Rafa is the least deserving. If Hunter after scoring 48 goals in 47 matches in a season behind 3rd behind Messi & Ronaldo can keep quiet,VDV has no business doing what he is.

I dont like Bert,I hate his squad selections,his team selections are not up to my liking & his subs are a dud & way too late. But this is not acceptable from VDV,trying to create a mutiny

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Post by II Capitano Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:04 am

Huntelaar deserves to start ahead of van Persie anyway, he suits the system much better and is a pure striker, he offers that extra body in the box, whereas van Persie drops deep and his movement comes into question when he plays for the Oranje. Ideally, playing them both would do no harm. Shame that this Dutch side is filled up by big egos: Sneijder, van der Vaart, van Persie and Robben.
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Post by Kingofeverythingclassy Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:14 am

donttreadonred wrote:
Kingofeverythingclassy wrote:My Problem with RVP & I hope you understand this since you are an Arsenal fan is that he drops way too deep,sometimes as a cover for LB sometimes at DM against a team like Denmark when we dont need it. That makes it a 4-6-0 Formation & Sneijder getting into threatening positions has no one to pass the ball. That & since Huntelaar is a brilliant Header,it adds variety to the attack.

My reaction for hating RVP was probably because of the massive over-rating by the English Media building his as some sort of saviour. Its safe to say he dissapointed inside the box,however his link-up play,partically with Robben & Sneijder were excellent.

Sneijder as DLP is being talked about a lot. You saw that past for Huntelaar,Sneijder has the best long passes in World Football,5 Star Quality. But Sneijder at a DM kinda role will make the defensive unstable. But if a victory is a must,that has to be taken.

Say at 50th minute if it is 0-0. There can be no playing safe this is a must win match. I think RVP at RW will be better since Van Der Weil does not overlap & Robben being left footed is stranded 1 vs 2 & that makes it very predictable. He played on the left against England & was great & it allows him to whip in crosses for Huntelaar. Having 2 Inverted wingers is bad for Hunter.

Hunter is not a Link Up ST,that is why I mentioned Kuyt because he is a good crosser.

If a 1 DM formation had to be tried. It has to De Jong & not a Super slow & Useless Van Bommel against a fast & creative Ozil. Last day Mark,who was out of gas after 80 minutes should have been subbed out & not De Jong.
First of all, I'm certainly no Arsenal fan, but I do rate Van Persie highly. Not because he is a stereotypical striker, but because he can play nearly any position in attack and be one of the most dangerous attackers in the world on his day. That said, you are certainly correct about his positional discipline, or lack thereof. He’s used to having a VERY free role at Arsenal, and this makes him prone to dropping deeper if he doesn’t feel like he’s getting service. He does this to try to get into the game and force the issue, but you are correct in your assessment that it cuts the head off of the Dutch attack. In that case, you are correct to want Huntelaar up top as he is the prototypical “predator in the box” striker. That’s why I think Van Persie alongside/slightly deeper than Huntelaar could work.

As you mention, Sneijder can be one of the best long-passers in World Football. That was the reasoning behind my suggestion of him as a deeper play maker (Xabi Alonso) role. England are taking a similar approach with Gerrard this tournament. He’s being played as a more traditional CM, instead of his usual CAM. I understand they’re not exactly the same type of player (and I tend to rate Gerrard’s defending a little higher), but it’s the first example that comes to mind. Your concerns of defensive instability are valid, and I believe I mentioned something about it being capable of failing spectacularly. The point of that lineup would be to force the issue by putting your best attacking players on the pitch if the Dutch are in a position where they’re chasing a match or need to score. (I don’t need to remind you that winning out is effectively the only way they will advance at this point.)

The Dutch really need Van Bommel to turn the clock back a few years for the next couple of games. De Jong is a good DM, but he’s very limited in his attacking and passing abilities. He’s almost solely a destroyer on the pitch, winning the ball and making the short pass to Sneijder/Van Boommel/etc. In the typical Dutch setup with 4 attackers ahead of him and Van Bommel, he performs his job of sitting deeper to shield the defense very well, and it is probably even more important this tournament. However, if they’re chasing a game and need to add creativity, he’s likely to be subbed out first. Against Denmark, he had barely seen the ball in the first 60 minutes. I had expected him to come off from half-time.

As a Liverpool supporter, I’m a huge fan of Kuyt’s and he certainly performs some roles very well. However, he’s not the best crosser of the ball. He also doesn’t have a great first touch. The advantage of Kuyt comes in his willingness to track back and win the ball, as well as his knack for getting into good positions in the final third. Until this season, he had been the player for Liverpool who regularly got those “sloppy” goals in the box. (I would refer you to the game at Anfield against ManU in the 2010-2011 season. He scored a hat-trick of tap-ins. I would be more likely to play him with RVP upfront than Huntelaar, because Huntelaar tends to perform that role when he is on the pitch.


