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Post by Adit Thu May 24, 2012 10:03 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-18175964
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A Pakistani doctor who helped the CIA find Osama Bin Laden has been jailed for at least 30 years, officials say.

Shakil Afridi was charged with treason for running a fake vaccination programme to gather information.

The US secretary of state Hillary Clinton had called for his release on the grounds that his work served Pakistani and American interests.

Bin Laden was killed by US forces in the north-western city of Abbottabad in May 2011.

The killing triggered a rift between the US and Pakistan, whose government was seriously embarrassed to find Bin Laden had been living in Pakistan.

Islamabad felt the covert US operation was a violation of its sovereignty.

Shortly after the raid on Bin Laden's house, Dr Afridi was arrested for conspiring against the state of Pakistan.

Pakistan has insisted that any country would have done the same if it found one of its citizens working for a foreign spy agency.

Dr Afridi has been found guilty under the tribal justice system in Khyber district, and has also been fined $3,500.

If he does not pay the fine his prison sentence will be extended by a further three years.

Dr Afridi was not present in court so was unable to give his side of the story.

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The BBC's Aleem Maqbool in Islamabad says that many outside observers are concerned that most of the people detained since Bin Laden's killing have been those who were trying to help capture him, rather than those who helped shield him.

It is not clear if Dr Afridi knew who the target of the investigation was when the CIA recruited him, or what DNA he managed to collect in the fake hepatitis B vaccination programme.

The idea was to obtain a blood sample from one of the children living in the Abbottabad compound, so that DNA tests could determine whether or not they were relatives of Bin Laden, our correspondent says.

US Defense secretary Leon Panetta confirmed in January that Dr Afridi collected samples for the US and he spoke to the CBS television programme "60 minutes" about the case.

He said Dr Afridi "was not in any way treasonous towards Pakistan... for them to take this kind of action against somebody who was helping to go after terrorism, I just think is a real mistake on their part".

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In other words,no body fights against Terrorism.
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Post by Lord Hades Thu May 24, 2012 10:16 am

''Pakistan has insisted that any country would have done the same if it found one of its citizens working for a foreign spy agency.''

well this line seems appropriate but come on , this isnt like the Cold War. USA and Pakistan are allies, USA for all their faults here are just trying to rid pakistan of terrorism . and this is Osama Bin Laden , the most wanted guy in the world , who masterminded the deaths of so many .

And this guy helped US find Bin Laden , dont think h e should be punished..

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Post by Adit Thu May 24, 2012 10:19 am

Exactly, Pak and USA are allies and The guys is fraking OBL.

Again,we all know what would have happened if Dr.Afridi informed Pakistan and not USA.
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Post by Forza Thu May 24, 2012 12:54 pm

This guy is a hero and is being punished for it.
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Post by BeautifulGame Thu May 24, 2012 6:09 pm

Dr Afridi has been found guilty under the tribal justice system in Khyber district, and has also been fined $3,500.

If he does not pay the fine his prison sentence will be extended by a further three years.

Dr Afridi was not present in court so was unable to give his side of the story.

What a retarted justice system.Doesnt even give accused a chance to defend himself.

Not really a surprise in Pakistan though.They will go any length to defend terrorists.
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Post by TalkingReckless Thu May 24, 2012 7:24 pm

Thats just how my country works...

we have a PM who is convicted by the Supreme Court on Contempt of Court, who won't step down

and Btw currently Pakistan and US aren't allies, as the NATO and US still hasn't apologized for attacks on the Pakistan Army which killed 24 soilders

and Pakistan has blocked all Nato Supply routes and are asking for payment for the transport and apology from US.

Then there are extremists in Pakistan who still support OBL and others who just hate US
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Post by El Chelsea Fuerte Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:23 am

His sentence reduced to 23 years now (originally 33 years).

US y u betray him? Sad

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Post by Nishankly Sun Mar 16, 2014 9:54 am

US are stupid fools ffs, fcking sponsor Pak so that they can keep our men in uniform for stupid reasons.
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Post by El Chelsea Fuerte Sun Mar 16, 2014 4:05 pm

Nishank wrote:US are stupid fools ffs, fcking sponsor Pak so that they can keep our men in uniform for stupid reasons.

