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Post by Yuri Yukuv Mon May 21, 2012 2:26 pm

What will it be? A title for the energized Atheltic Club and Zeru Tituli for Barca or will it be business as usual for guardiolas men?

Anyone got an injury list? Will villa be able to play?

May 25th (IIRC)
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Post by the xcx Mon May 21, 2012 2:35 pm

Cules, I just cant see them losing against Bilbao.
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Post by Rebaño Sagrado Mon May 21, 2012 2:53 pm

Can't see Pep losing his last match...
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Post by Doc Mon May 21, 2012 3:10 pm

Just to clarify, Barcelona has a CWC title to their name so it isn't "zero tituli" for them. And no, I don't count the Super Cups as credible titles...
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Post by Dante Mon May 21, 2012 3:12 pm

It won't be a walk in the park for Barcelona either .

Having said that , it's so difficult not to predict Barcelona after so many finals won in the last 4 years . Combine the Del Rey is the only title Barcelona are still in and Pep's last match with Barcelona and the Cules have 2 big addiotional motives to win this final . Also , Messi .

All roads lead to Barcelona :coffee:

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Post by Yuri Yukuv Mon May 21, 2012 3:12 pm

Doc wrote:Just to clarify, Barcelona has a CWC title to their name so it isn't "zero tituli" for them. And no, I don't count the Super Cups as credible titles...

But Doc if CWC counted towards the season it is won in, how did barca win a sextuple in that one season?

I seem to be always confused by this
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Post by Doc Mon May 21, 2012 4:17 pm

Yuri, I always assumed the sextuple wasn't for the season but for winning six trophies within the space of one year. The CWC would count as this season as it is won within the context of this season.

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Post by paperbackwriter Mon May 21, 2012 4:21 pm

I've always considered the supercups and CWC as a part of the past season and not the new one.

So in my opinion, Barcas sextuple was legit. While Barca this season have zero titles so far.
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Post by Harmonica Mon May 21, 2012 4:35 pm

Yes and Chelsea won UCL 10-11, because they qualified last season. :facepalm:
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Post by Yuri Yukuv Mon May 21, 2012 4:40 pm

But isnt CWC just a supercup of different organizations? I mean there isnt even group stages or points
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Post by la bestia negra Mon May 21, 2012 4:45 pm

gettttt innnnnnnnnnn basque cheers
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Post by paperbackwriter Mon May 21, 2012 4:48 pm

jiopsi wrote:Yes and Chelsea won UCL 10-11, because they qualified last season. :facepalm:

With that logic there have never been multiple seasons played anywhere. The 2011-12 La Liga season is part of the 2010-11 season since the teams qualified during that season...

:facepalm:

Either way, you can't have it both ways. If you consider the CWC and Spanish Supercup that Barcelona won last year part of the 2011-12 season. Then you don't consider what Barca did in 08-09 as a sixtuple. A real sixtuple in that case would be: Winning CWC, European Supercup and national Supercup and then later during the next spring winning the league, cup and CL.

Meaning you would have to win a consecutive CL and League to be able to complete it.
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Post by Harmonica Mon May 21, 2012 4:53 pm

The sextuple was won within a year, so it is a yearly sextuple. Supercopa, European Super Cup and Fifa Club World Cup were played this season and directly affects other competitions during this season, not last season. So it's rather logical to say they are played in a season they are played.
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Post by paperbackwriter Mon May 21, 2012 5:00 pm

Ok, you just managed to make no sense at all.

It's a straight question: Either Barca won a sextuple in 2008-09 while they didn't win any titles in 2011-12 (yet). Or they didn't win a sextuple in 2008-09, but won two titles in 2011-12. How do you want it?

You Can't Have It Both Ways....
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Post by Doc Mon May 21, 2012 5:03 pm

I'm just curious, is the sextuple meant for the season or just a cute way of saying winning 6 trophies in a year?!
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Post by Harmonica Mon May 21, 2012 5:05 pm

Barca didn't win sextuple in 2008-2009, and they have 3 titles already this season, 2011-2012. However Barca won 6 titles in year 2009.
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Post by kiranr Mon May 21, 2012 5:06 pm

A sextuple would mean you won all the competitions you qualified for in that season.
So can't really say whether we won anything this season as they were related to the competitions last season.
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Post by Harmonica Mon May 21, 2012 5:07 pm

Doc wrote:I'm just curious, is the sextuple meant for the season or just a cute way of saying winning 6 trophies in a year?!
Sextuple isn't defined, you can win 6 trophies in a year or in a season.
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Post by paperbackwriter Mon May 21, 2012 5:10 pm

Ok, so no sextuple then without making up new ways of seeing it like "well yeah it was 6 titles in 2009".

A real sextuple should thus be:

Winning the CL and League/Cup to qualify for all the supercups for next season in season X and then winning those supercups in season y while also winning a treble later during the season.

Do every other cule agree with this assessment?
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Post by paperbackwriter Mon May 21, 2012 5:13 pm

jiopsi wrote:
Doc wrote:I'm just curious, is the sextuple meant for the season or just a cute way of saying winning 6 trophies in a year?!
Sextuple isn't defined, you can win 6 trophies in a year or in a season.

Wait, what? Didn't we just define it?
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Post by paperbackwriter Mon May 21, 2012 5:14 pm

Also I know this is important for you jiopsi, because one part of you want to claim the sextuple. But another part of you want it to be "Messi won 4 titles in 2011-12 while Ronaldo won 1".
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Post by the xcx Mon May 21, 2012 5:15 pm

2008-2009 goes as a campaign, I understand that some of trophies are won at later times because of scheduling but they all go to prev. competitions like the CWC to UCL and supercups to CDR.
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Post by Harmonica Mon May 21, 2012 5:16 pm

paperbackwriter wrote:
jiopsi wrote:
Doc wrote:I'm just curious, is the sextuple meant for the season or just a cute way of saying winning 6 trophies in a year?!
Sextuple isn't defined, you can win 6 trophies in a year or in a season.

Wait, what? Didn't we just define it?
Yeah, I will also now define gl-illogic: paperbackwriter.
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Post by Swanhends Mon May 21, 2012 5:19 pm

Definitely looks like a sextuple, and then nothing (so far) for me

I would never claim Inter won 3 titles last year because we won the Italian SuperCup and CWC... those were a continuation of the previous season, the Coppa Italia was our only trophy last season
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Post by Harmonica Mon May 21, 2012 5:22 pm

BhritanniaBhlue wrote:Definitely looks like a sextuple, and then nothing (so far) for me

I would never claim Inter won 3 titles last year because we won the Italian SuperCup and CWC... those were a continuation of the previous season, the Coppa Italia was our only trophy last season
Would you claim Inter won UCL in 09-10?
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