The Van Bommel part I cant agree. If Oranje has to play 1 DM,he better be a Defensive Beast considering how average the defense is. Van Bommel is 35,way too slow & static & he barely covers the field. De Jong atleast can cover a lot of ground,never mind his passing abilities. And Mark stays way too deep to make a huge difference attackingly.

Ozil,Muller they are all very quick. If in addition Germany bring Reus or Schurle it will get very VERY difficult. Mark will get destroyed due to his lack of speed.

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Post by Divine Intervention Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:03 am

Dutch are toast! Say bye bye to Euros tomorrow.

Neuer's interview
team.dfb.de: Manuel, the second part of the French Open final is under way as we speak. You’re a great tennis fan yourself. Who do you keep your fingers crossed for, Rafael Nadal or Novak Djokovic?

Manuel Neuer: Djokovic, actually. I quite like the way he plays and how he presents himself off the court.

team.dfb.de: You used to be tennis player yourself. What was your style? Like Djokovic, with a powerful drive and attack on your mind? Or like Nadal?

Neuer: Neither of them are defensive players. True, Rafa is essentially a base-liner and doesn’t often come up to the net, but he knows how to dominate a match. The difference between the two is that perhaps there’s a little more variation to Djokovic’s game.

team.dfb.de: You dropped tennis at the age of fourteen – a difficult decision to take?

Neuer: Absolutely, but the dual burden of football and tennis was simply getting too much: on weekday afternoons, I went to two trainings, first football, then tennis, and on weekends I played football in the morning and turned up late for tennis later in the day, so I could only play doubles. It was getting too difficult to reconcile the two, so eventually I made the cut.

team.dfb.de: Was this a conscious kind of career move? Because you had a feeling that football would get you further?

Neuer: Calling it a "career move" would be taking it too far. It was just that sport was getting in the way of school, which I definitely didn’t mind as much as my parents did (laughs). They told me it was better for me to drop tennis. At the time I resented that, but today I’m grateful they made me do it.

team.dfb.de: Do you sometimes miss playing tennis?

Neuer: Oh, I do play once in a while, with friends or team-mates.

team.dfb.de: Any serious opponent?

Neuer: Oliver Bierhoff is said to be quite good, Andreas Köpke knows what a racket and ball are for, and Philipp Lahm is quite a good player.

team.dfb.de: From tennis to football. You became a goalkeeper, and quite a good one at that! You just need to read the papers after the Portugal match…

Neuer: I know how to rate my own performances. And anyway, what really counts for me is what my coaches and goalkeeper coaches tell me, not articles in the press. We analyse matches together, discussing whether I could or should have done things differently in given situations, whether I did or didn’t make the right choices. In the game against Portugal, I was not constantly tested…

team.dfb.de: Yes, but Ronaldo’s shot at goal in the 81st minute was not easy to stop, was it?

Neuer: Correct, but before that there were some pretty difficult set-pieces, where I had a hard time getting a hand to the ball, or swerved-in corner-kicks I could only fist away. Ronaldo’s was actually the first “real” shot at goal. It’s not easy for a keeper to have to wait so long for the first tricky ball.

team.dfb.de: In the 87th minute, Silvestre Varela appeared unmarked in front of goal - how hard was it to stop him from scoring?

Neuer: The hardest thing was that the situation should have been defused much earlier; I mean Ronaldo was lucky to be given a chance to lay that ball back at all. But as a goalie you’ve got to expect the unexpected, and I automatically tried to narrow down the angle, forcing Varela wide. His shot went where it really hurts – but that did not matter to me. The ball didn’t go in, full stop.

team.dfb.de: Would you say this is one of the things you had to get used to at FC Bayern – only rarely being in the thick of things but still having to concentrate 100 percent at all times?

Neuer: Yes, I really had to get used to that. While there had been matches like that with Schalke or with the national team, in my pre-Munich days there were very few occasions where I had practically nothing to do! In the first half of the Bundesliga season, for example, there were a great number of matches where I didn’t have to intervene at all until very late in the game.

team.dfb.de: In a nutshell – anybody can do great saves, but real class…

Neuer: I’d rather continue this phrase by saying ‘but the real challenge is for a goalkeeper to keep a clean sheet even if for 89 minutes you’ve had nothing to do.’ Believe it or not, I prefer it that way, ‘cause this means your own team dominates play big-time, doesn’t it?

team.dfb.de: Comparing the situation now with your first World Cup match in South Africa against Australia – has anything changed for you?