Well it serves the US well to maintain conflict in that region. Maybe one day India will be a superpower and can then bully USA :coffee:

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Post by RedOranje Sun Mar 16, 2014 4:09 pm

No, it really doesn't. The US gains nothing significant from instability in the region and would find it notably more beneficial to have a stable and productive Middle East, North Africa, and India/Pakistan region... which is why the US is so involved in that area. Unfortunately most of the US's efforts have been marred by incompetence and a lack of understanding of the culture and history of the region.
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Post by che Sun Mar 16, 2014 4:46 pm

@RedOranje wrote:No, it really doesn't.  The US gains nothing significant from instability in the region

except the billions in weapons sold to both sides... and seeing as the us government is owned by the military industrial complex it's a pretty safe assumption there are gains to be made

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/American-arms-company-refuses-to-supply-guns-to-Pakistan/articleshow/28462326.cms sales to both sides...

http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/04/18/usa-india-weapons-idINDEE93H0F220130418

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Post by RedOranje Sun Mar 16, 2014 4:54 pm

Except that you're basing your entire analysis on some rather extraordinary assumptions and basic biases, not the least of which being that the US gains more from arms sale than it loses through other trade and energy, and that the US is only party that matters and/or has the ability to influence the situation.
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Post by che Sun Mar 16, 2014 5:02 pm

@RedOranje wrote:Except that you're basing your entire analysis on some rather extraordinary assumptions and basic biases, not the least of which being that the US gains more from arms sale than it loses through other trade and energy

why would the us lose anything in other trade? it's not a full-scale war, both economies are fully functioning, it's just using fearmongering to profit from an arms race

and that the US is only party that matters and/or has the ability to influence the situation.

nobody said that
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Post by Adit Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:32 am

US sells weapons for both Pakistan and India..when you look at the size of both armies of these nations (10th best and 4th best respectively) you will know the extent of money involved. It also hinders the Indian economy which is kind of looking to explode.

One of the main reason for Indai pak conflict is the kargil area, which is currently occupied by both China,Pakistan and India (pakistan sold their land to china ) . Kargil is a strategically important area for the entire of Asia as it is probably the best place for missile propagation and Army base in the region.US wants to make sure it does not end up with China,India or Taliban.

If peace is all US wants then how come US send their ships to help Pakistan in the 1971 war?
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Post by Nishankly Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:37 am

I think the place you are talking about is Siachen, Adit.

Kargil area is completely different and China doesnt give much shit about it.

Siachen on the other hand is the goldmine.
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Post by Adit Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:40 am

yeah, i meant Kashmir not kargil.
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Post by Nishankly Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:45 am

Kashmir isnt exactly correct either, Pakistan wants the mostly the northern ( Strategic) and western ( where Muslims are dominant ) part of Kashmir. Kargil, Dras, Leh, Poonch, Rajouri etc

China wants the Eastern part of Kashmir ie Siachen.

And we want all of it including K2 region we lost in the 47 war.

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Post by Guest Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:19 pm

Doctor stepped out of bounds with this. Will make it harder for religious people to trust vaccinations which are needed now.

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Post by El Chelsea Fuerte Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:16 pm

Betty La Fea wrote:Doctor stepped out of bounds with this. Will make it harder for religious people to trust vaccinations which are needed now.

Why religious people in particular? If you aren't a terrorist, the USA probably doesn't want to kill you and thus you don't have to fear giving anything away as a result of vaccination.

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Post by Le Samourai Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:36 pm

Would the World be better off with one big, united Islamic superpower?
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Post by El Chelsea Fuerte Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:40 pm

@Le Samourai wrote:Would the World be better off with one big, united Islamic superpower?

No it would be just as worse Laughing

But what does that have to do with this  scratch 

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Post by Nishankly Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:42 pm

I dont think so. The huge super power might not be secular, It might not be democratic, At the end of the day which ever party comes into power will favor laws in terms of their voters.

Sunni Shia violence are still happening in so many smaller countries.
It wont help. It's easier this way that they have their own countries, So they can handle conflicts better.

You could just end up having a civil war inside the superpower.
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Post by Le Samourai Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:06 pm

@El Chelsea Fuerte wrote:
@Le Samourai wrote:Would the World be better off with one big, united Islamic superpower?

No it would be just as worse Laughing

But what does that have to do with this  scratch 

Absolutely nothing Laughing

Was just thinking about it really, was studying the Abbasid Caliphate recently.

The advantage would be that foreign powers, assuming they had all the neccessary elements of a superpower, nuclear weapons in particular, would just have to stay the hell out of the region.

I'm not sure I have a problem with a non-secular goverment. I mean, maybe that's just not their culture, not the way their states were meant to be governed. Or maybe there's a natural evolution that should be taking place, but isn't because there's just so much damn conflict.

But I suppose one big superpower won't exactly eliminate conflict.

Anyway, back on topic.
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Post by Guest Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:42 pm

@El Chelsea Fuerte wrote:
Betty La Fea wrote:Doctor stepped out of bounds with this. Will make it harder for religious people to trust vaccinations which are needed now.

Why religious people in particular? If you aren't a terrorist, the USA probably doesn't want to kill you and thus you don't have to fear giving anything away as a result of vaccination.

US kills indiscriminately so you dont want to be anywhere you think the US will be.

Doctors are all suspicious now because of this, and it has caused more problems for true doctors in organizations to help people.

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