Neuer: Personally, I don’t think I’ve changed. What has is my status, my internal standing if you like. What I say carries more weight now, that’s the greatest difference. As far as my goalkeeping is concerned, I keep trying to project confidence and security and, if possible, assist with build-up play by speeding things up.

team.dfb.de: Do you keep an eye on how and where your team-mates are positioned, where on the pitch Germany might be numerically superior? For example, if the opposition take a corner, are you checking where our own strikers or midfielders are?

Neuer: There is no cut-and-dried answer to that question. In some situations I just know that a quick, long throw just won’t be called for, so all I do is concentrate on catching or parrying the ball. Having said that, the qualifying match against Turkey was a wonderful counter-example: from the corner of my eye I saw that their left-back was standing so out of position that I just had to throw the ball to Thomas Müller who was hovering up front. From there to Mario Gomez scoring was a matter of seconds. As a goalkeeper I always think about developing the game further. But the key thought will always be to have the ball and secure it. That’s my prime obligation, everything else is just a nice-to-have item.

team.dfb.de: How do you think will "modern" goalkeeping look like in 30 years’ time?

Neuer: I don’t think there will be any far-reaching changes at all. We might see keepers moving even further up-field, say 25-30 meters away from goal, to receive and distribute balls, just as I do sometimes. But I don’t think we’ll ever be some kind of 11th field player, dribbling or getting involved in offensive play.

team.dfb.de: Let’s preview Wednesday’s match against the Netherlands. You have special ties to our neighbours, haven’t you?

Neuer: Yes, I grew up in Gelsenkirchen-Buer, in the heart of (the German federal state of) North-Rhine-Westphalia, so we didn’t have far to drive to the Dutch border. In fact, quite often we went there on holiday, to the island of Ameland for example, which was a popular destination for our parish youth group. Sun and sand, lots of football, three weeks of bliss! But talking of ties to the Netherlands, don’t forget the Dutch team-mates I’ve had – quite a lot of them at Schalke, and now of course there’s Arjen Robben at FC Bayern.

team.dfb.de: Your fan’s take on the sporting rivalry between the two neighbouring nations?

Neuer: I can still remember playing in an Under-16 youth exhibition match in the Schalke Parkstadion just before a Germany vs. Netherlands international. And it became apparent to me that for players and fans on either side, such matches are something special.

team.dfb.de: Tell us something about Manuel Neuer the supporter. Back then, were you true to your level-headed self or rather the hot-blooded type?

Neuer: The former, to be honest. But the beauty of it is, football supporters are one of a kind, no matter whether you’ve got a degree or have barely made it to C-levels, are rich or poor, young or old. It’s a world with no hierarchies, where social status doesn’t mean anything. But I wasn’t much of ring leader or anything whipping up the crowd, I just went with the flow.

team.dfb.de: The Netherlands have a superb attacking force, with Robbie van Persie and Klaas-Jan Huntelaar top scorers in their respective leagues –are you looking forward to what promises to be a special challenge?

Neuer: Sure, we are fully aware of that, but that apart, I’m just looking forward to meeting the Dutch in a tournament context.
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Post by VivaStPauli Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:52 am

Anyone got a more believable (maybe even Dutch?) source for this:
http://www.goal.com/en/news/2898/euro-2012/2012/06/12/3167434/van-der-vaart-germany-only-have-three-good-players

Made me laugh quite a bit, but this seems so retarded to say, that I strongly suspect goal.com made half of it up, or left a lot of context out of those quotes, maybe mistranslated something...

Sure VDV has been in England for a while, but he's been playing for Spurs, not the Sun...
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Post by Le Samourai Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:54 am

FFS Netherlands must win.

We need to see VDV contra Ibra in the next round....
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Post by Kingofeverythingclassy Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:58 am

VDV is a douche. He is leading a revolt against Bert. I hate Bert but this is not the way too go. Cant confirm or deny this article,will check more. He's talking out of his a**.


VDV IMO was the most talented CAM in the last 10-12 years but wasted his talent because he was lazy bum who never had the hunger to improve like Sneijder,far less talented had. At this point I cant wait for the Euros to wait over so that old useless people like VDV are said GoodBye to once & forever.

But yes its Goal.com,so furthur check is needed on what he said and on what context & how much Goal.com made up

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Post by VivaStPauli Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:59 am

That's why I asked before I start to make fun of VDV; this just sounds too ridiculous to be true.
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